Too Many Turbos for Too Much $$$$

[red4G63T]

I never said the T28 is a great turbo, but it isn't a POS.

It spools quick, is a direct bolt on, and makes one hell of a street turbo.

Regardless, I neither have, nor care about SR20's.

 

[ISUJakey]

sounds a little too good to be true for a t28

You're entertaining, really, you are. Why don't you go ahead and call up Forced Performance, even ask for Robert directly, and then start questioning the facts from their website?

 

[deusxmachina]

If you don't want ($) an FP turbo, just get a 20g or a 50trim or maybe a 60trim. The 35 Holset is as big or bigger than a 60trim. That's a BIG turbo. And when you add up the current "buy the turbine, buy the wastegate, blah blah blah," it pretty much adds up to a new 50trim anyway. I really don't know why people are buying that stuff with T04b covers and 270-degree thrust bearings. I wouldn't spend even $100 on a turbo with a 270 thrust bearing since it's not worth $100 to spend my time swapping the thing out when it breaks.

 

[CodeMonkey]

So now I need some help with specifics. I've been looking for a turbo capable of flowing 44 lbs or 500 hp.

If you've read the tuning guide you'll notice it only details mods up to 400hp. There's a reason for that; making 500hp isn't easy and it'll probably be a long time (and a lot of money) before you're there.

From your profile I notice you just bought an AEM EMS, I hope you have a good tuner shop nearby and deep pockets. It's not easy to setup. Here's what I'd suggest if I were you:

Return AEM
Buy Walbro 255 fuel pump
Buy DSMLink
Buy 780cc injectors
Buy big front mount intercooler AMS or slowboy or somebody
Buy PTE 50 trim

Try for 400hp first....

 

[DBR01]

Your plans are 500hp but you dont wanna spend no more than 1200 bucks?

You dont simply put a turbo on and put down 500hp. You are gonna need a lot more than that and lots of money.

This is a *Virtual bi*** Slap* If you read the post and mods that I have written down you will see that I'm not trying to get 500hp by just throwing on a turbo. I already estimate 380hp tuned. I only need another 100hp or so and I'll be good for a while. PLEASE READ BEFORE REPLYING!

If you've read the tuning guide you'll notice it only details mods up to 400hp. There's a reason for that; making 500hp isn't easy and it'll probably be a long time (and a lot of money) before you're there.

From your profile I notice you just bought an AEM EMS, I hope you have a good tuner shop nearby and deep pockets. It's not easy to setup. Here's what I'd suggest if I were you:

Return AEM
Buy Walbro 255 fuel pump
Buy DSMLink
Buy 780cc injectors
Buy big front mount intercooler AMS or slowboy or somebody
Buy PTE 50 trim

Try for 400hp first....

Okay, here's the deal. I'm not new to engines by any means, I started working in my Dad's speed shop when I was 15. I am however new to DSMs. The principle that you should start out low and build your way up is STUPID. Any motor, when built right the first time, that is capable of big hp will ALWAYS be capable of big hp. Therefore, if you build it right you're just wasting both time and money by starting off at low hp. And I'm sorry but I left out that I already have a Walbro 255. Lastly, I'm a trend setter not a follower of any kind. I would rather get an EMS unit than a DSM Link because everyone's got the DSM Link. And in my opinion its a bandaid over an open chest cavity. And yes I have a good tuning shop, MY OWN! A shop would have to pay me to let them touch my machinery.

 

[CodeMonkey]

This is a *Virtual bi*** Slap* If you read the post and mods that I have written down you will see that I'm not trying to get 500hp by just throwing on a turbo. I already estimate 380hp tuned. I only need another 100hp or so and I'll be good for a while. PLEASE READ BEFORE REPLYING!

You didn't say anything about 380hp in your previous mails and your profile doesn't mention it either. People are responding to you as though you don't have a clue because you're asking the wrong questions & not providing enough information.

What shot of nitrous are you using?
Do you want 500hp on N2O or off?
You still have stock injectors?
What are your goals for the car? (Do you care about drivability?)

 

[DBR01]

What shot of nitrous are you using?
Do you want 500hp on N2O or off?
You still have stock injectors?
What are your goals for the car? (Do you care about drivability?)

Nitrous: Currently Disabled, setup for 25 shot dry and 50 shot wet
On/OFF N2O: I'm looking for 500hp off N2O
Stock Injectors: Stock are on now, 550cc where in but that idea was scrapped with the Fuelporter idea
Goals/Drivability: Don't laugh!! Street/Strip, the car is setup for Auto-X but focus has shifted. Yes, 500+ whp is alot for a "street" setup but that's why I'm doing it. And "smog" is of no concern to me.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Nitrous: Currently Disabled, setup for 25 shot dry and 50 shot wet
On/OFF N2O: I'm looking for 500hp off N2O
Stock Injectors: Stock are on now, 550cc where in but that idea was scrapped with the Fuelporter idea
Goals/Drivability: Don't laugh!! Street/Strip, the car is setup for Auto-X but focus has shifted. Yes, 500+ whp is alot for a "street" setup but that's why I'm doing it. And "smog" is of no concern to me.

OK, so you're making 380hp on a t25 with stock injuectors and no nitrous?

 

[DBR01]

OK, so you're making 380hp on a t25 with stock injuectors and no nitrous?

Ok, dude. If you don't have anything related to my question then don't post! No I'm not making 380 on stock injectors. And I estimated 380 so don't turn "guess"timate into true dyno. And yes my "guess"timates are usually within 20 or so hp.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Ok, dude. If you don't have anything related to my question then don't post! No I'm not making 380 on stock injectors. And I estimated 380 so don't turn "guess"timate into true dyno. And yes my "guess"timates are usually within 20 or so hp.

My reply is completely relevant. Not only are you not making 380hp, you're not making 280hp and you've wasted enough pepole's time.

List your _real mods_ that you have on your car and stop trying to impress people with fake numbers.

 

[DBR01]

Not only are you not making 380hp, you're not making 280hp and you've wasted enough pepole's time.

List your _real mods_ that you have on your car and stop trying to impress people with fake numbers.

Ok Mr."I just got my license and my daddy bought me this car" I've been in the business of racing probably longer than you've been able to feed yourself. I know what I've got. And who in the hell am I trying to impress. I'm asking for feedback not for people to bow down and worship me. List my real mods? What do you want my reciepts and photos? You're like my insurance agent.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Ok Mr."I just got my license and my daddy bought me this car" I've been in the business of racing probably longer than you've been able to feed yourself. I know what I've got. And who in the hell am I trying to impress. I'm asking for feedback not for people to bow down and worship me. List my real mods? What do you want my reciepts and photos? You're like my insurance agent.

Here's a quote from the Background section of your public profile:

kind of jumped straight into the racing and auto-x world about 2 years ago and never looked back

Dude you're such a tool....

 

[m1nd64m3]

sounds like you have a pretty poorly setup car. your talking about an aem ems when you have a 3 inch downpipe on your wishlist in your profile? i dont think you know what your talking about or what your doing when it comes to dsm's, sounds like your just throwing parts at the car and hoping they make power.

 

[LandoAWD]

The bickering and pissing stops HERE or vacations will be handed out.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

More research is needed

P.S. besides FP name someone else who has gone 11's on a T-28 in a DSM.

 

[Ronin17]

Lastly, I'm a trend setter not a follower of any kind. I would rather get an EMS unit than a DSM Link because everyone's got the DSM Link. And in my opinion its a bandaid over an open chest cavity. And yes I have a good tuning shop, MY OWN! A shop would have to pay me to let them touch my machinery.

There's a reason a lot of people have DSMLink, cause it works.

Trend setter? Your joking with that statement right? A big turbo ,a EMS, and dreams of 500hp isn't exactly on the unbeaten path.

Personally, I would just do it right the first time and get something proven like a FP3052 or a nice 50-trim setup. Hell, call up some shops (FP, AGP, AMS, etc) and ask them what they think would be a good setup for your goals, maybe they can even get something within your budget.

Ok, dude. If you don't have anything related to my question then don't post! No I'm not making 380 on stock injectors. And I estimated 380 so don't turn "guess"timate into true dyno. And yes my "guess"timates are usually within 20 or so hp.

That's one hell of a talent. WTF

 

[DBR01]

Here's a quote from the Background section of your public profile:

kind of jumped straight into the racing and auto-x world about 2 years ago and never looked back

Dude you're such a tool....

Tell you what. Since you know what you're talking about, why don't you take a 30 min drive up the 15 and stop by my garage. After you take a look at my setup, maybe you can put all this "fake" "liar" stuff behind us. Let me know if you're up for it and I'll pm you my addy and a time I'll be there. Sorry if I got a little heated, but I just feel like some of the post I get or read are just people trying to up their post counts.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Tell you what. Since you know what you're talking about, why don't you take a 30 min drive up the 15 and stop by my garage. After you take a look at my setup, maybe you can put all this "fake" "liar" stuff behind us. Let me know if you're up for it and I'll pm you my addy and a time I'll be there. Sorry if I got a little heated, but I just feel like some of the post I get or read are just people trying to up their post counts.

You wouldn't happen to have a timeslip would you? Just curious....

Just to get this back on track I reccomend something huge like a FP3052 if you want 500whp all turbo. You'll also need a tranny rebuild at some point but you might as well wait for the current one to break....

You should get your nitrous setup working, it will make the task much easier....

 

[defrag010]

If you don't want ($) an FP turbo, just get a 20g or a 50trim or maybe a 60trim. The 35 Holset is as big or bigger than a 60trim. That's a BIG turbo. And when you add up the current "buy the turbine, buy the wastegate, blah blah blah," it pretty much adds up to a new 50trim anyway.

Not really, The internal gate turbine housing is 220$, and you can get a H1C or HX35 for 100-150$. That's ALOT cheaper than a 50 trim.

 

[heavyD]

More research is needed

P.S. besides FP name someone else who has gone 11's on a T-28 in a DSM.

According to some of the threads I read at dsmtuners.com there are lots but the only proof is the FP one which seems to be a freak.

 

[DBR01]

You wouldn't happen to have a timeslip would you? Just curious....

Just to get this back on track I reccomend something huge like a FP3052 if you want 500whp all turbo. You'll also need a tranny rebuild at some point but you might as well wait for the current one to break....

You should get your nitrous setup working, it will make the task much easier....

No, no time slip. This car has never made it to any legitimate track event of any kind. It's been through the Vegas I-15 a couple of times, the Ortega Downhill & Uphill, and a few other local drives but other than that no track. Yes, I know a time slip would save me a few arguments and the first chance I get I'll go to one and then possibly a dyno.

Yeh, I was looking at the FP3065 but it's gonna cost me $2500 for the setup. I'm leaning more towards the RS60T. The whole setup will be $1000.

I've heard good things about Dogmissions but I'm not going to explore those options until the OEM breaks. I should be good with the OEM since the big turbos don't really stress the tranny as much as superchargers do to the increase in hp and not torque.

 

[CodeMonkey]

I've heard good things about Dogmissions but I'm not going to explore those options until the OEM breaks. I should be good with the OEM since the big turbos don't really stress the tranny as much as superchargers do to the increase in hp and not torque.

AWD is brutal on trannys due to the difficulty of getting wheelspin. In a 2wd car your tires will spin on a hard launch saving stress on the tranny.

Also, big turbos create tons of torque too... After all HP is always equal to torque at 5250rpm.

But of course I'm sure you already knew that

 

[DSM-ZERO]

If you don't want ($) an FP turbo, just get a 20g or a 50trim or maybe a 60trim. The 35 Holset is as big or bigger than a 60trim. That's a BIG turbo. And when you add up the current "buy the turbine, buy the wastegate, blah blah blah," it pretty much adds up to a new 50trim anyway. I really don't know why people are buying that stuff with T04b covers and 270-degree thrust bearings. I wouldn't spend even $100 on a turbo with a 270 thrust bearing since it's not worth $100 to spend my time swapping the thing out when it breaks.

BIG THANK YOU.....EXACTLY

 

[DSM-ZERO]

More research is needed

P.S. besides FP name someone else who has gone 11's on a T-28 in a DSM.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?u=34436

it's a T-25

 

[Syndicate13]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?u=34436

it's a T-25

You are a moron.

It's a nitrous car and weighs nothing. FP claims to have went 11.82@119 in a full weight 99 GSX, a feat that no one else has seemed to duplicate.