This is the worst case scenario isnt it?

[red_gsx]

just wanting to confirm what im pretty sure i already know. i got in my car today and tried to start my car and it tried then died. all the electrical (radio, lights, etc) is good but the clutch is to the floor and does not come up. the crank walked didnt it?

 

[SlowChild3]

From what I understand the car can still run with crankwalk. Could be many things wrong.

 

[Fayt]

Crankwalk, or "the walking crankshaft", happens when the crankshaft starts moving around its housing. This causes the crankshaft to, at some point or another, wear into the thrust bearing heavily. This will cause the crank to eventually move a plate that will smash into the crank angle sensor, break it, and shut the car down. Thus, it would not start up.

 

[92awddsm]

Check the slave cylinder and master cylinder for leakage. Mine did the same thing when the slave went out with no warning. Fine one day and the next morning, clutch stuck to the floor.

Generally with cw, the clutch will only stick to the floor on turns but will return when sitting still.

 

[red_gsx]

well guess i was wrong then. any clue what it could it be? also to clarify the engine makes no noise whatsoever. doesnt crank over or anything. the light runs when i turn the key but the block itself makes no attempt to wake up.

 

[92awddsm]

Crankwalk, or "the walking crankshaft", happens when the crankshaft starts moving around its housing. This causes the crankshaft to, at some point or another, wear into the thrust bearing heavily. This will cause the crank to eventually move a plate that will smash into the crank angle sensor, break it, and shut the car down. Thus, it would not start up.

Is this new news to you? No need to repeat it because it has been covered many many times. And the plate you speak of is actually attached to the front of the crank so it moves with the crank. The moving crank doesnt eventually cause it to move. This will cause the cps to be torn apart long before it gets to the point of the clutch pedal staying on the floor.

And the moving crank doesnt cause the wear on the thrust bearing. The wear on the thrust bearing is what causes the crank to start "walking" better know as lateral movement in the crankshaft.

 

[92awddsm]

well guess i was wrong then. any clue what it could it be? also to clarify the engine makes no noise whatsoever. doesnt crank over or anything. the light runs when i turn the key but the block itself makes no attempt to wake up.

Will the engine spin over with the starter or not? Not crank and run but just spin over?

 

[wolf20043]

if it wont turn over ,try to unplug the neutral saftey switch behind the clutch pedal.
Mike

 

[92awddsm]

My guess is if the clutch is stuck on the floor and it wont even spin the starter, check the bellhousing bolts. If they have worked themselves loose, the excess play will cause the clutch to not return and also one of the main ground wires is also attached with a bellhousing bolt. Also, check the signal wire going to the starter. It will be the smaller of the two wires that goes to the starter.

 

[SlowChild3]

Your first post you said it tried then died, so it did turn over and fired,...? Now you say it wont turn over and the started doesn't engage? IF thats the case I would rule out the starter and clutch switch. WHen my starter pops back into the housing it clangs around, I've read that if you clean it, it will stop, maybe thats a cause, check the voltage when turning the key to see if it pulling any amps.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

Coming from someone who has had c-walk, I can tell you that never happend to me... ever. Well, what you described did happen to me, but it was my slave cylinder. 92AWDDSM is more than likely right. Check those two things out asap.

 

[graf703]

starter solenoid?

 

[red_gsx]

first off thanks to all who responded. sorry about the crankwalk deal but all i could remember about at the time was reading about a stuck clutch when it came to crankwalk and i figured the worse.
i just went to the garage to check the car out. to my amazement it started up perfectly. the clutch is still stuck to the ground but it does start perfectly. now a while back i went to pep boys because my clutch fluid was almost empty. the guy at the counter said they had an actual "clutch fluid". (i thought that dot 3 brake fluid was supposed to be used?) i filled up with the clutch fluid. im just wondering if that could contribute to the problem or you guys think its something else? again i apologize for the brain farts on my part and thanks in advance to those who respond

 

[red_gsx]

i just look at my clutch fluid reservoir and its about halfway down. i filled it up about 4 days ago. does this make a difference with anything? as soon as someone get home I'm going to bleed to the slave cylinder and see if that could make a difference. Ive also looked on ebay to get prices on both the master and slave clutch cylinders and of course read up in the Haynes a little on how to do both. am i going about all this the right way or whats going?

 

[Julia]

sounds like you have a good sized leak somewhere if it lost that much in 4 days. I would follow all the lines and see if you could find a drip somewhere.
Julia

And it actually sounds like you are on the right track. If bleeding it does not help, then try the new ones.( but the leak could also be in the seals)

 

[red_gsx]

well i was just about to bleed them but i looked at both the cylinders first. the slave cylinder has a leak. i can see the fluid coming out of the rubber piece where it meets the metal. also i checked inside the car by the clutch pedal. the little part that goes into the enginebay has some fluid around it as well. im going to purchase both the cylinders new on ebay tonight. is there anything else i need to be considering that i forgot about?

 

[Julia]

well i was just about to bleed them but i looked at both the cylinders first. the slave cylinder has a leak. i can see the fluid coming out of the rubber piece where it meets the metal. also i checked inside the car by the clutch pedal. the little part that goes into the enginebay has some fluid around it as well. im going to purchase both the cylinders new on ebay tonight. is there anything else i need to be considering that i forgot about?

sounds like you have it covered.If it dont fix it chime back and let us know.
good luck,
Julia

 

[red_gsx]

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded. I replaced both of my cylinders yesterday and am now trying to adjust my clutch because it is engaging right off the floor. Did not need to post for that one, just did a search. Thanks again to you all