Stuck on the side of the road.[CV Joint/Carrier Bearing separated from Axle]

[AngelOfPassion]

In the Rain none the less.

Somehow while driving on the freeway the shaft that connects to the cv boot got dislodged from its place. It's on the drivers side. The boot is in tact and connected to its place by the tire but the part that goes toward the center of the vehicle is disconnected. I

I can see where it's supposed to go but I can't get it to contract enough to fit it back into place. It looks like it just slides back where it is supposed to...

Is the car at least driveable like this to get home to my tools or is there a trick to get it back into place with the car on the ground still?

Just get me home and then we will figure out what happened later...

 

[Cdc1221]

Dude sorry to hear that. Sounds like your cv axle is eperated and really the only thing you can do is replace it. I know thats not what you wanted to hear. Hope you can figure out how to get it home...

 

[AngelOfPassion]

What would be the negatives of driving it? All its doing is rubbing a little because the shaft is touching the gear looking part that it connects to. But the control arms are fine and everything else looks good.

Can I baby it home?

 

[WES_393]

If it will still go forward, I would limp it home. But I agree, it sounds like the CV joint somehow separated.

 

[AngelOfPassion]

Yeah it moves/steers fine. Essentially I am just going 3 wheel drive right?

 

[WES_393]

If its detached from the hub. If the boots aren't torn, I doubt the axle has completely separated. Maybe the carrier bearing just came loose. So yeah, you should be fine to drive it like a grandma.

 

[Cdc1221]

Eh more like rear wheel. Hmm thought if a front axle broke, you lost power to the rear on an awd. Good to know. Glad youre not stuck on the side of the road. Towing fees suck

 

[WES_393]

^ Well, with a viscous center diff it shouldn't stop the car from moving. You just have to worry about damaging the diff itself. The FWD guys are completely immobile once and an axle breaks, the open diff sends all the power to the broken shaft.

 

[undefined0000]

^ Well, with a viscous center diff it shouldn't stop the car from moving. You just have to worry about damaging the diff itself. The FWD guys are completely immobile once and an axle breaks, the open diff sends all the power to the broken shaft.

Just out of curiosity, how would a welded center diff behave in this situation? The FWD situation seems kinda bass akwards .

 

[AngelOfPassion]

Edit: How the hell does this happen in the middle of driving anyways?

Just got home. Thanks guys. I appreciate the fast response saying it was at least somewhat driveable...

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[pauleyman]

Either that axle wasn't fully seated or it's the wrong axle. 1g and 2g are different length, don't remember which one is which. Worth investigating.

 

[WES_393]

Just out of curiosity, how would a welded center diff behave in this situation? The FWD situation seems kinda bass akwards .

A welded center diff would do better in terms of drivability. The torque split is a constant 50/50 under all conditions. So there's obviously no concern about damaging the center diff since there's no VC and no slip. And yes, whoever invented LSD also thought the standard open diff was something that could be greatly improved.

OP- The axle somehow separated from the carrier bearing. It looks like the C-clip is missing, which could explain it. Where it went is a mystery though.

 

[n0de]

A welded center diff would do better in terms of drivability. The torque split is a constant 50/50 under all conditions. So there's obviously no concern about damaging the center diff since there's no VC and no slip. And yes, whoever invented LSD also thought the standard open diff was something that could be greatly improved.

OP- The axle somehow separated from the carrier bearing. It looks like the C-clip is missing, which could explain it. Where it went is a mystery though.

Yeah but im curious to know how it even got enough clearance to back itself off of the half shaft. Every time I've removed/installed a trans, the clearance has been super tight to where this seems nearly impossible.

 

[undefined0000]

Looks like someone made the gods angry. Use any Ebay parts lately?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

What brand axel?

 

[AngelOfPassion]

Actually the axle, cv joint, tie rods, and everything down there on both sides are completely new. But I've been driving on it for a month or so with no issues. (until now obviously )

I called my mechanic this morning and he said he would fix it with no trouble. I'll check my invoice when I get home to get the part number for the axle and cv joint that was used. Maybe he used one for a GS-T or a 1G .

Anything else that could have been damaged as a result of this/driving it like this that I should have them claim responsibility for?

I'm also curious about what Node said. How the hell it got clearance to back itself out like that. I crawled under the car last night and tried to pull it back as hard as I could to get it back in place and it wouldn't budge...

 

[WES_393]

Yeah but im curious to know how it even got enough clearance to back itself off of the half shaft. Every time I've removed/installed a trans, the clearance has been super tight to where this seems nearly impossible.

I'm honestly as lost as you. That is some very tight clearance. Maybe a MIA c-clip mixed with a fully-extended left turn? That could put some pull on the joint, and without a clip, the axle couldn't hold itself together. The CV shafts have the ability to move in/out a few inches to allow the axle to extend/contract a little. But you may not be able to do it by hand while under the car, which makes it seem like it's too far/close to fit on the splines. However, I can't remember if the sliding joint is on the inside or outside on the driver side...

So it's pure speculation. To solve the problem completely, I'd personally replace the entire axle and carrier along with a new clip. Either that or seriously look into what brand the part is and what model it's truly intended for. If it's a Master Pro from Oreilly, I wouldn't put it back in.

 

[n0de]

Actually the axle, cv joint, tie rods, and everything down there on both sides are completely new. But I've been driving on it for a month or so with no issues. (until now obviously )

I called my mechanic this morning and he said he would fix it with no trouble. I'll check my invoice when I get home to get the part number for the axle and cv joint that was used. Maybe he used one for a GS-T or a 1G .

Anything else that could have been damaged as a result of this/driving it like this that I should have them claim responsibility for?

I'm also curious about what Node said. How the hell it got clearance to back itself out like that. I crawled under the car last night and tried to pull it back as hard as I could to get it back in place and it wouldn't budge...

Shit. If that ever happened to me, the only other damage I could see is the damage to my absolute faith in the car and that it wouldn't try to kill me in the future. Bro, if i were you, I would get enlightened real quick and learn the mechanics about the car, because the way that I understand it there would have to have been a lot more things taken loose to even get that half shaft to pop all the way out like that.

Take your tire off and see if you notice any nuts/bolts missing around the hub assembly, tie-rod end or control arms. Snap some pictures for us if you find something.

I could be wrong, if i am then I would love for someone to correct me.

I'm honestly as lost as you. That is some very tight clearance. Maybe a MIA c-clip mixed with a fully-extended left turn? That could put some pull on the joint, and without a clip, the axle couldn't hold itself together. The CV shafts have the ability to move in/out a few inches to allow the axle to extend/contract a little. But you may not be able to do it by hand while under the car, which makes it seem like it's too far/close to fit on the splines. However, I can't remember if the sliding joint is on the inside or outside on the driver side...

So it's pure speculation. To solve the problem completely, I'd personally replace the entire axle and carrier with a new clip. Either that or seriously look into what brand the part is and what model it's truly intended for. If it's a Master Pro from Oreilly, I wouldn't put it back in.

Good theory but i believe a c-clip would pop either way is goes if it was the only thing preventing the shaft from moving out that freely. Take a look at the other end of the shaft, its take a gigantic 32mm nut just to hold it on, I couldn't imagine a c-clip being the saving grace for holding in the other end unless there was some other force preventing the shaft some having that much in/out movement (Control arm).

I also agree to replacing the axle/carrier bearing. I'm also wondering if the mechanic that put this in for the OP installed the c-clip or did it pop off when it got pushed/pulled out of the half shaft.

 

[WES_393]

^ I agree with that as well. Check everything between the hub and transmission.

 

[AngelOfPassion]

Well I will add to your confusion that I was going perfectly straight on the freeway when it happened. It didn't happen during a turn.

I will have the shop look at everything from the hub to the tranny just like you guys said. He is a family friend that owns his own garage and has always done great work for all three of my cars. I've installed everything in my profile myself so I have some basic mechanical knowledge (I can just never remember what anything is called so I have to resort to "the thingy that goes to this thingy...").

He always uses quality parts and that's one of the reasons I trust him with the GSX. He never goes cheap and he always tells me the cheaper alternative before he buys the more expensive part.

I called him this morning and he said he had an issue with them sending him the wrong axle the first time and he had to send it back and then when he got the second one he pulled out the original one and compared them to make sure after double checking the order numbers. It was probably the wrong one again and it was too little a difference to notice...

But still. Even with the wrong part it shouldn't of backed out like that driving straight IMO so IDK...

 

[Seamus]

is it an oreillys axle? masterpro? I had problems with these a few months ago. Just turn the hub until you can slide it back toether. A little high strength loctite should make it hold. I've had the loctiute hold axles thaty liked to seperate together on 400+hp cars

 

[n0de]

IDK, if that happened to me it would certainly freak me out. Hopefully your family mechanic can figure out what caused this issue in the first place, when he does be sure to update this thread.

 

[AngelOfPassion]

is it an oreillys axle? masterpro? I had problems with these a few months ago. Just turn the hub until you can slide it back toether. A little high strength loctite should make it hold. I've had the loctiute hold axles thaty liked to seperate together on 400+hp cars

Not sure of the brand yet, I don't have the work invoice with me. I will check when I get home. Also, good info about the loctite for keeping the axle in place... But it shouldn't be needed in the first place so I think that is a band aid type fix for my car since I'm not anywhere near 400 hp...

IDK, if that happened to me it would certainly freak me out. Hopefully your family mechanic can figure out what caused this issue in the first place, when he does be sure to update this thread.

I will keep updates for you guys. Is there any way to change the thread title of this to: Stuck on the side of the road. [CV joint separated from Axle]

For search purposes. I wasn't thinking last night when I made the thread.

 

[n0de]

Not sure of the brand yet, I don't have the work invoice with me. I will check when I get home. Also, good info about the loctite for keeping the axle in place... But it shouldn't be needed in the first place so I think that is a band aid type fix for my car since I'm not anywhere near 400 hp...



I will keep updates for you guys. Is there any way to change the thread title of this to: Stuck on the side of the road. [CV joint separated from Axle]

For search purposes. I wasn't thinking last night when I made the thread.

Yes, you can go to edit your original post then just click "go advanced" and it will let you edit the title

 

[bcracecar]

Glad that there wasn't any serious damage there. The fact that it happened driving in a straight line has me baffled... Maybe they did send out the wrong axle again. As stated above, check everything from the transmission to the hub. Sounds like your mechanic is a trustworthy guy, so I'm sure he can figure it out. Sucks that this had to happen, especially in the rain! Keep us posted on what the verdict is.