stroker

[rcfball69]

i was wondering if on a nt, to go all motor would it help to also mke it a stroker, to pull the crank pistons and rods out of 4g64 galant to make my bottom power strong then butcher the crank to get strong rev to, also wouldn't those parts just bolt into my 4g63 bocl or would i need to get the whole block, and do they make higher comperssion pistons for the stroker kit or would i need to have them specially made

 

[t0ny007]

you can always buy a stroker kit... but if you do a stroker kit you should do some work to the head obviously....

 

[rcfball69]

well i planned on that but would it be better to go with the normal 4g63 internals or go with a stroker for my all motor project

 

[nightspeed87]

yes it would help you make more power even on an n/t if you stroke it, just look for some high comp pistons to go with that... Since you have a 4g63 a lot of the upgrade turbo parts are still interchangeable, but for the money it takes to stroke it, just consider you could use that money to even bolt up a stock 1g dsm 14b turbo set up and run about 7 or 8 lbs ( supposeing you didnt have the money to change to lower comp pistons, and also supposeing your engine is in good enough condition, and supposing you or someone working on your engine was mechanically inclined enough to pull it off. ) youd get a lot more power that way and have much more potiential, but if your bent on going all motor, then yea stroking, high comp pistons, cam gears ful head upgrades etc could satisfy your goals and maybe ( i said maybe, if done right and tuned ) could net you about 200-250 whp tops on a all motor set up ( without nitrous that is )...

 

[rcfball69]

hey thanks man sounds good, see for me it would be cheaper to stroke it because my buddy has an old 4g64 galant that he is junking that the rods and crank are still in great shape so i am going to get them from him for a cheap price, and as for staying all motor just want to cause thats what me and my frineds like and plus i want to see if i could put enough horses to the road to beat my friends all motor integra

 

[rcfball69]

to stay on my topic anybody have any other suggestions on which way to with my all motor project other then stroker bottom end, and where to get high compression pistons for it

 

[NewTurboTuner]

Dont forget Ported Heads, and cams. Also ANY other porting that can be done will help alot. Porting will help more on a Naturally Asperated motor, than it would with a Forced Induction motor.

If you really want to make a N/A Engine go fast..... Add a Turbo!

I wouldnt waste my time with a N/A 4clyinder motor.
You would spend a ton of money, and it still wouldnt be all that powerful.
~You could have THE BEST N/A 2.0L motor that makes 260hp for $15000.
~Or you can have a really awesome turbo 2.0l motor that makes 500hp for $10,000.

The N/A motor will be more expensive than the turbo motor, because you will need every little top dollar part ....just to squease out a little more hp.

Unless you are racing in a specific race class where only N/A motors can be run.... forget the N/A motor idea..... go with a turbo motor.

I agree with nightspeed87.
Take that stroker money, and add turbo instead!
That will give you much more power for a cheaper price

 

[rcfball69]

ok but see the thing is i can build an engine myself but i have no knowledge what so ever on turbos how to run them how to install them and i dont want to pay a shop out the ass to install it ya know, everything else on an engine i can do myself except balancing and maching, but i did not plan on buying a stroker kit, just the parts from the galant to make a stroker

 

[rcfball69]

yea i do want to stay all motor because it seems so hard to turbo a n/a cause you have hack your wiring harness and i dont know if thats legal, because the car still has to be my daily driver, and plus i want to be able to hang wit my buddys b20 integra all done up all motor or if i am lucky beat it

 

[NewTurboTuner]

I think you'd have more problems passing a smog test if you went with the stoker motor. A stoker motor burns more gas all the time. A turbo does not kick in until it is under load. Otherwise, it runs like a N/A motor. When I do smog testing I never see boost.

I too am new to Turbo's, but have experience with N/A motors. I can see what you mean. If you dont have anyone to help with the turbo build. Thats tough. I wouldnt want a shop to install a turbo either. thats too much$$$

however you decide to go ...good luck to ya!

 

[VicBoost]

Agreed with everyone says why would you put money on a non turbo stroker engine . Just invest and turbo the car and stroke it. Spend 10g's get 260hp or spend 10g's and get 500hp.... you do the math......

 

[nightspeed87]

Well in my 2cents whether you stay all motor or not it would be a good idea to stroke it anyways.... So then if one day you eventually did get the umph to go turbo you would have a bad ass 2.4 turbo charged motor pulling on the average dsm guy...
Id say just get the 2.4 done since you have that option available, and maybe consider nitrous for the time being while your all motor ( but look into that thorough because nitrous could ruin everything, ) and it is something that I dont mess with.... ( at least not yet... ) And maybe just run the stock 2.4 piston set up for the time being to keep cost down initially unless you can find some higher comp pistons for cheap... You will definitly have to read up on doing the 2.4 swap and what all is required and Id say a fully built head would be recommened....

Say if you are staying all motor then this may help-
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12064


and if you were just even a " little " bit curious about going turbo; here-
http://www.angelfire.com/il2/freestyle/turboconversion.html
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205307
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55457
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100677
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5986
( in one of these threads it talks about retaining the n/t tranny, but once you start making 50 to 100 whp over stock, I have heard horror stories upon doing so without upgrading the tranny itself... Well at least in a 5speed, a guy with an automatic who did the swap told me his tranny has been fine...)

Going turbo isnt so hard as everyone thinks, theres a handful of guys who started out as n/ts on this forum who have done it and havent had any problems, and are running as good as a gst/gsx from the factory... If this makes you feel any better my dsm used to be a 2.0 n/t also, and I made it turbo, and then now Im doing a full 6bolt gst motor swap instead of having the turbo n/t motor ( which i sold) The hardest part is getting the accesories needed to pull it off, but wiring in the extra wires isnt too much harder than hooking up a sterio system in your car, and with everything in place and ran correctly your car is essentially no different than a gst from factory. ( Luckily my tuner is an expert dsmer and he is in the process of building up my 6bolt right now and he also helped me with everything else and i got lucky and found my 6bolt motor and tranny, for 500 with a brand new 14b on it, and all other turbo items. And ive spent about 6 to 7 hundred in rebuilding, and hopping it up, so ( yea it can sound pricey ) but this has been under the process of 6 months so it wasnt so bad.
Just a little info for you, but def go stroker no matter what if you got a 4g64 avail... good luck in your decision...

 

[rcfball69]

ok i know i am going to stay all motor but my next question is what year galant and should it be a dohc motor, and if anybody knows who makes high comprssion pistons for the stroker kit like 11:1 so i don't have to run race gas just 91 octane pump gas

 

[NewTurboTuner]

The higher compression ratio you go... the more likely you will need race gas. If you stay lower, you wont need it.

Also I was going to suggest nitrous too.
Nitrous will not mess-up your car it you tune it. If you don't tune it it will give you problems. THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS A TURBO.... You must tune the system. I have had nitrous on 4 different cars from 4-bangers to V8's. I always tuned it, and NEVER had a single problem. My cars/trucks have loved it! ...I'll be juicing my TSi too

 

[rcfball69]

well i plan on tuneing it but i dont want to use nitrous at all, but my question was what car should i pull the 4g64 block out of or g4cs which ever works better and i need a 6 bolt that will bolt right up to my tranny so i could just clean the block and parts and drop it right in, or what i would need to be done

 

[rcfball69]

well i read somewhere that i could bolt up the bottom block to my head and it would turn the compression to 10:1 to 11:1 somewhere in that range, i changed my mind to get that to work i just need to know what car and which block would give me that and to see if i would have to modify the block or not, and what extra parts i would need to make it work

 

[nightspeed87]

im sure it will be more work in a 95 or later galant because those are set up more like the 95-99 eclipses, and you have a 1g correct? Im not sure how the ecu wiring and sensory set up will be, and consider enforcing motor mounts because this block will weigh more...Check out this link for your motor mounts,
http://www.raktron.com/misc/mt.htm
but yes it has been done that ppl use their 4g63 dohc heads which would be the best option if money permits. ( I believe the 4g64s are sohc, because my friends 95 galant 2.4 was single ) You will have to customize the head to fit the block though, and if the higher compression you was talking about bothers you then just put lower compression pistons to knock it back down somewhere in the 9s... But higher compression will allow for a little more power in a all motor set up, ( thats what hondas do, 10:5, to even 11:1 compression ) just add more fuel with that and log it and you should be ok~!

 

[rcfball69]

yea i want the higher compression for more power, so do your know of any of the 4g64 blocks that bolt up without any modification, none that i would have to have a shop do, and would that block bolt right into my stock motor mounts or would i have to customize some or just but stronger ones?