Starter Relay?

[XiKeiyaZI]

So I recently got my GSX up and running, and it's actually running quite nicely so far... but I'm having one issue...The damned starter relay.

When I was first trying to start the vehicle, I'd kick the key over and it'd click like it wasn't getting a good ground. I'd do that a few times and it'd crank. When I finally got it started, I drove it for a few miles and came back and it wouldn't start again. The lights dimed like it was transfering power, I heard a click from under the steering wheel, and nothing. I checked the starter, the battery, everything. I got fed up and pulled all three of the relays from under the steering wheel and swapped them with those in my Talon.

Turned the key, fired right up.

Now it's doing it again. I took it for a several mile drive before I do my oil change... parked it. Went to start it shortly after, and nothing. I was able to roll it backwards and pop the clutch and it fired right up, but the damned ignition will NOT kick the starter over.

WHY would I be blowing relays like this?

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

It sounds like you have a dead/dying battery to me. Maybe the relays from your other car didn't fix the problem, but instead bought you enough time for the battery to save up enough energy to start the car. Is your battery fully charged? Is your alternator putting out good voltage when the engine is running?

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Battery is brand new. Even hooked up Jumper cables to a truck so I could assure my friend that his theory of the same was false. Battery has full charge and Alternator is putting out perfect voltage. It is also new.

There is plenty of power all over. I have tried all of the basics. Even swapped in another battery for further assurance. All I know is that it did the same thing before, I drove it, then it wouldn't start. I swapped in those 3 relays as I couldn't remember which was relative to the starter, and it fired right up when I turned the key.

Now it's doing it again. As it sits... I'm going to have to carry at least 2 spare relays on me at all times. -.-;;

NOTE : All Fuses are fine. Even those in the little cell that attatches to the battery.

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

Ahhhh... OK... I just wanted to make sure you had good voltage since I've seen people overlook the simple things sometimes when trying to track down a problem, so I thought I better ask since you didn't mention it. That's really strange though. I'm not sure why that would be happening.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Yeah.. =/ I'm at a loss too. That's the only thing keeping me from wanting to start driving it daily... so It gets maybe a few miles a day right now....

 

[steve]

The first test is to crawl under the car and measure the voltage on the black/yellow wire to the starter solenoid. It should have battery voltage when your trying to crank the engine. If it doesn't then there is a problem in the ignition switch to starter relay to starter circuit.

The starter relay is normally closed, the coil of it is fed from the same place as the contacts and the ground for the coil runs through the clutch safety switch, also normally closed, to ground or the inhibitor switch on an automatic. The cars with factory theft alarms modify this slightly. If the clutch isn't pushed in or the CSS is bad the power from the ignition switch in the start position will flow through the relay coil to ground and open the relay disconnecting the ignition switch from the starter solenoid. Unplugging the CSS will keep the relay from opening and should cause the starter to engage.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I bet you have a dead part in the starter. Mine used to do the same thing. I would push it forward a little and try and it would work. Replaced it from one from autozone and it didnt do it again.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

I bet you have a dead part in the starter. Mine used to do the same thing. I would push it forward a little and try and it would work. Replaced it from one from autozone and it didnt do it again.

The original starter in the car had the above mentioned issue.

The starter in this one was tested 3 days ago and was perfect. It's spotless. No loose bolts, no nothing. Starts perfect every time.

That also doesn't explain why it fired right up after I changed Relays. =/

As far as the above stated.. my car DOES have the security thing. I've noticed that my door locks are a little touchy.. and if you lock the car, and try to unlock it from the outside, you have to hold the key in the unlock position to open the door otherwise the door locks as soon as you turn the key back to it's normal position to remove it from the door. Also, it attempts to lock the passenger door when you lock the driver side from inside, but not all the time does it engage the lock, and both locks will pop back out.

Normally I can see the Green Security light on the dash when this happens. Perhaps it's an issue with my Security?

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

It could be. Under the dash, c-25, which is by the radio, there is a theft alarm starter relay. Here is the wiring diagram that youll need to test everything.

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[XiKeiyaZI]

It could be. Under the dash, c-25, which is by the radio, there is a theft alarm starter relay. Here is the wiring diagram that youll need to test everything.

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Appreciated!

If it's the plug that I think it is... the one attached to a small bracket that is screwed into the frame... I've changed it too, from the talon!

I'll try that as well. I wasn't aware as to what that was... but I heard it click so I wanted to go ahead and try it.

Note : When I changed it the first time, the car still didn't crank.. until I changed those three under the dash behind the steering wheel. Then it fired right up.

Could a combination of relays be frying?...

Resolved :

There is a weird chip that has several wires running to it. I have a picture up in another thread regarding the wiring on this thing. I was messing with it and bumped it.. then turned the key over and viola!

I touched it again and the car wouldn't crank. Seems like it has to be grounded. It had 2 screws in it, so I screwed it into an open spot on the dash support near the ECU/Stereo area... and the car cranks over every time now.

I still have NO idea where it goes... but... apparently it has to be grounded for ym car to start.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Hmm. Picture?

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Certainly

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And this is EXACTLY how the wires in this picture fell out when i took the panel off.

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Only two of the wires run up into the dash... and into the ignition relay. The others are all connected to a single connection that is screwed into the frame... I'm thinking it was a remote start?

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

No idea. Ive never seen that before. TRy removing it all together.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

>_> It's spidered into my steering assembly.. xD I'm afraid to remove it.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

You have the wiring diagram you ####y. Just do it. Fix it or you suck. And ill call you a boy with girl hair forever.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

xD I knew I shouldn't have posted those!

FINE... i'll remove it.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Match color to color. It shouldnt be to hard.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Match color to color. It shouldnt be to hard.

Well I figured that.

I really want to know what the hell the ship at the end is though... hopefully when I remove it, it doesn't Fvck anything up. The ECU still has a tag on it from where it's been ' Tuned ' Before... so I'm a little skeptical as to what all has been done to this car.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

MAke sure to unplug your ecu and battery first