Spider Slower than a Hard Top?

[iisbernhard]

they hsould have jsut made it a 2.4 dohc....i dunno why they do crap liek that....they get worse teh newer they are....look at the 2nd gen n/t....in the 1st gen they were the same enigne just wihtout a turbo...now they f it all up so u cant swap junk around....it would be tight tho to put a 4g63 head on that 2.4 block and turbo charge that beatch

 

[raycer97]

Listen up guys. Wreckless8 is pretty close to the facts, although not entirely on que. The spyder does weigh more than the 2gnt but no where near 500lbs more! To be exact, the hardtop is 2767lbs and the spyder is 2888lbs - Slightly less than a GS-T. It is a SOHC 2.4L 4g64 motor, also found in the 94-98 galants. It produces 141hp @ 5500rpm and 148 ft-lbs. @ 3000rpm. That's 1 more hp and 18 more torque which is more than enough room to pull the extra weight. If a RS hardtop is beating a GS spyder down the track, it's only because he is a better driver...


Now, the beauty is that all your 4g63 parts bolt right up to the 4g64 block. The head, turbo, piping, all of it. I myself just did a head swap, which I'm now running a DOHC 2.4L 4g64. I'm slowly amassing turbo parts for the next undertaking... The REAL beauty is the extra torque spools the turbo faster.

I own a 420a and a 4g64 and both are excellent cars. I'm proud to own both of them.

-Raycer97

 

[ice4life8269]

Originally posted by supergoat
Cool thing is though, you can mate the DOHC 4g63 head to the 2.4L block and make a 2.4L DOHC engine.

Are you serious?

 

[ice4life8269]

Originally posted by raycer97
Listen up guys. Wreckless8 is pretty close to the facts, although not entirely on que. The spyder does weigh more than the 2gnt but no where near 500lbs more! To be exact, the hardtop is 2767lbs and the spyder is 2888lbs - Slightly less than a GS-T. It is a SOHC 2.4L 4g64 motor, also found in the 94-98 galants. It produces 141hp @ 5500rpm and 148 ft-lbs. @ 3000rpm. That's 1 more hp and 18 more torque which is more than enough room to pull the extra weight. If a RS hardtop is beating a GS spyder down the track, it's only because he is a better driver...


Now, the beauty is that all your 4g63 parts bolt right up to the 4g64 block. The head, turbo, piping, all of it. I myself just did a head swap, which I'm now running a DOHC 2.4L 4g64. I'm slowly amassing turbo parts for the next undertaking... The REAL beauty is the extra torque spools the turbo faster.

I own a 420a and a 4g64 and both are excellent cars. I'm proud to own both of them.

How hard was it to change the head/belts possibly pullys?

-Raycer97

 

[totaleklipse97]

k guys one night while our group was running a road out by the airport a girl was there in a 97' GS spyder. She was watching the races and made a comment how she wanted to run. I was up for it so we went down the road. She had a 5-spd also with full cat back and cold air intake. all i have is injen intake and 5-spd i have a 97 gs. We both line up and we take off, first run i had a shitty launch (i missed the flag) and we were fairly close but i pulled hard on her in 2nd. We stopped the race early cause the last racers were coming back so we stopped and turned around and lined up again. Second run i had a good launch and so did she. I had her all through 1st,2nd, and 3rd. Over a car lenght by mid 3rd. She had the car for a while so she knew how to drive. But she was so embareassed she turned around and split on us.. so i couldn't talk to her. There is no doubt in my mind that the hardtop is faster. But i've also beat a few hardtops that have more mods that me??? soo take what u want from that, but i would say we can beat them by at least a 1/2 car in the quater granted both are a good driver and have the same transmisson. ** If u've raced a spyder and had different results let me know**

 

[sypderdude31]

Originally posted by totaleklipse97
k guys one night while our group was running a road out by the airport a girl was there in a 97' GS spyder. She was watching the races and made a comment how she wanted to run. I was up for it so we went down the road. She had a 5-spd also with full cat back and cold air intake. all i have is injen intake and 5-spd i have a 97 gs. We both line up and we take off, first run i had a shitty launch (i missed the flag) and we were fairly close but i pulled hard on her in 2nd. We stopped the race early cause the last racers were coming back so we stopped and turned around and lined up again. Second run i had a good launch and so did she. I had her all through 1st,2nd, and 3rd. Over a car lenght by mid 3rd. She had the car for a while so she knew how to drive. But she was so embareassed she turned around and split on us.. so i couldn't talk to her. There is no doubt in my mind that the hardtop is faster. But i've also beat a few hardtops that have more mods that me??? soo take what u want from that, but i would say we can beat them by at least a 1/2 car in the quater granted both are a good driver and have the same transmisson. ** If u've raced a spyder and had different results let me know**

I seriously doubt she had a CAI for the 4G64 engine in the Spyder. No one makes one and the best you can do right now is run a K&N filter off the MAS. I've had a few street runs with 2G NT's and been able to keep
most of them behind me. The 4G64 engine has alot of potential if you increase the breathing capabilities i.e int/exh + AFC. Turbo'd even better...

www.geocities.com/chadberg_99/spydermods.html

 

[Todaguy]

ok what would win if the spyder n/t raced a first gen n/t. The first gen is alot lighter but has less power(i dont understand why?). What do you think?

 

[Initial DSM]

So I guess a stroked 4g64 (to 2.6L) with forged internals, and a ported 4G63 DOHC head with an Accel DFI ECU and a turbo turbo kit s20G or 60 trim would be ideal. Maybe even T66 or FP30 if you could do the custom turbo mod

 

[dsmrunnah95]

Originally posted by dsmrunnah95
I'm pretty sure the 2.4L spyder is a SOHC. Seems kind of wierd if it has .4L more displacement with only 1 more hp and 18 more tq.

Originally posted by raycer97
Listen up guys. Wreckless8 is pretty close to the facts, although not entirely on que. The spyder does weigh more than the 2gnt but no where near 500lbs more! To be exact, the hardtop is 2767lbs and the spyder is 2888lbs - Slightly less than a GS-T. It is a SOHC 2.4L 4g64 motor, also found in the 94-98 galants. It produces 141hp @ 5500rpm and 148 ft-lbs. @ 3000rpm. That's 1 more hp and 18 more torque which is more than enough room to pull the extra weight. If a RS hardtop is beating a GS spyder down the track, it's only because he is a better driver...

Now, the beauty is that all your 4g63 parts bolt right up to the 4g64 block. The head, turbo, piping, all of it. I myself just did a head swap, which I'm now running a DOHC 2.4L 4g64. I'm slowly amassing turbo parts for the next undertaking... The REAL beauty is the extra torque spools the turbo faster.

I love being repeated.

Also torque doesn't help spool a turbo, the extra displacement does.

 

[Initial DSM]

If thats the case, Racer97 should an L2R or FP30 turbo. Then bigger axles and a Quaife LSD.

 

[Beef Jerky]

The Spyder weighs more because of the additional supports and bracing in the body being it has no top. I've raced a friend's '95 GS hardtop (both of us stock) and we were about dead even. If one is faster than the other, it's not even noticeable.

raycer97 is right about the 4g64 being very similar to the 4g63, which makes turboing it somewhat cheap and simple (although some minor custom modification is required). But once complete, the 2.4L engine is a nice advantage over any GST.

 

[Initial DSM]

Will the 2.4L spool a bigger turbo faster than the 2.0L will because of its added displacement? Also, if you rebuilt a 2.4L with forged internals for bigger boost when going turbo ,as opposed to rebuilding a 2.0L, will the 2.4L top out at 6k redline, as opposed to the 2.0L at 8k redline? Im speaking out of text from a conversation with Howell automotive which said that the 2.4L Chrysler stroked to 2.6L longblock conversion into a GS would redline at 6k ; just wondering if his theory still applies to the 4G64 2.4L. Also if this theory applies to the 4G64, will it also overwork the turbo at high rpms since it hits higher boost at low rpms?

I would want to see this:
2.6L stroker 420A HRC stage IV (20g) Vs 2.6L stroker 4G64 spyder w 20g

 

[ice4life8269]

Originally posted by Initial DSM
Will the 2.4L spool a bigger turbo faster than the 2.0L will because of its added displacement? Also, if you rebuilt a 2.4L with forged internals for bigger boost when going turbo ,as opposed to rebuilding a 2.0L, will the 2.4L top out at 6k redline, as opposed to the 2.0L at 8k redline? Im speaking out of text from a conversation with Howell automotive which said that the 2.4L Chrysler stroked to 2.6L longblock conversion into a GS would redline at 6k ; just wondering if his theory still applies to the 4G64 2.4L. Also if this theory applies to the 4G64, will it also overwork the turbo at high rpms since it hits higher boost at low rpms?

I would want to see this:
2.6L stroker 420A HRC stage IV (20g) Vs 2.6L stroker 4G64 spyder w 20g

The GS spyder doesn't use the chrysler motor.

 

[Initial DSM]

Hmm...

When I say 2.4L Chrysler I mean Sebring /PT cruiser block. The 2.4L Blocks of those kind, can mate up to an eclipse na DOHC head. The 4G64 block I know is 2.4L stock, but needs the DOHC head as well to use the displacement to its advantage. Magbus Motorsports even has started to sell 2.4L 4G63 blocks in their lineup so I know th etrend is starting to catch.

 

[raycer97]

Originally posted by ice4life8269


Are you serious?

Absolutely. That's what I'm running now.

 

[raycer97]

Originally posted by Initial DSM
Howell automotive which said that the 2.4L Chrysler stroked to 2.6L longblock conversion into a GS would redline at 6k ; just wondering if his theory still applies to the 4G64 2.4L.

Not at all. Magnus motorsports spins their turbo 2.4L DOHC to 8500rpm.