Solved Crank Walk on 7-bolts? BS?...

[ftltalon]

just get a 6 bolt and dont worry about it
and im speaking as a CW victim.....

 

[97TSIAWD]

I repeat: CALL HIM




Frankly, I don't have to prove anything. Why do you think I posted his contact info. I'll say it REAL slow....... CALL HIM.




I forward you to the post that was just made before this one.

Yes you do, if you post a thread called "Crankwalk Fixed: Details inside" then you have to post the proof. If I wanted to contact him I would have. Otherwise he should have posted this so we could ask him questions, not someone that is uniformed and just says call this guy. I'm not saying either way the fix will work or not, I'm simply stating the fact that without this guys input the thread only gives a phone number. A better thread name would have been "Crankwalk Fixed: Call this guy!!" Sorry not trying to rag on you but this is a touchy subject.

 

[97TSIAWD]

Who's to say that mitsubishi's fix wasn't to just change the block slightly? Who are any of us to say there's not more than one way to solve this problem? Just because it's not the manufacturer's way (they changed parts of the design of their engine, obviously, as evo's don't seem to walk) doesn't mean it's not a viable fix... I'd be interested to see, but I really hate to see the skepticism I see from the DSM community about ANYTHING that isn't proven... how can it be new if it's been proven?

Are you serious? Anything that prevents or does not prevent my engine killing itself needs to be proven. You can't seriously think that a guy who has a fix for cancer hasn't tested it, he is just going to sell it if it works, it works, if not ohh well people die? This is the same thing, if this fix works okay my engine is saved, if not it will still die. It's called research and developement you research and find a fix then develope it. If he has worked on it for a long time okay, then there is promise behind it, if it is just something he thinks will work that is not good enough. I am only a skeptic because every 6 months someone posts a claim to have fixed crankwalk. I know it might be a fix, I'm just saying there isn't any evidence thus far that it is. If you think so spend the money for the fix and let me know how it goes.

 

[Musashi450]

oh snap

 

[FireyIce01]

Are you serious? Anything that prevents or does not prevent my engine killing itself needs to be proven. You can't seriously think that a guy who has a fix for cancer hasn't tested it, he is just going to sell it if it works, it works, if not ohh well people die? This is the same thing, if this fix works okay my engine is saved, if not it will still die. It's called research and developement you research and find a fix then develope it. If he has worked on it for a long time okay, then there is promise behind it, if it is just something he thinks will work that is not good enough. I am only a skeptic because every 6 months someone posts a claim to have fixed crankwalk. I know it might be a fix, I'm just saying there isn't any evidence thus far that it is. If you think so spend the money for the fix and let me know how it goes.

Well, I'm not telling you to go out and pay him a buncha money right now... but why be so damn skeptical & insist on asking all these questions of theory and whatnot to a guy that drives a 1G and just thought he'd share the info... and what exactly do you think chemotherapy is? If it works, it works, if not... oh well... that's a very poor example/comparison. What I meant by proven was, in the community, if it's not been done a half a dozen times by a half a dozen people, it must be BS (I realize you didn't say BS specifically, but the flag was waved early in this thread) Who knows weather or not it's been proven in R&D situations? I sure don't, but you should probably contact this guy and see what his explanation is, what kind of proof he has that it does work... and then if he doesn't satisfy you with his answers, then don't buy it and post the facts he gave you on it... if he does satisfy you, try it out...

I have no concerns about crankwalk in my motor, as I fully intend to build a hybrid 4g92/3 or wait until next year and figure out how to turn an Evo9 motor around and put it in my car... I want MIVEC to go with my turbo... but that's neither here nor there....

Give the guy a call instead of spreading such negativity on the board about something we know nothing about.

 

[silkcity100]

why is eveyone bashing morphious when hes only trying to help the community here,eveyone is telling him to prove it,its not him doing it hes only bringing another idea or way to help people by showing other ideas and websites,,call that guy and ask him the q`s stop bashing him that guy might be on to something or he might be full of $hit its not morphious idea or product just bringing might be solution, BE NICE GUYS ,dont bash people for bringing might be solutions,i just dont have the time to test it or the money to cause if it doesnt work then i will have to go n buy a 6bolt afterall

ps there is to things i have learned as a dsm`er

1. never run a skinny bearing 7bolt or 6bolt,because they walk more than a ho on the old 42nd st in manhattan

2. never install a lightweight pulley ,because my rod bearings went with only 50,xxx miles on the motor,also my friends crank snapped because of it

 

[97TSIAWD]

Well, I'm not telling you to go out and pay him a buncha money right now... but why be so damn skeptical & insist on asking all these questions of theory and whatnot to a guy that drives a 1G and just thought he'd share the info... and what exactly do you think chemotherapy is? If it works, it works, if not... oh well... that's a very poor example/comparison. What I meant by proven was, in the community, if it's not been done a half a dozen times by a half a dozen people, it must be BS (I realize you didn't say BS specifically, but the flag was waved early in this thread) Who knows weather or not it's been proven in R&D situations? I sure don't, but you should probably contact this guy and see what his explanation is, what kind of proof he has that it does work... and then if he doesn't satisfy you with his answers, then don't buy it and post the facts he gave you on it... if he does satisfy you, try it out...

I have no concerns about crankwalk in my motor, as I fully intend to build a hybrid 4g92/3 or wait until next year and figure out how to turn an Evo9 motor around and put it in my car... I want MIVEC to go with my turbo... but that's neither here nor there....

Give the guy a call instead of spreading such negativity on the board about something we know nothing about.

One, I'm not promoting negativity. If I was then my posts would have been a lot different. believe me. Second, if I was looking for a fix I would maybe investigate. I'm simply helping others by trying to get more info printed here, so a search would yield results not just a phone number. I've called plenty of people in the car world that don't know anything and are crazy. Also we need to know if it is proven fix, yes testing it on several different cars would help but even being able to prove that it worked on one car. Talking to him on the phone isn't going to show a fix, going to his shop and looking at a motor isn't going to prove anything. Pictures on the internet aren't going to prove anything. There must be engines/cars that this has worked for, otherwise he is selling a product that he thinks will fix it. Okay, if that is how he wants to market it. Also if your speaking as in the community, I think proven combos are great. I also think people who go different routes and yield great results are just as good. But that isn't this topic. In fact I bet a lot of people will be calling him tomorrow and post what they learn from him. P.S. I'm not talking about proven combos when it comes to this crankwalk fix as it seems you have mis-read and believe I am, I am talking about proving it works in the first place.

 

[FireyIce01]

One, I'm not promoting negativity. If I was then my posts would have been a lot different. believe me. Second, if I was looking for a fix I would maybe investigate. I'm simply helping others by trying to get more info printed here, so a search would yield results not just a phone number. I've called plenty of people in the car world that don't know anything and are crazy. Also we need to know if it is proven fix, yes testing it on several different cars would help but even being able to prove that it worked on one car. Talking to him on the phone isn't going to show a fix, going to his shop and looking at a motor isn't going to prove anything. Pictures on the internet aren't going to prove anything. There must be engines/cars that this has worked for, otherwise he is selling a product that he thinks will fix it. Okay, if that is how he wants to market it. Also if your speaking as in the community, I think proven combos are great. I also think people who go different routes and yield great results are just as good. But that isn't this topic. In fact I bet a lot of people will be calling him tomorrow and post what they learn from him. P.S. I'm not talking about proven combos when it comes to this crankwalk fix as it seems you have mis-read and believe I am, I am talking about proving it works in the first place.

Alright, it sounds like we're on the same page then... here's hoping there's some more info here soon...

Morphius - don't suppose next time you talk to the guy, you could let him know about tuners (assuming you haven't already) and maybe he can come in here and give people the information himself...

I'd be interested in finding out more about this, as I still have this gremlin that I would like to put a 4g63 in.... and if I can get a mivec motor in my gsx, I could take it's 7bolt, get this fix done and drop it in my gremlin

 

[97TSIAWD]

why is eveyone bashing morphious when hes only trying to help the community here,eveyone is telling him to prove it,its not him doing it hes only bringing another idea or way to help people by showing other ideas and websites,,call that guy and ask him the q`s stop bashing him that guy might be on to something or he might be full of $hit its not morphious idea or product just bringing might be solution, BE NICE GUYS ,dont bash people for bringing might be solutions,i just dont have the time to test it or the money to cause if it doesnt work then i will have to go n buy a 6bolt afterall

ps there is to things i have learned as a dsm`er

1. never run a skinny bearing 7bolt or 6bolt,because they walk more than a ho on the old 42nd st in manhattan

2. never install a lightweight pulley ,because my rod bearings went with only 50,xxx miles on the motor,also my friends crank snapped because of it

I'm not bashing him at all. I simply started to ask some questions. If the person who posted a thread can not answer them what good is the thread? It's not bashing if all your doing is asking for answers, I would expect the same if I claimed something as well and posted it on the internet. As I previously stated it should be more like "Crankwalk Fix: Call this Guy!" then. All that can happen now is more people post their theories and arguements towards those theories. Without the actual builder of the part commenting or someone who is dirrectly connected with the project how can any of us get information or answers without calling this guy? We can't. Also again I'm not basching Morphious I'm sure he is a good guy ("what is the matrix though?" j/k ) but I thought he might have some answers being the orginator of the thread.

 

[Morphius]

I'm not bashing him at all. I simply started to ask some questions. If the person who posted a thread can not answer them what good is the thread? It's not bashing if all your doing is asking for answers, I would expect the same if I claimed something as well and posted it on the internet. As I previously stated it should be more like "Crankwalk Fix: Call this Guy!" then. All that can happen now is more people post their theories and arguements towards those theories. Without the actual builder of the part commenting or someone who is dirrectly connected with the project how can any of us get information or answers without calling this guy? We can't. Also again I'm not basching Morphious I'm sure he is a good guy ("what is the matrix though?" j/k ) but I thought he might have some answers being the orginator of the thread.

Frankly, it's people like you, that I find I less and less interest in spending my time here. The tone of tuners in the past 2-3 years has done a 180. Ever notice how many of the long time members rarely post?

The basic concept is thrust load area. 7bolt lacks it. Proven 6 bolt has a much larger area. SO, what do you do? Increase the thrust load surface area. Exactly what he has done. On the order of 4 or more times. I believe it might be more than a 6 bolt.

I already asked him if he'd post here. No he won't be here anytime soon. He owns and runs his own buisness, which more than keeps him busy and doesn't leave him with time to do much else.

I simply ran across someone that had a mod for a 7 bolt that logically, would be a correction for the crankwalk issue.

Obviously, he's got several motors out there running. How many? I don't know. Wouldn't matter anyhow. If he named 50 people, it still wouldn't be enough proof for you. You'd probably have to know them before you even start to accept it. I can already tell, nothing posted on the site (or here) is going to convince you.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Save some of you the hassle of doing a 6 bolt swap, while allowing you to keep your 2g rods!!

Why would I keep the 2g rods? those things are like twigs. I guess If I was staying stock, but if the blocks open may as well upgrade to 1g bog rods

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I already asked him if he'd post here. No he won't be here anytime soon. He owns and runs his own buisness, which more than keeps him busy and doesn't leave him with time to do much else.

Well that's stupid, if he has this magical fix everyones looking for he may as well post it up. Why have 5000 people trying to call his business when he can just explain everything on here. It would take less of his precious time.

 

[BrokenTsi]

I know who this guy is. He sells complete motors on ebay. I talked to him about building me a block, and he said I could buy one from him for about 1700 shipped. He's located in NY, right by me. He's a pretty cool guy.

He quoted me a built assembled shortblock that I believe came with a front case and all timing tensioners and removed balance shafts and all. All you gotta do is slap on a head and timing belt and such.

Supposedly he's got a HUGE machine shop and he builds all sorts of motors.

He used to post engines on ebay. If anyone remembers, it was a complete engine with head, timing belt, valve cover, etc. The block was painted blue and the valve cover was painted grey. He advertised the 420a motor, but he also does 4g63 motors. The price was about 2200 for a completely rebuilt and assembled block/head with all the goodies (stock goodies).

But as far as the crankwalk theory goes...........I would rather just swap in a 6bolt anyways. But for those of you who live in california and have guys inspect the numbers on the block, go for it and see what happens.

 

[Defiant]

Is it just a lighting fluke, or is that girdle twisted a bit?

Has anyone ever cut the thrust cap free from the girdle? I wonder if its being captive like that puts too much load on the bearing, not giving it any room to flex.

Otherwise, yeah, more bearing surface should go a long way toward slowing its failure.

I'm one of the ones who never full-subscribed to the oil-squirter theory.

 

[GPTourer]

Because they have already voided it from warrenty, they could sell it seperately as an aftermarket part. Why would they keep it from the consumer if it could make them money? Is it cost affective, maybe not. Also redesigning the 4g63 as was done I imagine for the Evo8 as it is not the same engine in a 2g they might have fixed the problem by starting over. The engine although similar is variably different. Therefore saying that an Evo8 has a fixed 2g motor that will not crankwalk is not true.

Because by producing a crankwalk proof 2G engine and marketing as an upgrade would be like admitting there was a problem in the first place. Mitsubishi is not going to do that. They replaced the stock cars under warranty, and everybody else with ACT 2600's and 20G's and the like were pretty much assed out. And what would the cost of such an engine be? I'd imagine around the 3-5 grand range. Why would any of us pay that much for a stock motor when you can go get a built six bolt for much less? The Evo 8 engine might be a lot different, but what about the 7, 6, 5 and 4 before it? Do they CW? IF they don't then the fix began a long time ago and has evolved from there making it an "evolutionary" change rather then a clean sheat redesign starting with the VIII. So I agree there are a lot of differences between an VIII and 2G engine, but not so much that they aren't related, as in one lead to the other.

 

[97TSIAWD]

Because by producing a crankwalk proof 2G engine and marketing as an upgrade would be like admitting there was a problem in the first place. Mitsubishi is not going to do that. They replaced the stock cars under warranty, and everybody else with ACT 2600's and 20G's and the like were pretty much assed out. And what would the cost of such an engine be? I'd imagine around the 3-5 grand range. Why would any of us pay that much for a stock motor when you can go get a built six bolt for much less? The Evo 8 engine might be a lot different, but what about the 7, 6, 5 and 4 before it? Do they CW? IF they don't then the fix began a long time ago and has evolved from there making it an "evolutionary" change rather then a clean sheat redesign starting with the VIII. So I agree there are a lot of differences between an VIII and 2G engine, but not so much that they aren't related, as in one lead to the other.

I understand that, as I said it is probably not cost affective. I also said that if it was a simple fix, as in thrust bearings, then why not sell the parts as a fix and make money for those who actually know about cw and want to fix it? I understand they would be admitting there was a problem, in fact they probably should, the point is since the problem has already been erased as a warranty problem, they could sell the fix hopefully without a law suit. Or, if they had a simple fix as in the thrust bearing theory, why not sell the product info to another parts dealer or such under a assumed company name, the consumer would never know, I mean companies do this all the time. Also, my biggest concern with this engine builder is that specialist like Buschur/Extreme and others have been in the dsm world for a long time, if they could have developed a fix for the problem they would gain to make the most for they are dirrectly involved with the dsm community. Such though has not happened.

Obviously, he's got several motors out there running. How many? I don't know. Wouldn't matter anyhow. If he named 50 people, it still wouldn't be enough proof for you. You'd probably have to know them before you even start to accept it. I can already tell, nothing posted on the site (or here) is going to convince you.

50 people would satisfy me just fine. I mean if there was a definate fix, it would only take one. The point is a 7bolt motor can crankwalk at any time. So we are not sure when it will take place. For a fix to occur, the engine in which the fix was placed, maybe more than one would have to endure several thousand miles of driving for it to be considered a fix. Otherwise, we would not know for sure, say I buy the fix, the car still runs fine, then 25K miles down the road it walks, what then? Do I sue him, or have I been hoaxed. The reason I say we need tests samples and proof is because the proof is in the logevity of the block from crankwalk, not the fact that wider bearings are better.

Frankly, it's people like you, that I find I less and less interest in spending my time here. The tone of tuners in the past 2-3 years has done a 180. Ever notice how many of the long time members rarely post?

People like me? It's people like me that keep the dsm community alive. I've owned dsm's since 98, 4 in all. I've been a member of other dsm boards since 2001 and a memeber of this board since 02. I go to dsm events, shootouts, bbq's. I help other local dsm'ers with problems/parts/ and installations. I've posted my fair share of questions, and answers in a positive manner. Just because I constructively debate the validity of this fix makes me less of a contributor? Sorry if others have made me weary of crankwalk fixes, when people have claimed so as long as I can remember. To put it very frankly I don't care if people like me make you find things less interesting, deal with it, other people find me very helpful. Also to say that long time members don't post because of other people is ridiculous, how do you know that, did they all tell you that. Since I've been here for 2-3 years I can say that tuners has done a 180 to a better site/forums. I remember a lot in the community making fun of "tooners" and now I respect it more than any other. Good day sir.

 

[defrag010]

He used to post engines on ebay. If anyone remembers, it was a complete engine with head, timing belt, valve cover, etc. The block was painted blue and the valve cover was painted grey. He advertised the 420a motor, but he also does 4g63 motors. The price was about 2200 for a completely rebuilt and assembled block/head with all the goodies (stock goodies).

I remember that guy! he had all sorts of motors like that from isuzus to fords.

 

[Tevenor]

HEY LOOK AT ME! I BANGED JENNA JAMESON AND SHE SAID I WAS THE BEST EVER. NO I DON'T HAVE PROOF BUT I HAVE PATENTED MY "DOUBLE TWIST FINGLER-TIP TONGUE FLICK IN A PIKE POSITION" THAT SHE SAID WAS SO GOOD.





Attention whores should be shot.





Every 6 months it seems someone new comes up with a "solution for crankwalk". And every 6 months there is a big buzz and no results. Why? Because not a single damn one of them has satisfactorily answered the following question:

WHAT CAUSES PREMATURE WEAR OF THE THRUST BEARING?

Now if we filter out all the cases of assembly error, oil contamination, and standard wear pattern, we are left with some percentage that truly suffers from Premature thrust bearing failure, which is really what Crankwalk is. Now, is it a heavy clutch and hence heavier thrust loads? Possibly but then why do stock cars get it? Is it oil squirters? Possibly. How about crank material as 6-bolt cranks are cast steel and 7-bolt cranks are cast iron. Maybe.

The person who figures out "Why" will figure out "What" to do to fix it. Otherwise its all speculation and blowing smoke up the DSM communities ass.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

HEY LOOK AT ME! I BANGED JENNA JAMESON AND SHE SAID I WAS THE BEST EVER. NO I DON'T HAVE PROOF BUT I HAVE PATENTED MY "DOUBLE TWIST FINGLER-TIP TONGUE FLICK IN A PIKE POSITION" THAT SHE SAID WAS SO GOOD.
.

Nuh uh. She said I was the best ever

 

[kalla]

Has NO ONE compared, side by side, a 6-bolt block, the 7-bolt block, and the EVO block? Even looking at them briefly would get you most of the key differences made to the bottom end! Doing this would help end the "maybe the EVO motor is fixed in the bottom end" speculation and provide some hard facts.

 

[waiting2bl33d]

awhile back i was going to buy an engine from this guy. he said that if his 7 bolt that i would have bought from him walked then we would give me a 6 bolt as long as he got the old motor back he even said he'd pay to have it shipped he sounds like a nice guy on the phone but sometimes thats not a good thing he did sound very knowledgable about the situation but what i was worried about is if it did walk it would walk after atleast 30,000 miles and what if thats like 2 or 3 years down the road and hes out of buisness thats all i'm saying but give him a call and do what i did and be like if i spend the cash i want a garentuy (sp?) cause he told me that his 7 bolt was as strong as his 6 bolts

 

[GPTourer]

I understand that, as I said it is probably not cost affective. I also said that if it was a simple fix, as in thrust bearings, then why not sell the parts as a fix and make money for those who actually know about cw and want to fix it? I understand they would be admitting there was a problem, in fact they probably should, the point is since the problem has already been erased as a warranty problem, they could sell the fix hopefully without a law suit. Or, if they had a simple fix as in the thrust bearing theory, why not sell the product info to another parts dealer or such under a assumed company name, the consumer would never know, I mean companies do this all the time.

Amazing. What you are suggesting is that an auto manufacturer attempt to profit off of their mistakes and not own up to the fact they had a poor design to begin with. Which is precisely one of the reasons Mitsubishi is in so much trouble today from them previously trying to hide defects and not issue a recall. I don't care what other "companies" that you've heard of that "do this all the time" There's no way an auto manufacturer can pull off any of the stuff you are suggesting. Especially not a company like Mitsubishi that is under intense scrutiny for any wrong doings from the government and several watchdog consumer organizations. If a "fix" were created, it would have to be given away for free as a recall, not sold under the table by some dummy shell company. It just doesn't work that way. "Hopefully without a lawsuit"? Not in America, man.

Until the supply of six bolts start drying up, and the nature of their relatively cheap buildup, theres no reason for a big company like Mitsu to develop a fix for high performance use on the side. Maybe this guy and Magnus are both right. Perhaps a combo of the oil suirter mod/removal plus this improved bearing is all anyone will need and built seven bolts and '64 Galant bottoms will become the norm.

 

[JessesTalon]

I would say they have. Under every Evo 8 hood is a seven bolt that doesn't walk (hasn't walked yet). Why would they bother worrying about making a fix for us when all of our cars are out of warranty; when they are strapped for cash; and most of the people that "discover" the problem are modded anyway? Mitsubishi has moved on to a better engine that they've supplied for their newer cars.

People with 100% stock cars that get crankwalk have been fixed for free by dealer... but if they find any mods then they wont do it for free....


I have seen at least 2 or 3 ppl here on the forums that got CW fixed for free by dealer (basically new engine)

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

People with 100% stock cars that get crankwalk have been fixed for free by dealer... but if they find any mods then they wont do it for free....


I have seen at least 2 or 3 ppl here on the forums that got CW fixed for free by dealer (basically new engine)

I know someone that had a engine replaced due to CW (totally Stock) the warranty people sent the dealer and new motor and it was about to CW so he got another 7-bolt which the oil pump siezed on and then another one that was ok

 

[97TSIAWD]

Amazing. What you are suggesting is that an auto manufacturer attempt to profit off of their mistakes and not own up to the fact they had a poor design to begin with. Which is precisely one of the reasons Mitsubishi is in so much trouble today from them previously trying to hide defects and not issue a recall. I don't care what other "companies" that you've heard of that "do this all the time" There's no way an auto manufacturer can pull off any of the stuff you are suggesting. Especially not a company like Mitsubishi that is under intense scrutiny for any wrong doings from the government and several watchdog consumer organizations. If a "fix" were created, it would have to be given away for free as a recall, not sold under the table by some dummy shell company. It just doesn't work that way. "Hopefully without a lawsuit"? Not in America, man.

Until the supply of six bolts start drying up, and the nature of their relatively cheap buildup, theres no reason for a big company like Mitsu to develop a fix for high performance use on the side. Maybe this guy and Magnus are both right. Perhaps a combo of the oil suirter mod/removal plus this improved bearing is all anyone will need and built seven bolts and '64 Galant bottoms will become the norm.

No I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm not saying that it is even possible to do such a thing at all (for mitsu). I'm saying that companies have done things similar for a long time, if you don't think so your naive. Like saying Enron was a good company run by honest people. People embezzle money, setup shadow companies, etc..our government has done the same thing. In the world of business unless you are the ceo or an executive you don't know what is really going on in that company, secrecy is real even under intense observation from governments and other groups. The point I was making was that the three engines I'm looking at 4g63 between 90 dsms and the current Evos are different. Although similar in many ways, I don't think that the current Evo motors are fixed 2g motors. To me the design problems that caused crankwalk were looked at, I doubt the compnay found an answer to the problem but looked at previous designs/engineered something better. They probably didn't even think about ever looking back at the cw problem and fixing it. I'm saying that if they did, which is unlikely, that somehow they could have marketed it in a different way, as to not fall under current recall laws. Maybe not, but I'm sure an engineer from mitsu that worked on the motor and knew of a fix could if it exsisted have sold it outside of the company, if he had a connection with the company they could intern ask for royalties/sue for such. Or that could have been there plan all along, I'm just throwing out what ifs and theories though not substantial information, remember this is all hypothetical like the cw fix. Also your right, Americans not sue, it is kind of a redundant statement in this day and age.

P.S. this thread isn't at all about what we were just talking about, it's about a cw fix. I was trying to point out I doubt mitsu has developed a fix to cw, and offer a possibility as to if they did what would happen. Also if under so much observation if a cure has been found, it must be secret because we haven't heard about it correct? I am simply stating that Mitsu probably doesn't have a fix.