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ProjektChrysali

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Jan 27, 2009
Houston, Texas
Long time lurker here. This has been a great resource for all my past problems, but I've got a problem I haven't been able to diagnose with existing resources.

The Problem: was driving the other day, came to a stop. Made a gentle right turn, and the car just dies. Tach drops to zero, fortunately I'm able to get the car off the road and towed home. A few hours later I start it back up, no problem, it idles fine. It'll run for a few minutes, until it reaches approximately operating temperature, then it'll start to misfire, the tach jumps from about 500-1500rpm, and then dies. If I try to restart it immediately the starter will spin but the engine won't catch. I can't get it to run again til cool.

The Condition: ~160k miles 4g63t GS-T Spyder, brand new timing belt and water pump. Ran the car 150+ miles before this problem so I don't think either are related (PS the forums and FAQs here were instrumental in getting that done :).) Though, I did noticed the new water pump was an "induction" design, if that's the right word. Pulled the throttle body the other day to clean, but it was already surprisingly clean, noticed the intake manifold was dirty but not much I could do about it, and put everything back together. NGK sparks as old as the belt, brand new (still lousy) Bosch 7mm spark wires. Also, when putting on the new cover I noticed the CAS plate was worn shiny on one edge, I think it'd been scraping the hydraulic tensioner.

Things I'm going to be checking: TPS, ignition coils. What else?

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any help would be much appreciated. I'll try to upload some pictures and videos tomorrow.
 
speed sensor, crank position sensor, cam position sensor.
My car would do that same thing, it turned out the speed sensor had a short (it only happened when the car warmed up though) and would cut the power to the cam sensor which set of my ASD. Check those for melted wires????
 
Could also possibly be the ignition coil or fuel pump along with all the other things already mentioned. Electronics are very sensitive to heat, especially coil packs. Best thing to do would be find a parts car or a buddy that is generousl and start swapping things. Also you could check the fuel pressure on the return side of the rail. Good luck!
 
I have a 90 tsi and when i bought it i started it up drive for 10 to 15 min and then die and would not start for 30 min to an hour then it would start up and run for a few and then die. It was my ecu the diodes in the ecu went bad and leaked out and caused it to not function properly. I had new ones put in but you can buy them for like $10 bucks and do them your self. One way to tell is take the cover off the ecu and if it has a really bad order or you might see wear it leaked on the mother board then that is probably your problem.
 
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Thanks for all the replies! Checked the VSS, Cam and Crank PS cables, all looked good. Pulled and reinserted plugs. I'm going to have to find a friend with a dedicated ohmmeter to get actual readings, none of my multimeters can read more than ~2k ohms. I need to check the ignition coils, visual inspection revealed a little rust and flaking. Fuel pump is a good idea, I reset the retracted top liner the other day and my have rustled something loose. And I think I'm going to go ahead and replace the thermometer just in case, I have no idea when it was last replaced and I'm a little skeptical of the readings I've always gotten. Also ordered an ODBII scanner.
 
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FINALLY got my ODBII scanner from Amazon. Car wasn't even throwing a CEL on the dash but the scanner picked up a P1105, fuel pressure solenoid. I had a CEL for the longest time, I think this was it, I had it checked a while ago but didn't affect driveability so I never thought anything of it. After doing some research it sounds like the solenoid makes the car easier to start while cold, so that seems to be the opposite of the problem I'm having. I do have my boost gauge wired in after the FPS but it was throwing that code even before I put in the gauge, so again I don't think that's the problem. I guess I'm going to go rent a fuel pressure tester tomorrow just to make sure it's within acceptable levels. I'm going to get a digital multimeter, all the multimeters I've got are analog and questionable at best, so hopefully I'll be able to get an actual read off the coils.

ECU looked good, fuel pump starts right up, replaced the coolant temp sensor and thermostat, broke the BOV (&#*$ trying to find a 1g and 2g kit now)

After playing with the car some more it's pretty clear the car starts off fine and gradually starts dwindling RPMs, starting about 1000-1100 rpm and making its way down to 500-600 RPM, before dying. I can't get a reading off the coils with my multimeters, but I've thought about heating them up with, say, a hair dryer, before an otherwise cold start and see if I can emulate a start after having been running. I'm kind of at my wits end here.

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<embed width="440" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://v7.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2ptq98z&s=7"><br><font size="1"><a href="http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2ptq98z&s=7">Original Video</a>

Skip to about the 3/4 mark to hear it die.
 

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Checked my throttle position sensor and I got 4.9K ohms between terminals 1 and four, within range, but got .9K - 5K ohms, considerably below the specified 3.5K - 6.5K ohms. My question is: would this problem result in the type of issues I've been having? It makes sense that the car could be getting an unusually low throttle resistance reading and lower fuel to the point that it just dies? If so, does the sensor just need to be replaced, or would the procedure described at http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/324431-how-adjust-throttle-position-sensor-tps.html adjust the resistance enough?
 
I picked up a PocketLogger and a TPS from a shop in Houston via craigslist, took a while to get the thing to sync but now I'm pretty pleased with it for logging. First thing I noticed was the throttle position looked about perfect on the logger. :ohdamn: Oh well. The only thing that looked unusual to me was the O2 1 Bank 1 value bouncing around between ~.1 and .7

projektchrysali_-_Obd2.PDB

Time,Load,Coolant,Short Term Fuel Trim 1,Long Term Fuel Trim 1,RPM,Timing,Air Temp,Airflow,TPS,O2 1 Bank 1,O2 Trim 1 Bank 1,O2 2 Bank 1,O2 Trim 2 Bank 1
00:01.80,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
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00:05.40,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:07.19,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,21.22,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:08.98,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:10.81,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,56.97,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:12.60,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,97.45,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:14.36,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,97.84,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:16.17,0.0,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:17.96,44.79,106.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.26,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:19.77,19.25,106.0,0.0,0.0,1828.0,17.0,61.0,1.08,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:21.56,20.43,106.0,0.0,0.0,1464.0,22.0,61.0,0.97,1.18,0.06,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:23.36,20.04,106.0,0.0,0.0,1324.0,19.0,61.0,0.87,1.18,0.42,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:25.15,21.61,106.0,0.0,0.0,1172.0,16.0,59.0,0.77,1.18,0.84,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:26.95,22.4,106.0,0.0,0.0,1036.0,10.0,59.0,0.76,1.18,0.92,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:28.73,22.79,106.0,0.0,0.0,1008.0,10.0,59.0,0.77,1.18,0.92,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:30.54,23.18,106.0,0.0,0.0,1032.0,11.0,59.0,0.76,1.18,0.92,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:32.34,23.18,106.0,0.0,0.0,1020.0,13.0,59.0,0.76,1.18,0.86,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:34.11,23.58,106.0,0.0,0.0,1040.0,10.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.66,0.0,0.0,0.0
00:35.93,23.18,106.0,0.0,0.0,1048.0,11.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.06,0.0,0.02,0.0
00:37.72,23.58,108.0,0.0,0.0,1032.0,11.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.02,0.0
00:39.52,23.97,108.0,0.0,0.0,1044.0,14.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.04,0.0
00:41.31,24.36,108.0,0.0,0.0,1016.0,14.0,59.0,0.78,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.04,0.0
00:43.09,23.58,108.0,0.0,0.0,1028.0,13.0,59.0,0.8,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.08,0.0
00:44.90,23.97,109.0,0.0,0.0,1036.0,14.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.1,0.0
00:46.68,23.18,109.0,0.0,0.0,1036.0,13.0,59.0,0.79,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.12,0.0
00:48.47,23.18,109.0,0.0,0.0,1028.0,11.0,59.0,0.78,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.12,0.0
00:50.29,23.18,111.0,0.0,0.0,1028.0,14.0,59.0,0.8,1.18,0.04,0.0,0.12,0.0
00:52.08,23.18,111.0,0.0,0.0,1044.0,15.0,59.0,0.78,1.18,0.06,1.56,0.14,2.34
00:53.86,22.0,111.0,3.0,0.0,1040.0,11.0,59.0,0.77,1.18,0.08,4.69,0.22,4.69
00:55.66,22.0,111.0,5.0,0.0,1092.0,14.0,59.0,0.76,1.18,0.38,3.13,0.36,3.91
00:57.47,22.4,113.0,4.0,0.0,1052.0,13.0,59.0,0.74,1.18,0.6,3.91,0.38,3.91
00:59.25,21.61,113.0,5.0,0.0,1036.0,11.0,59.0,0.73,1.18,0.74,5.47,0.34,5.47
01:01.06,22.0,113.0,4.0,0.0,1028.0,16.0,59.0,0.73,1.18,0.08,3.91,0.36,4.69
01:02.86,22.0,115.0,5.0,0.0,1052.0,13.0,59.0,0.71,1.18,0.16,4.69,0.44,4.69
01:04.63,19.65,115.0,5.0,0.0,1032.0,13.0,59.0,0.71,6.68,0.1,5.47,0.4,5.47
01:06.44,20.04,115.0,5.0,0.0,1380.0,24.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.84,3.91,0.48,3.91
01:08.23,22.0,115.0,3.0,0.0,996.0,13.0,59.0,0.7,1.18,0.06,3.13,0.36,3.91
01:10.01,21.22,117.0,4.0,0.0,996.0,13.0,59.0,0.68,1.18,0.12,5.47,0.28,5.47
01:11.80,21.61,117.0,6.0,0.0,984.0,11.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.12,5.47,0.48,5.47
01:13.61,21.61,118.0,6.0,0.0,992.0,10.0,59.0,0.68,1.18,0.1,5.47,0.5,5.47
01:15.41,21.61,118.0,6.0,0.0,968.0,10.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.62,5.47,0.46,5.47
01:17.19,22.0,118.0,5.0,0.0,968.0,14.0,59.0,0.68,1.18,0.72,4.69,0.48,3.91
01:18.98,21.61,120.0,5.0,0.0,984.0,10.0,59.0,0.69,1.18,0.66,4.69,0.48,4.69
01:20.80,21.61,120.0,5.0,0.0,988.0,10.0,59.0,0.68,1.18,0.38,4.69,0.5,4.69
01:22.59,21.22,120.0,5.0,0.0,992.0,9.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.1,4.69,0.5,4.69
01:24.38,21.61,120.0,5.0,0.0,980.0,11.0,59.0,0.66,1.18,0.7,4.69,0.44,4.69
01:26.19,21.22,122.0,5.0,0.0,968.0,9.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.62,6.25,0.44,5.47
01:27.98,21.61,122.0,5.0,0.0,984.0,9.0,59.0,0.66,1.18,0.14,5.47,0.48,5.47
01:29.79,21.22,122.0,5.0,0.0,952.0,11.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.1,5.47,0.4,5.47
01:31.58,21.61,122.0,6.0,0.0,980.0,10.0,59.0,0.68,1.18,0.08,4.69,0.52,5.47
01:33.37,22.0,122.0,5.0,0.0,964.0,9.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.38,5.47,0.46,5.47
01:35.16,21.61,124.0,5.0,0.0,968.0,13.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.72,5.47,0.48,5.47
01:36.94,21.22,124.0,5.0,0.0,992.0,9.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.54,4.69,0.5,4.69
01:38.76,21.22,124.0,5.0,0.0,976.0,9.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.46,3.91,0.54,3.91
01:40.55,20.83,124.0,5.0,0.0,976.0,9.0,59.0,0.66,1.18,0.66,4.69,0.5,4.69
01:42.33,21.22,126.0,5.0,0.0,980.0,10.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.38,4.69,0.54,4.69
01:44.15,21.61,126.0,5.0,0.0,964.0,11.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.08,4.69,0.52,4.69
01:45.94,21.22,126.0,5.0,0.0,952.0,9.0,59.0,0.67,1.18,0.7,4.69,0.46,4.69
01:47.73,20.83,127.0,5.0,0.0,968.0,9.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.72,4.69,0.46,4.69
01:49.54,21.61,127.0,5.0,0.0,952.0,10.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.68,6.25,0.44,5.47
01:51.33,21.61,129.0,5.0,0.0,936.0,10.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.12,6.25,0.36,6.25
01:53.12,21.22,129.0,6.0,0.0,924.0,9.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.12,6.25,0.5,6.25
01:54.93,21.61,129.0,5.0,0.0,952.0,11.0,59.0,0.65,1.18,0.72,6.25,0.46,5.47
01:56.73,21.61,129.0,5.0,0.0,912.0,10.0,59.0,0.63,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.38,7.03
01:58.51,21.61,129.0,7.0,0.0,960.0,11.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.66,5.47,0.52,5.47
02:00.33,21.61,131.0,5.0,0.0,944.0,11.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.56,5.47,0.52,5.47
02:02.12,22.0,131.0,6.0,0.0,932.0,9.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.74,6.25,0.5,6.25
02:03.94,21.22,131.0,6.0,0.0,940.0,9.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.7,5.47,0.52,5.47
02:05.73,21.61,133.0,6.0,0.0,956.0,10.0,59.0,0.64,1.18,0.12,6.25,0.52,6.25
02:07.52,21.22,133.0,5.0,0.0,920.0,9.0,59.0,0.63,1.18,0.34,6.25,0.48,6.25
02:09.33,21.22,133.0,7.0,0.0,940.0,9.0,59.0,0.63,1.18,0.1,5.47,0.52,6.25
02:11.11,21.22,135.0,6.0,0.0,932.0,11.0,59.0,0.63,1.18,0.36,5.47,0.54,6.25
02:12.91,20.83,135.0,6.0,0.0,964.0,10.0,59.0,0.63,1.18,0.4,5.47,0.52,5.47
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02:16.52,21.61,135.0,6.0,0.0,932.0,11.0,59.0,0.6,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.52,6.25
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02:36.32,21.61,140.0,7.0,0.0,884.0,9.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.68,7.03,0.48,7.03
02:38.11,20.83,140.0,6.0,0.0,908.0,9.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.14,7.81,0.48,7.81
02:39.92,20.83,140.0,7.0,0.0,908.0,10.0,59.0,0.58,1.18,0.14,7.81,0.48,7.81
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02:45.32,21.22,142.0,7.0,0.0,900.0,11.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.08,5.47,0.52,5.47
02:47.11,21.22,142.0,6.0,0.0,900.0,9.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.64,7.81,0.5,7.03
02:48.89,21.22,142.0,6.0,0.0,884.0,10.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.68,7.03,0.48,7.03
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02:52.52,21.61,144.0,6.0,0.0,888.0,10.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.52,5.47,0.52,5.47
02:54.32,21.61,144.0,6.0,0.0,892.0,10.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.7,6.25,0.52,5.47
02:56.11,21.22,144.0,5.0,0.0,888.0,13.0,59.0,0.58,1.18,0.38,7.03,0.48,7.03
02:57.89,21.61,144.0,6.0,0.0,872.0,13.0,59.0,0.59,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.46,6.25
02:59.69,21.22,145.0,5.0,0.0,900.0,9.0,59.0,0.58,1.18,0.62,5.47,0.52,5.47
03:01.49,21.22,145.0,6.0,0.0,896.0,11.0,59.0,0.57,1.18,0.56,5.47,0.52,5.47
03:03.27,21.61,145.0,6.0,0.0,892.0,9.0,59.0,0.57,1.18,0.72,6.25,0.52,5.47
03:05.08,21.22,145.0,6.0,0.0,860.0,9.0,59.0,0.55,1.18,0.72,6.25,0.52,5.47
03:06.88,21.22,145.0,6.0,0.0,856.0,9.0,59.0,0.56,1.18,0.7,7.03,0.48,6.25
03:08.67,10.61,145.0,7.0,0.0,888.0,13.0,59.0,3.7,1.18,0.86,4.69,0.7,0.0
03:10.50,54.22,145.0,0.0,0.0,1260.0,22.0,59.0,0.52,1.18,0.48,1.56,0.0,2.34
03:12.28,16.5,145.0,1.0,0.0,2704.0,22.0,59.0,0.71,1.18,0.0,0.78,0.02,0.78
03:14.08,12.18,145.0,2.0,0.0,2288.0,25.0,59.0,0.95,1.18,0.84,0.0,0.64,0.0
03:15.88,21.22,147.0,1.0,0.0,1224.0,22.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.3,0.78,0.0,0.78
03:17.69,20.04,147.0,2.0,0.0,876.0,13.0,59.0,0.74,3.14,0.06,3.13,0.0,3.13
03:19.49,17.68,147.0,4.0,0.0,1188.0,16.0,59.0,1.04,5.89,0.14,6.25,0.0,6.25
03:21.27,16.5,147.0,5.0,0.0,1780.0,27.0,59.0,0.99,5.89,0.78,3.91,0.68,3.91
03:23.08,18.07,149.0,2.0,0.0,1816.0,27.0,59.0,1.39,8.64,0.8,0.78,0.64,0.78
03:24.88,16.5,149.0,1.0,0.0,2544.0,34.0,59.0,1.46,8.64,0.34,-2.34,0.56,-1.56
03:26.67,18.86,149.0,-2.0,0.0,2688.0,33.0,59.0,2.4,12.57,0.74,-1.56,0.64,-2.34
03:28.47,14.15,149.0,-2.0,0.0,3312.0,34.0,59.0,0.7,1.18,0.0,0.0,0.42,0.0
03:30.27,21.22,151.0,1.0,0.0,924.0,11.0,59.0,0.55,1.18,0.06,2.34,0.0,2.34
03:32.08,20.83,151.0,3.0,0.0,868.0,11.0,59.0,0.56,1.18,0.06,3.91,0.0,3.91
03:33.86,20.04,151.0,5.0,0.0,872.0,9.0,59.0,0.55,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.0,6.25
03:35.66,20.83,153.0,7.0,0.0,864.0,9.0,59.0,0.54,1.18,0.66,6.25,0.64,6.25
03:37.47,21.22,153.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,10.0,59.0,0.55,1.18,0.74,7.03,0.56,7.03
03:39.25,21.22,153.0,6.0,0.0,832.0,10.0,59.0,0.54,1.18,0.14,7.03,0.5,7.03
03:41.05,20.83,154.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,10.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.48,7.03,0.56,7.03
03:42.83,21.22,154.0,7.0,0.0,840.0,9.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.74,6.25,0.62,6.25
03:44.63,20.83,154.0,7.0,0.0,844.0,9.0,59.0,0.54,1.18,0.4,6.25,0.6,6.25
03:46.44,21.22,154.0,7.0,0.0,840.0,9.0,59.0,0.54,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.56,7.03
03:48.24,20.83,154.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,10.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.18,7.81,0.52,7.81
03:50.07,20.83,156.0,8.0,0.0,824.0,8.0,59.0,0.52,1.18,0.12,7.81,0.54,7.81
03:51.86,20.83,156.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,10.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.12,7.03,0.52,7.81
03:53.66,20.83,156.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,8.0,59.0,0.53,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.58,7.03
03:55.44,20.43,156.0,8.0,0.0,856.0,9.0,59.0,0.52,1.18,0.08,6.25,0.62,6.25
03:57.25,20.83,156.0,7.0,0.0,836.0,10.0,61.0,0.53,1.18,0.12,6.25,0.6,6.25
03:59.05,21.61,158.0,7.0,0.0,824.0,9.0,59.0,0.54,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.62,6.25
04:00.85,21.22,158.0,7.0,0.0,812.0,9.0,61.0,0.53,1.18,0.36,6.25,0.62,6.25
04:02.64,21.22,158.0,7.0,0.0,832.0,11.0,61.0,0.53,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.58,7.03
04:04.42,21.22,158.0,6.0,0.0,820.0,9.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.22,7.03,0.52,7.03
04:06.22,20.83,158.0,6.0,0.0,812.0,8.0,61.0,0.53,1.18,0.3,7.81,0.56,7.81
04:08.02,20.83,158.0,7.0,0.0,820.0,9.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.52,7.81,0.52,7.03
04:09.83,21.61,160.0,6.0,0.0,816.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.66,7.03,0.48,7.03
04:11.61,22.0,160.0,7.0,0.0,784.0,8.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.08,6.25,0.64,6.25
04:13.41,21.61,160.0,7.0,0.0,792.0,11.0,61.0,0.53,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.64,7.03
04:15.22,21.22,160.0,7.0,0.0,816.0,10.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.62,7.03
04:17.01,21.61,160.0,6.0,0.0,796.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.7,7.03,0.5,7.03
04:18.79,21.22,162.0,6.0,0.0,808.0,8.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.38,5.47,0.6,6.25
04:20.60,21.22,162.0,6.0,0.0,820.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.66,6.25,0.62,6.25
04:22.41,21.22,162.0,7.0,0.0,792.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.68,7.03
04:24.19,21.22,162.0,7.0,0.0,800.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.1,6.25,0.6,7.03
04:25.98,21.22,162.0,7.0,0.0,812.0,8.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.08,7.03,0.66,7.03
04:27.79,21.22,162.0,7.0,0.0,800.0,8.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.08,7.03,0.62,7.03
04:29.57,21.22,162.0,8.0,0.0,804.0,9.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.12,7.03,0.62,7.03
04:31.39,20.83,163.0,7.0,0.0,788.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.12,7.03,0.5,7.03
04:33.17,20.83,163.0,7.0,0.0,804.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.36,7.81,0.58,7.81
04:34.97,20.83,163.0,7.0,0.0,804.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.14,7.03,0.56,7.03
04:36.76,21.22,163.0,6.0,0.0,800.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.64,7.03,0.56,7.03
04:38.57,21.22,163.0,6.0,0.0,788.0,9.0,61.0,0.52,1.18,0.72,7.03,0.44,7.03
04:40.35,21.22,163.0,6.0,0.0,796.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.08,6.25,0.66,6.25
04:42.14,21.61,165.0,7.0,0.0,792.0,7.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.58,8.59,0.6,7.81
04:43.95,21.61,165.0,9.0,0.0,784.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.08,7.03,0.66,7.03
04:45.75,20.83,165.0,8.0,0.0,772.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.28,7.03,0.68,7.81
04:47.54,21.22,165.0,8.0,0.0,800.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.72,8.59,0.58,8.59
04:49.33,21.22,165.0,8.0,0.0,768.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.7,7.81,0.6,7.81
04:51.14,21.22,165.0,8.0,0.0,772.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.72,7.81,0.64,7.81
04:52.95,21.22,165.0,8.0,0.0,804.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.66,7.03
04:54.76,21.22,167.0,8.0,0.0,788.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.68,7.81
04:56.55,21.22,167.0,8.0,0.0,776.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.12,7.81,0.64,7.81
04:58.35,21.22,167.0,9.0,0.0,772.0,9.0,61.0,0.51,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.64,7.81
05:00.16,21.22,167.0,8.0,0.0,776.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.66,8.59,0.58,7.81
05:01.95,21.22,167.0,7.0,0.0,784.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.7,7.81,0.32,7.81
05:03.73,21.22,167.0,7.0,0.0,788.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.6,8.59,0.48,7.81
05:05.54,21.22,167.0,8.0,0.0,784.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.68,7.03,0.66,7.03
05:07.32,21.22,167.0,7.0,0.0,788.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.72,7.81,0.22,7.03
05:09.13,20.83,169.0,7.0,0.0,804.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.7,7.03,0.6,7.03
05:10.94,20.83,169.0,7.0,0.0,776.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.16,7.81
05:12.72,20.83,169.0,9.0,0.0,792.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.54,7.81,0.72,7.81
05:14.52,21.22,169.0,8.0,0.0,760.0,7.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.18,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:16.29,21.61,169.0,9.0,0.0,780.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.08,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:18.10,21.22,169.0,9.0,0.0,776.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.08,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:19.89,21.22,169.0,9.0,0.0,768.0,8.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:21.69,21.22,169.0,9.0,0.0,772.0,9.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.1,8.59,0.7,8.59
05:23.48,21.22,171.0,9.0,0.0,756.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.66,7.03
05:25.29,21.22,171.0,8.0,0.0,792.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.24,7.03,0.7,7.81
05:27.07,21.22,171.0,8.0,0.0,784.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:28.88,21.22,171.0,8.0,0.0,772.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.14,7.81,0.66,7.81
05:30.67,21.22,171.0,7.0,0.0,756.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.72,7.81,0.6,7.81
05:32.47,21.22,171.0,7.0,0.0,752.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.12,7.81,0.6,8.59
05:34.26,20.83,171.0,9.0,0.0,768.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:36.07,20.83,171.0,8.0,0.0,764.0,8.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.08,7.81,0.68,7.81
05:37.85,21.61,172.0,9.0,0.0,768.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.16,7.03,0.72,7.81
05:39.66,21.22,172.0,8.0,0.0,760.0,10.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.08,7.03,0.7,7.03
05:41.45,21.22,172.0,8.0,0.0,764.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.68,7.81,0.68,7.81
05:43.23,20.83,172.0,9.0,0.0,792.0,7.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:45.04,21.22,172.0,9.0,0.0,764.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.64,7.03,0.7,7.03
05:46.82,20.83,172.0,7.0,0.0,764.0,5.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.72,7.81
05:48.63,21.61,172.0,8.0,0.0,760.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.7,7.03,0.7,7.03
05:50.42,21.22,172.0,6.0,0.0,768.0,8.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.34,7.81
05:52.23,21.22,172.0,9.0,0.0,776.0,7.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.72,7.81
05:54.01,21.22,174.0,8.0,0.0,780.0,9.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
05:55.82,20.83,174.0,9.0,0.0,756.0,9.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.12,7.81,0.68,7.81
05:57.61,20.83,174.0,8.0,0.0,768.0,9.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.68,7.81
05:59.41,20.83,174.0,8.0,0.0,772.0,10.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.08,7.81,0.7,7.81
06:01.23,21.61,174.0,8.0,0.0,740.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.7,7.81
06:03.02,20.43,174.0,8.0,0.0,796.0,7.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.68,7.81
06:04.82,21.22,174.0,8.0,0.0,760.0,7.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.03,0.7,7.03
06:06.61,20.83,174.0,8.0,0.0,752.0,7.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.68,7.81
06:08.41,20.83,174.0,7.0,0.0,768.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.72,7.81,0.62,7.81
06:10.20,20.83,176.0,8.0,0.0,776.0,7.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.5,7.81,0.64,7.81
06:12.01,21.22,176.0,8.0,0.0,748.0,7.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.74,7.81,0.68,7.03
06:13.79,20.43,176.0,7.0,0.0,772.0,8.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.3,8.59,0.5,8.59
06:15.60,21.22,176.0,8.0,0.0,744.0,7.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.7,7.81,0.52,7.81
06:17.41,20.83,176.0,7.0,0.0,784.0,8.0,61.0,0.5,1.18,0.14,7.81,0.56,7.81
06:19.20,20.43,176.0,9.0,0.0,776.0,9.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.72,7.81
06:21.00,20.83,176.0,8.0,0.0,740.0,9.0,61.0,0.46,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.7,7.81
06:22.79,20.83,176.0,8.0,0.0,788.0,11.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.74,7.81,0.66,7.03
06:24.57,20.43,176.0,7.0,0.0,772.0,8.0,61.0,0.49,1.18,0.16,8.59,0.68,8.59
06:26.38,20.43,176.0,8.0,0.0,796.0,9.0,61.0,0.47,1.18,0.12,7.81,0.66,7.81
06:28.17,20.43,180.0,9.0,0.0,804.0,8.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.1,7.81,0.72,7.81
06:30.01,22.0,180.0,9.0,0.0,760.0,4.0,61.0,0.48,1.18,0.18,7.03,0.74,7.03
06:31.79,0.0,180.0,7.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.04,0.0,0.72,0.0
06:33.58,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.02,0.0,0.72,0.0
06:35.39,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.02,0.0,0.72,0.0
06:37.17,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.02,0.0,0.7,0.0
06:39.00,27.9,180.0,0.0,0.0,116.0,5.0,61.0,0.35,0.79,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:40.80,15.72,180.0,0.0,0.0,1432.0,21.0,61.0,0.71,1.18,0.06,0.0,0.36,0.0
06:42.60,18.47,180.0,0.0,0.0,1104.0,16.0,61.0,0.59,1.18,0.92,0.0,0.8,0.0
06:44.42,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,756.0,19.0,61.0,0.57,14.54,0.92,0.0,0.68,0.0
06:46.23,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,116.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.0,0.0,0.8,0.0
06:48.01,29.86,180.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.22,0.79,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:49.83,55.4,180.0,0.0,0.0,1344.0,16.0,61.0,0.91,9.04,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:51.63,24.75,180.0,0.0,0.0,916.0,5.0,61.0,2.45,34.58,0.02,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:53.42,19.65,180.0,0.0,0.0,11704.0,2.0,59.0,11.77,14.93,0.04,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:55.23,10.22,180.0,0.0,0.0,7396.0,34.0,59.0,1.66,14.93,0.06,0.0,0.06,0.0
06:57.04,18.86,180.0,0.0,0.0,2140.0,30.0,61.0,1.41,10.22,0.5,0.0,0.0,0.0
06:58.85,27.5,180.0,0.0,0.0,2088.0,38.0,61.0,0.72,1.18,0.02,0.0,0.0,0.0
07:00.64,0.0,180.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,61.0,0.18,0.79,0.02,0.0,0.0,0.0
 
I was hoping for a while that it could be something so simple as that, but I already replaced the CTS and the readings in the log above seem to be within acceptable parameters. Did some reasearch and found that my O2 sensor readings seem alright. Now I'm leaning towards fuel trim. Here's another log:


Time,Load,Coolant,Short Term Fuel Trim 1,Long Term Fuel Trim 1,RPM,Speed,Timing,Air Temp,Airflow,TPS,O2 1 Bank 1,O2 Trim 1 Bank 1,O2 2 Bank 1,O2 Trim 2 Bank 1
00:01.97,24.36,81.0,0.0,0.0,1164.0,0.0,17.0,64.0,0.95,1.18,0.04,0.78,0.0,0.78
00:03.93,22.79,82.0,2.0,0.0,1208.0,0.0,15.0,64.0,0.97,1.18,0.1,3.91,0.0,4.69
00:05.88,22.79,82.0,3.0,0.0,1224.0,0.0,16.0,64.0,0.93,1.18,0.1,4.69,0.6,4.69
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08:27.94,20.83,190.0,-1.0,6.0,752.0,0.0,7.0,66.0,0.45,1.18,0.2,0.78,0.52,0.78
08:29.89,20.04,190.0,0.0,6.0,752.0,0.0,8.0,66.0,0.48,1.18,0.42,0.78,0.66,0.78
08:31.83,20.43,190.0,0.0,6.0,768.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.45,1.18,0.72,0.0,0.7,0.0
08:33.79,20.43,190.0,0.0,6.0,752.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.46,1.18,0.7,0.0,0.72,0.0
08:35.76,20.04,190.0,0.0,6.0,756.0,0.0,7.0,66.0,0.45,1.18,0.74,0.0,0.74,0.0
08:37.72,20.83,190.0,-1.0,6.0,764.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.44,1.18,0.58,-0.78,0.72,-0.78
08:39.69,20.43,190.0,0.0,6.0,764.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.46,1.18,0.7,0.78,0.72,0.0
08:41.65,19.65,190.0,-1.0,6.0,752.0,0.0,3.0,66.0,0.46,1.18,0.14,0.78,0.5,0.78
08:43.63,20.43,190.0,1.0,6.0,760.0,0.0,8.0,66.0,0.43,1.18,0.68,-0.78,0.74,-0.78
08:45.59,20.04,190.0,-2.0,6.0,780.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.46,1.18,0.2,0.0,0.46,0.0
08:47.53,20.43,190.0,0.0,5.0,756.0,0.0,3.0,66.0,0.48,1.18,0.76,0.78,0.72,0.78
08:49.51,20.04,192.0,0.0,5.0,796.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.45,1.18,0.72,0.78,0.62,0.78
08:51.46,20.43,192.0,0.0,6.0,768.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.47,1.18,0.3,0.0,0.7,0.0
08:53.40,20.04,192.0,1.0,6.0,748.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.47,1.18,0.1,0.0,0.76,0.0
08:55.35,19.65,192.0,1.0,6.0,820.0,0.0,13.0,66.0,0.46,1.18,0.1,0.0,0.76,0.0
08:57.33,20.43,192.0,0.0,5.0,760.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.45,1.18,0.06,-0.78,0.76,-0.78
08:59.28,22.0,192.0,0.0,5.0,772.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.5,1.18,0.14,0.0,0.06,0.78
09:01.22,20.04,192.0,1.0,5.0,812.0,0.0,9.0,66.0,0.52,1.18,0.66,1.56,0.82,1.56
09:03.19,40.08,192.0,2.0,6.0,780.0,0.0,11.0,66.0,0.51,1.18,0.04,2.34,0.04,2.34
09:05.15,0.0,192.0,2.0,6.0,324.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.18,0.79,0.84,0.0,0.82,0.0
09:07.11,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.18,0.79,0.86,0.0,0.8,0.0
09:09.08,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.18,0.79,0.88,0.0,0.78,0.0
09:11.03,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,66.0,0.18,0.79,0.9,0.0,0.78,0.0
09:12.97,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,0.79,0.92,0.0,0.76,0.0
09:14.94,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,0.79,0.94,0.0,0.74,0.0
09:16.90,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,0.79,0.96,0.0,0.72,0.0
09:18.84,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,0.79,0.98,0.0,0.68,0.0
09:20.80,0.0,192.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,1.96,0.98,0.0,0.66,0.0
09:22.76,0.0,190.0,0.0,6.0,0.0,0.0,5.0,68.0,0.18,23.97,0.98,0.0,0.64,0.0

Both ignition coils checked out alright cool and warm for primary resistance, the manual isn't too clear about measuring secondary resistance. I've been looking at a lot of datalogs trying to find something that doesn't line up with mine, found a thread about understanding ignition timing, scottsee said that max timing is about 16-17, I had a peak of 35 at 4520rpm. So that's waaaay off.
 
I replaced the fuel filter and the RPM no longer dwindles so severely, and I noticed my PCV was pretty gunky so I'll be picking up a new one.


time cool. temp STFT LTFT RPM timing air temp air flow TPS
512.57 180.0 1.0 0.0 1084.0 13.0 64.0 0.63 2.36
513.87 180.0 1.0 0.0 1084.0 13.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
515.19 180.0 1.0 0.0 1100.0 13.0 64.0 0.65 2.75
516.5 180.0 0.0 0.0 1120.0 13.0 64.0 0.63 2.75
517.81 180.0 0.0 0.0 1060.0 11.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
519.11 180.0 0.0 0.0 1104.0 13.0 64.0 0.63 2.36
520.41 180.0 1.0 0.0 1096.0 13.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
521.73 180.0 2.0 0.0 1080.0 11.0 64.0 0.63 2.75
523.04 180.0 3.0 0.0 1056.0 11.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
524.33 180.0 5.0 0.0 1048.0 11.0 64.0 0.65 2.36
525.65 183.0 5.0 0.0 1068.0 11.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
526.94 183.0 5.0 0.0 1072.0 11.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
528.26 183.0 5.0 0.0 1044.0 10.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
529.56 183.0 5.0 0.0 1104.0 13.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
530.87 183.0 6.0 1.0 1096.0 13.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
532.18 183.0 5.0 1.0 1076.0 11.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
533.48 183.0 5.0 1.0 1100.0 13.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
534.78 183.0 5.0 1.0 1056.0 11.0 64.0 0.65 2.75
536.09 183.0 4.0 2.0 1096.0 13.0 64.0 0.63 2.75
537.39 183.0 5.0 2.0 1048.0 10.0 64.0 0.62 2.36

---------------
686.29 196.0 -2.0 2.0 1216.0 15.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
687.58 196.0 -2.0 2.0 1216.0 16.0 64.0 0.63 2.36
688.9 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1184.0 15.0 64.0 0.65 2.75
690.21 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1176.0 15.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
691.51 196.0 -2.0 2.0 1216.0 15.0 64.0 0.64 2.36
692.81 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1204.0 15.0 64.0 0.63 2.75
694.11 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1224.0 15.0 64.0 0.64 2.75
695.42 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1180.0 15.0 64.0 0.65 2.75
696.71 196.0 -4.0 2.0 1200.0 15.0 64.0 0.64 2.36
698.02 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1232.0 16.0 64.0 0.64 2.36
699.33 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1240.0 16.0 64.0 0.65 2.75
700.66 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1276.0 17.0 64.0 0.63 2.36
701.95 196.0 -4.0 2.0 1252.0 16.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
703.26 196.0 -4.0 2.0 1260.0 17.0 64.0 0.62 2.75
704.58 196.0 -3.0 2.0 1248.0 16.0 64.0 0.63 2.36
705.88 196.0 -4.0 2.0 1008.0 9.0 64.0 0.54 2.75
707.18 196.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 5.0 64.0 0.18 1.96
708.48 196.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 5.0 64.0 0.18 1.96
710.56 196.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 5.0 64.0 0.18 1.96
711.85 196.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 5.0 66.0 0.18 1.96

I also did a BLT and didn't find any major leaks.
 
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I replaced the power transistor and knock sensor, no change. It keeps dying about 195 degrees, the cooling fan never even kicks on. It'll go about 10 minutes on a cold start, restart and run maybe a minute, and then just crank and not catch. What else could it be? Could it be the ECU even though the check engine light turns off and none of the caps are popped? I noticed a yellowish hue to the board in some areas. I'm at my wits end here, I don't know what else to do.

The car will run fine for maybe ten minutes, the datalogger never shows temps above about 195 degrees, it doesn't dwindle down in RPM since I replaced the fuel filter, now it just starts catastrophically misfiring and dies. Really, really suddenly, it'll be running fine ten minutes and then just start bouncing the tach =/- 1k rpm.
 
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