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Brandonjffrs96

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i have a 7 bolt that should be making 500 to all 4 once im finished with it and we all know at that point the rods are a big concern. anyways im looking into Manley turbo tuff rods with je pistons. is this a good combo? or would yall recommend something else. ill be running a fp black if that should be taken into consideration.

are wiseco better than the je? kinda need some help on this one.
 
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Standard Manley or Eagle rods are sufficient for that power. More important is the fuel you're using and intended use, that will help determine compression and piston composition.

I would think some Wiseco or Manley pistons would be fine as well.
 
Standard Manley or Eagle rods are sufficient for that power. More important is the fuel you're using and intended use, that will help determine compression and piston composition.

I would think some Wiseco or Manley pistons would be fine as well.

e85 is a must. if you dont mind id really appreciate a link to what you would recommend.
 
I am assembling a 7 bolt right now with Eagle 5900 H beam rods and Wiseco 855 pistons. It should handle 500 with no problems on 40#s of boost and E85. I run Manley H beams and Pistons and big boost on a 6 bolt and she likes it.
I beams are good to around 1000hp. Bigger wrist pins would have been nice on this build is all, but the .200" pins are what I have to work with and they'll do. This build sheet shows .004 PTW clearance but I am actually going with .005"
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Ring gaps for big boost are very important also, so if you arent sure, ask when you get there. I have my values I use and work good, I am sure others have their "special sauce" too!
 
Ring gaps for big boost are very important also, so if you arent sure, ask when you get there. I have my values I use and work good, I am sure others have their "special sauce" too!

ill definitely keep that in mind. would these work for me? might be a dumb question but im a body guy not a motor guy. especially when it comes to the 4g's, i dont know much. stock head if that matters

https://www.extremepsi.com/store/Br...ishi-Eclipse-4G63-7-Bolt-and-EVO-VIII-IX.html

https://www.extremepsi.com/store/Wi...0-1-C.R.-92-99-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-7-Bolt.html

Wiseco owns JE, I'm not a fan of either, but Wiseco is the lesser of two evil's.

can you send me a link or two of what you'd recommend. i have atm a mostly stock 98 gsx. im gonna be running a fp black on e85. what rods, pistons, etc should i buy for the bottom end.
 
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Yep. Those rods are almost identical to the Eagle 5900s. Pistons are the same that I have except mine are lower compression, 8.3:1, and .020 oversize.
 
Never had any issues out of a Wiseco piston. Have a few friends with some higher hp dsm's as well, they run Wiseco with no issue.

If you have access to e85, higher comp pistons. Lower compression for lower grades fuel.
 
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I have my red Talon, she's seen 614
Blue Talon shows 450-480
White GSX shows right at 300
The Red and the Blue Talons both have H beams and Manley Pistons. Red car at 10:1, Blue at 9:1. I run constant 33#'s on low boost. On E85 they both turn into a whole lot more. Well, the Red car was on E with that reading. My Blue car is on craptane 91 gas, soon to be on E.
All figures were with drivetrain loss figured in but its just the best I can do in my part of the country.
These motors aren't complicated, you just have to understand them. We can all help out on here.

The higher the compression, the harder to control timing. E does like it but easier to boost MORE on lower 9:1s and run on gas if need be. I go from 5* max on gas to 18*+ on E so the power really comes in then.
I DO run those pistons in the Red car motor but they are ceramic coated with 22mm pins.
 
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Never had any issues out of a Wiseco piston. Have a few friends with some higher hp dsm's as well, they run Wiseco with no issue.
Google "Cracked Wiseco piston", you will see that some people have had problems with them and not just on 4g63 applications, I was always a Wiseco fan, and I had bought a set and was ready to install them, I ended up selling them off and I bought custom pistons instead, I just couldn't bring myself to go with them after the wrist pin that came with them had "made in Taiwan" on the outside of the cheap cellophane packaging. I still like the company as a whole as far as customer service goes because they are generally quick to respond with questions or with problems, with that being said, if your running the Wiseco pistons only run the HD version, they seem less prone to the cracking issues, I have been at Wiseco, in the front office, where the customer service reps work and the manufacturing buildings there, good people who make good products, I just dont like the automotive off the shelf stuff that they sell, bike stuff no problem, custom stuff no problem.

can you send me a link or two of what you'd recommend. i have atm a mostly stock 98 gsx. im gonna be running a fp black on e85. what rods, pistons, etc should i buy for the bottom end.
http://www.venolia.com/forged-pistons.html

https://wossnerpistons.com/pages/auto

https://pauter.com/parts/rods/

These are the ones I had made
http://www.venolia.com/gallery/images/products/pistons/import/mitsubishi-4G63-piston.jpg.html


It all depends on your budget and the amount of time you want to wait for these parts, several of those companies above do not stock parts, they make them to order, just be aware of that, I am of the mindset that I would want room to grow without another tear down and selloff of parts only to buy parts a second or third time to hope to get it right this time, for me I would rather save up for another month or two and wait longer to have custom parts made myself because as everyone knows your goals for your car will increase when you get bored with 400hp, then again at 500hp and then again at 600hp, etc etc, so why not just get the best right out of the box? I personally am to poor to buy cheap.
 
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http://www.venolia.com/forged-pistons.html

https://wossnerpistons.com/pages/auto

https://pauter.com/parts/rods/

These are the ones I had made
http://www.venolia.com/gallery/images/products/pistons/import/mitsubishi-4G63-piston.jpg.html


It all depends on your budget and the amount of time you want to wait for these parts, several of those companies above do not stock parts, they make them to order, just be aware of that, I am of the mindset that I would want room to grow without another tear down and selloff of parts only to buy parts a second or third time to hope to get it right this time, for me I would rather save up for another month or two and wait longer to have custom parts made myself because as everyone knows your goals for your car will increase when you get bored with 400hp, then again at 500hp and then again at 600hp, etc etc, so why not just get the best right out of the box? I personally am to poor to buy cheap.

im curious about the wossners. i read they re good for high performance vehicles but how do i know if they are the right one for me? it has no specs or compression on them.
 
Looks like it would do the job!
 
I see you're in Michigan. Just take your engine to these guys and they'll get you setup with a proper combo. They use custom Diamond pistons in their assemblies.

https://www.whalentuned.com/collect...-dsm-product-line/products/v1-dsm-short-block

It seems like you're new to DSM's, yeah? What made you decide to go with an FP black? They're pretty lazy if this is a street car. I see in your profile you're looking for 500 at the crank? A black is really oversized for that. You could do it easily with E85, an FP red, and some new version Kelford 272's. You can probably do that with a FP green on E85 honestly. Both the red and green are significantly better street turbos, much more responsive.
 
I see you're in Michigan. Just take your engine to these guys and they'll get you setup with a proper combo. They use custom Diamond pistons in their assemblies.

https://www.whalentuned.com/collect...-dsm-product-line/products/v1-dsm-short-block

It seems like you're new to DSM's, yeah? What made you decide to go with an FP black? They're pretty lazy if this is a street car. I see in your profile you're looking for 500 at the crank? A black is really oversized for that. You could do it easily with E85, an FP red, and some new version Kelford 272's. You can probably do that with a FP green on E85 honestly. Both the red and green are significantly better street turbos, much more responsive.

yeah im fairly new to dsm's but i wanted one for years. after doing a lot of research and thinking i decided that i want at least 500 to the wheels but nothing over 600whp. i know a guy whos been a huge help and he sent me a parts list that im going off of. he personally has a ball bearing precision turbo but said that the black would be a good turbo if i ever wanted to shoot for more power. as i said though i dont want anything crazy and i heard if you dont have at the very least 500whp the black wont even open up. but if you do have 500 plus itll put you in the seat at 5k-8k. anyways i am still considering a red or green instead. i have gsc power division billet stage 2 cams (274/274) in the parts list btw. nothing is really set in stone yet other than the fact that i want 500ish to all 4 wheels and id like to run 10's down the quarter. feel free to add your thought and or concerns.

changed my mind to these rods
https://www.extremepsi.com/store/Ma...7-Bolt-4G63T-and-EVOLUTION-VIII-IX-150mm.html
 

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yeah im fairly new to dsm's but i wanted one for years. after doing a lot of research and thinking i decided that i want at least 500 to the wheels but nothing over 600whp. i know a guy whos been a huge help and he sent me a parts list that im going off of. he personally has a ball bearing precision turbo but said that the black would be a good turbo if i ever wanted to shoot for more power. as i said though i dont want anything crazy and i heard if you dont have at the very least 500whp the black wont even open up. but if you do have 500 plus itll put you in the seat at 5k-8k. anyways i am still considering a red or green instead. i have gsc power division billet stage 2 cams (274/274) in the parts list btw. nothing is really set in stone yet other than the fact that i want 500ish to all 4 wheels and id like to run 10's down the quarter. feel free to add your thought and or concerns.

changed my mind to these rods
https://www.extremepsi.com/store/Ma...7-Bolt-4G63T-and-EVOLUTION-VIII-IX-150mm.html

Personally I think there are a myriad of better street turbo setups than a black. Yeah it’s bolt on, but are you really that concerned with it? For instance, a Morrison fab consolidated twin-scroll T3 manifold with an hx35 and E85 will put you at over 500whp at the wheels, run 10’s, and have a massively better powerband for the street. There are a ton of different combos like that, just depends on budget. I would also definitely consider the new kelford 272R, as it outperforms the GSC S2. Buy once, cry once on the rods as well, get I-beams.
 
I had the same goal as u before and I’m glad I went with turbo tuff rods and Wiseco HD’s 0.20 over @ 8:5 comp also e85.made 661whp on a bolt on fp3575 @38lbs. You’ll always want more power. Build it right the first time :hellyeah:
 

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I had the same goal as u before and I’m glad I went with turbo tuff rods and Wiseco HD’s 0.20 over @ 8:5 comp also e85.made 661whp on a bolt on fp3575 @38lbs. You’ll always want more power. Build it right the first time :hellyeah:
How much boost were you pushing?
 
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