Rebuild Time

[Grimis]

Ok, i've searched, read and reread alot of posts about rebuilding. I've gotten alot of info and i have the sticky post its to prove it. My goals are mild to some that I have read, looking to punch threw the 350hp mark or even 400hp but on pump as I have read dont think so (or rather what i read).

Starting with a 99 shortblock, going to have it gone over, new freeze plugs,hot tanked, decked(if needed) linehoned, bored if needed etc ( i can see the cross hatching in the cyl's so the shop thinks someone has been in it to rering it).

Im going to have put in ACL bearings, but im running into a problem. I want stronger rods, but dont want to go all out. Im looking at Scat rods, but would it be odd to put mitsu pistons on them? other then that, every thing is strat forward.

FP 18g turbo (with all the install goodies)
Fp race manifold
Presion 780 injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Walbro 190lph (w/ rewire)
Dejon Intake kit
cxracing fmic (just the core will do custom piping i think or will go with a ETS setup)
Punishment O2 dump
Megan Racing 3" downpipe with 3" cat (then to my apexi n1)
DSMlink

as for the head, getting a pressure test, valve guide check and all that jazz and throwing in a 272exhaust (fp2)/264 intake(fp1) or just both FP2 (272) and call it a day.

I have a BSEK already and most of my gaskets, just suck on my rod issue, i dont want to go all out forged as i dont realy need it just i dont trust the 144k rods that i have or the 121k rods that i have in my 95 block that i havent desided what to do with yet....

anyinput would be greatful. thanks guys. (and gals i know your out there)

 

[phunny]

FP 18g turbo (with all the install goodies)
Fp race manifold
Presion 780 injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Walbro 190lph (w/ rewire)
Dejon Intake kit
cxracing fmic (just the core will do custom piping i think or will go with a ETS setup)
Punishment O2 dump
Megan Racing 3" downpipe with 3" cat (then to my apexi n1)
DSMlink

Sounds like we're going for the exact same hp numbers. I would go with larger injectors, you'll pay the same price for them so why not? You're gonna run dsmlink like I am so there is no difference. If you're going go get a FPR get a 255 pump, same thing, almost the same price. Not sure how much the FP 18G is but I know I'm gonna go with something larger, probably a 20G or a G35R. As for the scat rods, I think I read on here that they aren't really any better than the 1G stock rods. And for now at least, I'm going to stick with the stock cams, I want her to idle normal for now. Good luck with the build.

 

[Grimis]

yeah, ill probably change the injector size as with LINK you can make anything run like stock. as for the fuel pump w/rewire im not into the 255's wine as i've been reading and with the Hp i plan on running, 190 should be fine, any thing is better then the stock pump. As for the scat rods, there a bolt on , and having the 1g rods machined to fit, i dont want to piss with them. Thanks for your input

I know how it idles stock so im going diffrent cams heh.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

My suggestions: Pay a little bit more and get a 20g. The 18g is a very capable turbo. One of my friends is running one and it kicks butt. But it has its limitations. Don't pay the machine shop to put freeze plugs in do that yourself. It is easy. Do as much work yourself that you are comfortable doing. Also, like he mentioned above, get the 255lph pump and 1000cc's injectors. Because, they are the same price and you are going to have the ability to control it all anyway. It also gives you the option of running E85 if you wanted to in the future, since you will have plenty of fuel delivery. If you don't want to pay for scat rods get 1g big rods and have them machined to fit the 7bolt crank and the 2g pistons. That should be strong enough to support your HP numbers. I have a set of used 1g Big rods for sale PM me for details.

 

[phunny]

I wonder why some guys complain of the 255's whine. I can't here a thing. And if the 1G rods are stronger and still cheaper after being machined......... Up to you though, keep us informed on what you decide.

 

[BrokenTsi]

For your hp goals, I would just do a stock rebuild. But I wouldnt go with an 18g. Save the money on rods and pick up some type of garett bolt on, such as a 50trim etc...

 

[BrokenTsi]

I wonder why some guys complain of the 255's whine. I can't here a thing. And if the 1G rods are stronger and still cheaper after being machined......... Up to you though, keep us informed on what you decide.

I have a bosch 044, and its louder then my entire car. You can hear it from 200 ft away, . Inside the car is 50 times worse. I dont mind it.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

I wonder why some guys complain of the 255's whine. I can't here a thing. And if the 1G rods are stronger and still cheaper after being machined......... Up to you though, keep us informed on what you decide.

Shoot if your worried about the whine don't even get a 190. I had a 255 in my old talon and went with the 190 in this one. I can tell you that they both are loud. Just get over it. You'll get so used to it that you won't even know it's there.

 

[Grimis]

thanks for your input. 1g big rods are $85 each, plus the machining add 35 to each 85x4+(35x4)= $480 and then what ever arp bolts are. Scat rods broken down is $80 a rod and they come with arp. Its not that i'm thinking scats are junk or not better then the 1g, my question is , would it be ok to mate them with stock 2g pistons.

as for the turbo I have kicked around a PTE 50trim, but I liked the evo3 that i had prior to this mess, I'll keep kicking the turbo setup around.

 

[ChunkyLover53]

Sure it would be fine to mate 1g rods or Scat rods with your 2g pistons. I just put Wiesco pistons onto Eagle rods, and the machine shop had to hone out the rods just a tiny bit to get the wrist pin to fit correctly anyways. It was only like 15 bucks, although my cousin used to work for the owner. Any machine shop should be able to assemble your rods and pistons for you for reasonably cheap. Having them assemble the short block can get semi pricy though. Don't feel discouraged about wanting Scat rods over 1g's, that is a totally justified buy. They are both good just depends on what you want. But might I suggest forged pistons also .

 

[dsm-onster]

thanks for your input. 1g big rods are $85 each, plus the machining add 35 to each 85x4+(35x4)= $480 and then what ever arp bolts are. Scat rods broken down is $80 a rod and they come with arp. Its not that i'm thinking scats are junk or not better then the 1g, my question is , would it be ok to mate them with stock 2g pistons.

as for the turbo I have kicked around a PTE 50trim, but I liked the evo3 that i had prior to this mess, I'll keep kicking the turbo setup around.

No 1g bigrods are 50 bones for 4 used ones. Used rods are as strong as new ones. They are cast. 1g big rods and 2g pistons have been an DSMer favorite for years and 500whp capable.

Don't bother with a non-mhi turbo for your goal. If you do have higher asperations an used hx35 or h1c will blow a 50-trim away with spool speed and topend while being cheaper as a bolt-on. But, the evo3 16g is the best option for you considering your goal.

If you want 350whp and much faster spool the small 16g is even better.

 

[Grimis]

thanks dsm-onster, I'm looking around for rods, probably will go scat if my current ones are out of spec or some other issue. For pistons, if mine check out a-ok ill reuse them with new rings if not might look into ross or wiesco something along them lines.As for the MHI turbos, Ill be sticking with the 18g or the evo3 ported.,

Ill keep ya updated as I plan on taking lots of pictures