rebuild and want local parts and help

KeelesKustome · Jan 8, 2011

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here is one for you. explain this, i don't have a voltage meter with me so i am using a test light.
the light is grounded, i touch the starter relay pin and turn the key forward and the light comes on, when i release the light goes off. working normally.
so then i go to the starter relay, the same thing, so it's working even though it isn't making a clicking sound.

so here i decide well lets check the fuel pump, i turn the key to acc, touch the wire and my light comes on, but here is the kicker, so does my fuel pump.
as long as i hold my test light to it it'll stay on, i let go and the fuel pump kicks off......i even here the relay click to work when i do so.. what in the heck does this mean?

neither 12 or 25 light the test light up

nothing on 71 as well

does that mean my relay in behind the radio is bad? i swapped it out twice.

my mhi relay does not have a constant 12v power supply for some reason when the key is not in the ignition.. why? my engine 20amp fuse isn't blown either, nor are any others that i can see.

my 91pin isn't black, it's black with a red stripe, and if i am looking at the wrong one.. by chance the other side is black with a white stripe

DeviantBoost · Jan 8, 2011

KeelesKustome said:
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here is one for you. explain this, i don't have a voltage meter with me so i am using a test light.
the light is grounded, i touch the starter relay pin and turn the key forward and the light comes on, when i release the light goes off. working normally.
so then i go to the starter relay, the same thing, so it's working even though it isn't making a clicking sound.

so here i decide well lets check the fuel pump, i turn the key to acc, touch the wire and my light comes on, but here is the kicker, so does my fuel pump.
as long as i hold my test light to it it'll stay on, i let go and the fuel pump kicks off......i even here the relay click to work when i do so.. what in the heck does this mean?

neither 12 or 25 light the test light up

nothing on 71 as well

does that mean my relay in behind the radio is bad? i swapped it out twice.

my mhi relay does not have a constant 12v power supply for some reason when the key is not in the ignition.. why? my engine 20amp fuse isn't blown either, nor are any others that i can see.

my 91pin isn't black, it's black with a red stripe, and if i am looking at the wrong one.. by chance the other side is black with a white stripe

Did you try to ground pin 38? this should energize the mfi relay and your ecu will see power on pins 25, 12.

KeelesKustome · Jan 8, 2011

no, i did not know to do that....... if it doesn't work do you know how to bypass the neutral safety switch on a automatic, it's on the tranny in the bay.

1gdsmftw · Jan 8, 2011

there is a plug on the trans you mate together...from what i was told its a red wire and a black wire that is mated together..but i dont remember which

KeelesKustome · Jan 8, 2011

solid red and solid black wires?

i connected the neutral saftey wires, red with black stripe big, to the black big wire... nothing changed.

i tried grounding the last mentioned wire, it already had ground and i added one, nothing changed,
i ran from the 30 amp fuse power to the #12 and 25 pin the ecu starts up and shows the ecu light for 5 secs, so thats a sign the ecu is good i do believe. problem being the relay still isn't triggering the starter and the fuel pump..... why.....?

also side note, now when the ecu is working so does my keychain to lock and unlock the doors, i checked to make sure it wasn't the security system again and it is not...
please shoot me some more ideas to do, as i have swapped every othe mfi plug in the car where this one is and it isn't changing a thing, and i know they are good because i have tested them in other spots. the mfi plug seems to not be making it's ground properly,, where should i look for this at?

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okay so heres what i have done, the mfi relay: i added a ground to the side that wasn't getting it for some reason.... this allows the starter to now crank over.
although the ecu light isn't comming on because it's still not getting power.
so i add the 30 amp fuse direct path power wire to one of the terminals, i think 25, noww the fuel pump kicks on and it turns over and the cel light comes on for 5 seconds,
I am here by myself so checking for spark is hard, i manage, and i have none.
I can only assume that the relay is messing that up too... i think what the heck is going on with this?

i have swapped this relay numerous times and still nothing,, and how come i am not getting fire even bypassing it.?

1gdsmftw · Jan 9, 2011

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drivetrain-tech/387109-auto-manual-electrical.html

KeelesKustome · Jan 9, 2011

thanx i am pretty sure the n saftey isn't causing my ecu to not get power though.
anymore ideas?
did you read what i did with the relay? and it's results?

alrighty: no responses still ehh. who wants to help burn my car? :ohdamn:

what can i say? syptoms have slighty changed.

tonight i put the original relay back in, i have added a ground to the side that doesn't seem to want to ground on it's own, and the car will turn over like none other. but still no fuel pimp or ecu light..so i put my hard wired power wire to pin 25, the fuel pump and ecu light do their thing, i checked to see if pin 4 &5 get power when i turn the key and they do,, it's delayyed and blinks like it's surging the power or something.
although
pin 10 ignition power transitor( a to coil for cyl 1&4) , pin 38 mfi relay power supply
pin 71 ignition switch, pin82 ignition switch 1g all do not recieve any power with how i have it setup with the hard wired power wire,

so i know i still have problems but i don't understand where? whats also interesting is with this setup i plugged in my dsmlink and it works, it allowed me to manipulate all the functions normally.. this blew me away, as i didn't expect it to work.
something odd as well is the neutral saftey switch on the tranny keeps randomly making a clicking sound, sometimes it's a short burst of sound, other times it is a long click sound.

correct me if i am wrong but the neutral saftey switch would keep it from turning over right?
if so is this why i have to add a ground to the relay for it to turn over?

but would that keep the ecu from seeing power?

or is it causing the mfi relay to not ground thus not sending power to the ecu as well?

DeviantBoost · Jan 13, 2011

Try and jump pins 5 and 4 on your starter relay connector un plugged and leave your hard wire to pin 25. Does your hard wire have continuity to pin 12 and the rest of the MFI power wires like on the diagrams?

KeelesKustome · Jan 14, 2011

still haven't figured that issue out, right now i have been trying to figure out how to get my driver side axle seal out, and found this helpfull link, only to realize i think they sold me the wrong part! pissed.

Please help me with axle seal questions

KeelesKustome · Feb 1, 2011

does anyone have some stock fuel injectors or maybe even a slight larger?
I'm about to put a stock ecu on my car to see if it will remedy my problem, if it does, I'm gona put the stock injectors and send my dsmlink ecu off to be repaired and drive the car easy untill i recieve it back, I'm not rich, but i do have parts we could also barter out with a lil cash.

rtincher22085 · Feb 1, 2011

"I have some blue top 1g 450's" "and Black top 2g 450's"

1gdsmftw · Feb 1, 2011

dsm pawn shop has some stock injectors for like 50 bucks

BlackMount · Feb 1, 2011

Look under the dash @ the ignition plug under your steering wheel (on 1G's it is your Blue and Black plug) look for 1 or 2 larger black wires with yellow stripes if you have had one installed or the car had one at some point it splices into 1 of those wires, if the System locks down, or malfunctions the car will not start like u described.

This happened on my Talon and 1GDSMFTW's DSM, all you need to do is pull out the spliced wires and connect the two original wires together where they were cut and car should start. (some of this may be different from 1G and 2G but the idea is the same so look for anything like this)

EDIT: can't remember if this was mentioned before but on the back of your starter there will be a little male end tap that you plug a female end connector on to, if this is loose or disconnected car will do as you described.

KeelesKustome · Feb 2, 2011

ohh man your behind check out this thread, i have been working on.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/388852-no-power-ecu.html

rtincher22085 said:
"I have some blue top 1g 450's" "and Black top 2g 450's"

price with shipping? do they have the seals on them?

KeelesKustome · Mar 4, 2011

Alright progress has been made.

i changed my main power wires from the battery to the alt , the fuse block and to the ignition switch with my old wires and it fixed my issues.
I now have headlights.
my ecu is receving power
my fuel pump relay is reciving power for some reason it's not sending the power through to the black with a blue stripe signal wire to the pump.\
So i ground pin 8 the white and red wire and the relay clicks but it still does not recieve power.
The mfi relay is also not clicking or sending any fire signals out.

this wire harness had the 1 plug mfi/fuel pump relay, i thought i could make it back into 2... even though i am pretty sure i have all the wires correctly it seems as though this harness needs the one relay to complete the ciruit of sorts... the problem i am having is if you can swap it to the 2 plug design, i need accurate photos of which wire goes where.
also i am looking to buy a 1 relay setup and i can't find the relay anywhere... i need help finding one, please help me.

KeelesKustome · Apr 18, 2011

local help has been a no go. :notgood:

but i manage

night shots comming this weekend.

got her buffed and waxed and spiffy all the way around, she's baaaaack.