raise your hand if you have made over 300+ hp on a 16g

[Black95TSIawd]

I went 12.1 @ 112 when I had my 16g on and the car weights 3400 pounds with me in it.

 

[SuzukiRidr326]

im pushin 296.4 HP on 92 octane pump gas, runnin 15lbs with no fuel system mods, with mininal bolt on mods

 

[FonZ454]

im pushin 296.4 HP on 92 octane pump gas, runnin 15lbs with no fuel system mods, with mininal bolt on mods

That's really good power for that boost level. What kind of dyno?

 

[mnetwork]

im pushin 296.4 HP on 92 octane pump gas, runnin 15lbs with no fuel system mods, with mininal bolt on mods

This is wheel? How did you make that on 15psi with 92 octane...

 

[4pistons]

I put down 267whp at AMS on my 14b at about 18 psi. Figuring 20% awd loss that's 320 flywheel hp. I just recently stepped up to E316G and hope I can get 385 fhp on a DD tune.

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[bastard dsm]

with 375hp on the small 16g i ran 12.3 at 114mph in my galant, the 14b can go a long way.
if you can figure out how to make power without just throwing a bigger turbo on then you will
get more for your money.

 

[marshall13]

was putting down 330 to the wheels on a 16g before my car started running like crap after I quit racing it and switched it to 91 pump gas.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Im starting to feel this thread is worthless, I got tired of hearing about or throwing around dyno numbers, unless your using it for sake of comparison on what different mods do to your own car .
Most of you should already know this, but for the newbies that read the thread, you cant compare any of these numbers to each other, nor trust them that they were caliberated right, there all on different dynos,at different climates/times, and on different types of dynos at that...

FonZ454's car for an example, he's trapped 119mph at the track on pump gas with the 16g, but his dyno only says hes making 309 to the wheels last time he went.
At least in my opinion , when comparing one cars performance to another, or who has the better 16g car for sake of this thread, just go by what was ran at the track, and dont get caught up in the other little details because for the most part thats all that really matters isnt it?
I know a lot of cars that have made good power but were always slow...
So basically if you claim you make 400awhp on a 16g but say your only trapping 113 in the 1/4 then screw your dyno sheet...

Sorry for that little rant.

 

[pneumo]

Dynojets read high.
2G's and Galant R4's are heavier.
If you put those two together and you could have good dyno numbers with a low trap speed.

 

[tim4g63fast]

not only is weight a issue with trap speed but the driver and traction as well.

dyno's may differ but so does air quality, traction, driver ability, track quality ect ect

I had a friend run a 12.0 @115 and a 11.8 @111 back to back with a change of tires.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I agree, your right, 2gs/vr4s are heavy, not everyone does weight reduction, not everyone beats the shit out of there car at the track. My point is, at the end of the day all of that is excuses. Your either fast or your not.
I hear all these high 16g h.p. numbers etc, but hell when I look thru different times lists, like dsmtimes.org for example, looking at the 16g times the majority of the times are 13s and slower. I hate to see that when more people could be running faster times in these cars, especially with all the people whos claiming 300+ awhp, theres probably only a couple of people in this thread thats been 11s on a 16g, much less 11s on a 14b like Pneumo.
Maybe these type of threads should emphasize more focas on what times have you/ can you pull off with your car and work on making it faster. Im just saying maybe theres too much focas on only dyno numbers. But once again I could just be completely rambling because I just woke up so nevermind me...

 

[toofast82]

I think a lot of people that run 16gs upgrade well before they have gotten the most out of them. A lot of the lower power cars probably dont have extensive timing/fuel control and arent running very high boost(22psi+) Obviously a nice set of cams will help quite a bit but can be done without

 

[Black_Bullet]

True, but theres plenty of slow big turbo cars also though^
And yea Ive always thought its better to get the most out of one setup before going bigger because it will be that much more, umm, "better" once you do put a bigger turbo...

 

[toofast82]

"True, but theres plenty of slow big turbo cars also though^
And yea Ive always thought its better to get the most out of one setup before going bigger because it will be that much more, umm, "better" once you do put a bigger turbo..."

I couldnt have said it better myself!
Plus i'd feel pretty crappy if i had a big turbo and I got smoked by a 16g car

 

[Black_Bullet]

Plus i'd feel pretty crappy if i had a big turbo and I got smoked by a 16g car

Yea me too, unless they were spraying .
Ive beat several cars with bigger turbos than me though.

 

[tim4g63fast]

I agree, your right, 2gs/vr4s are heavy, not everyone does weight reduction, not everyone beats the shit out of there car at the track. My point is, at the end of the day all of that is excuses. Your either fast or your not.
I hear all these high 16g h.p. numbers etc, but hell when I look thru different times lists, like dsmtimes.org for example, looking at the 16g times the majority of the times are 13s and slower. I hate to see that when more people could be running faster times in these cars, especially with all the people whos claiming 300+ awhp, theres probably only a couple of people in this thread thats been 11s on a 16g, much less 11s on a 14b like Pneumo.
Maybe these type of threads should emphasize more focas on what times have you/ can you pull off with your car and work on making it faster. Im just saying maybe theres too much focas on only dyno numbers. But once again I could just be completely rambling because I just woke up so nevermind me...

well this thread was more to just emphasize to a friend (honda boi) that 300hp out of a dsm is not exactly hard to attain with the 4g63 platform there are plenty of people running 1/4 times fast enought to assume that its possible. As he told me it was highly unlikly to pull those numbers from a turbine of that size. He brought up the size of the shaft ect ect blah blah blah.... hes wrong I just wanted to make it clear to him and show him that people not only were making 300hp on them but beyond.

I think a lot of people that run 16gs upgrade well before they have gotten the most out of them. A lot of the lower power cars probably dont have extensive timing/fuel control and arent running very high boost(22psi+) Obviously a nice set of cams will help quite a bit but can be done without

thats becayse its not only easier to run a larger turbine and make more hp but it is easier on the engine running lower boost and flowing more cfm as well at extends the life of the turbocharger itself.

I can see why people say use the 16g to its full potential then upgrade to see the greatest gains but there is some gray area there. Who determins the 16g's potential when there are people making over 400hp on these, its attainable but nearly inefficent as a street car. where as switching to a larger turbine makes for a much more streetable setup.

 

[FonZ454]

Yep, I've learned to accept that whenever I take my car to the dyno something will cause it not to put down it's full power... or the thing just won't dyno where it should be. I think my car is afraid of them.

HP numbers are good for talking about, but the whole setup (car, power, driver) is what matters the most IMO. And making it all work as a whole!

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

I can see why people say use the 16g to its full potential then upgrade to see the greatest gains but there is some gray area there. Who determins the 16g's potential when there are people making over 400hp on these, its attainable but nearly inefficent as a street car. where as switching to a larger turbine makes for a much more streetable setup.

To a certain extent. Go too large and it's barely streetable. I consider a turbo that spools above 4500-5000 unstreetable. Then again, I love the insta-torque my S16G gives me at 25psi!

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Yep, I've learned to accept that whenever I take my car to the dyno something will cause it not to put down it's full power... or the thing just won't dyno where it should be. I think my car is afraid of them.

HP numbers are good for talking about, but the whole setup (car, power, driver) is what matters the most IMO. And making it all work as a whole!

I know exactly how you feel. Put mine on the dyno Saturday. Halfway through my first pull the ignition fuse blew. No one had another one laying around. So, we pushed it off and a buddy of mine brought me a fuse from O'Reilly. Started back up and haven't had problems since. Ran out of time to put my car back on though. Everyone was like, "The DSM broke!!"

So, I've got half a dyno pull to 4500rpm that shows 262AWHP (still on the rise) 314AWTQ (peaked at about 4k)

I'll be going back shortly to get some more dyno time in. Will be at the track this Friday! Hoping for a low 12sec pass.