Possible set up, what do you guys think?

[TheGreatGSX]

Finally have some money and a reason (T25 blew) to start upgrading my 97 GSX. My HP goal is 275-300, possibly 350 a little more down the road. I don't see myself going any higher than 350 though.

My current part list is:
small 16g or Evo III turbo (Still deciding)
Install kit for 2g
190 Walbro Fuel Pump
Rewire kit for 190
Boost Leak Tester
Turbo Timer
Flashed ECU (DSMChips.com)
Datalogger

I'm also getting the timing belt replaced, gaskets, and other maintenance done at the same time.

And just out of curiosity, how much horsepower can you get out of a 2g before getting into tuning and all that other good stuff. I would like to stay away from the tuning stage as of right now as I do not have the time, but at the same time I would like a little more umph out of it.

Appreciate any help or advice.

 

[knochgoon24]

I'm running a small 16g, a rewired 190 pump, and 680cc injectors.

If you want 300hp, you'll have to do some sort of tuning. Even a SAFC II should be able to handle it.

I'd recommend a 98/99 ecu. You can get it already programmed for whatever injectors you want to run. They'll also fix the fuel maps and timing and give you more umph there.

You can run a 16g with the stock injectors, but you really can't hit your goals unless you go to bigger injectors.

 

[L0ckett]

Personally I would go with the Evo 3 16g, 255 pump, bigger injectors, and something as small as an SAFC for tuning. I have a feeling that once you hit your power goals you are going to want to go faster and make more power. It happens to all of us, . You might as well go bigger now and buy once.

 

[pboglio]

I'd rethink the decision to not go to a tuning device. Something along the lines of ECMLink or the like would be my first mod franky, way before any turbo upgrade.

 

[TheGreatGSX]

Personally I would go with the Evo 3 16g, 255 pump, bigger injectors, and something as small as an SAFC for tuning. I have a feeling that once you hit your power goals you are going to want to go faster and make more power. It happens to all of us, . You might as well go bigger now and buy once.

I won't want anymore power, trust me. Biggest reasons I don't want to get in over my head and I just don't have the time or want to risk anything since this is a DD.

The upgrade paths on this site don't mention tuning or bigger injectors until the 300 - 400+ range. I might be looking at it wrong though.

 

[Jesse__c]

tuning becomes neccessary with more HP but you can still see nice gains or smoother ride from tuning in the beginning.

 

[TJCTalon]

Trust me my friend. Your gonna wanna tune it. I know I need to. I have a 14b and a rewire and its rich as H***. I have horrible gas mileage. My next upgrade is going to be DSM link. You dont want to be going through 2 tanks of gas every week on your dd. Just my op.
Taran

 

[TheGreatGSX]

What's the difference between a SAFC and SAFC II. I have absolutely no experience with tuning, does an SAFC or SAFC II come plug n play or will I have to mess with it.

I'm running a small 16g, a rewired 190 pump, and 680cc injectors.

If you want 300hp, you'll have to do some sort of tuning. Even a SAFC II should be able to handle it.

I'd recommend a 98/99 ecu. You can get it already programmed for whatever injectors you want to run. They'll also fix the fuel maps and timing and give you more umph there.

You can run a 16g with the stock injectors, but you really can't hit your goals unless you go to bigger injectors.

Where do I get a 98/99 ECU already programmed for whatever injectors I want to run?


Also, since I obviously need to get a turbo on it since the T25 has blown, is it ok to get the new turbo on it (small 16g or Evo III) with a 190 Walbro fuel pump and it be ok until I can get some kind of tuning done to it, I obviously wouldn't be boosting over stock until then.

I guess I should also note that although I have money, I am still on a budget. The reason I want to stay away from the 255 walbro is I don't feel like getting an afpr. My budget is about $1000 with the aftermarket parts, with the turbo being $500.00 even from a friend whether it be a s16g or a e316g. That leaves me about $500.00 for everything else.

 

[streetdsmpwr]

Where do I get a 98/99 ECU already programmed for whatever injectors I want to run?

Jeff from dsmchips.com sells flashed 98/99 ecu's for $110 if you have a 98/99 ecu core to give him.

Does anyone know anyone else who flashes 98/99 ecu's besides Jeff O.?

 

[TheGreatGSX]

What's the difference between a 98/99 ECU and my 97 ECU? I know I know, I ask a lot of questions, but I'm just trying to learn everything I can before I start upgrading anything. Also, I like to know my options. Thanks to everyone so far who gave me advice and knowledge, I appreciate it.

 

[streetdsmpwr]

I don't know too much about this stuff but here is where I read about it, check the links on the last post of the thread:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/359502-have-you-heard-evo-scan.html

All I know is that for some complicated reason only the late 98 and all 99 ecu's can be flashed, the rest are useless except for the 95 EPROM ecu's.

 

[TheGreatGSX]

Ok, my new list after doing some research. Let me know if i am missing anything...

Small 16g or Evo III
Install kit for 2g
190 Walbro Fuel Pump
Rewire kit for FP
SAFC or SAFC II? (Still don't know the difference)
Wideband O2
Datalogger

My only concern is, I have no idea how to use a SAFC or datalogger, I'm hoping there user-friendly or someone could point me in the right direction, again I have no experience with tuning at all, although I am willing and eager to learn.

 

[Lavery]

Turbo Timer might be a good idea. Not "Necessary" though.

 

[TheGreatGSX]

I don't know too much about this stuff but here is where I read about it, check the links on the last post of the thread:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/359502-have-you-heard-evo-scan.html

All I know is that for some complicated reason only the late 98 and all 99 ecu's can be flashed, the rest are useless except for the 95 EPROM ecu's.

Thanks for the link and info, appreciate it!

The more and more I research stuff, the more and more I get confused. Like, most people on here are always preaching you need this, this, this and this to get x amount of horsepower and safely.
And I read threads on here of people reaching 350-400hp with stock injectors and either a 14b turbo, or a 16g variant and a 190 walbro. I know every car is different and what not, but by these other peoples threads, and by the upgrade path index on this website, I should be able to reach the 275 - 300hp range and be ok with the stock injectors, right?

 

[streetdsmpwr]

I'm in the same position as you right now, so I don't that much about data logging and tuning. FYI the SAFC II is just the newer version of the SAFC. I still have to get my exhaust done, wally 190 and rewire, and reflash my ecu before I'm gonna get a FP Big-28. All of the stuff you want to get sounds good. IMO upgrading the turbo without tuning it is a waste. When it comes to tuning I'd leave it to the experts or find someone in your town that can do it. I'm planning on getting a base reflash from dsmchips.com and then either fine tuning it myself if I can learn how to do it or go to Buscher Racing or something. From what I've read tuning is a lot harder than it looks. You can run the small 16g without the fuel pump, just keep the boost around 12 psi (not completely sure about that). Check out the chart on this page:
Road Race Engineering's Eclipse Fuel Delivery Upgrades

 

[KazooGS-T]

I think ECMlink offers an option for your ecu to be compatable, if that's so... Might as well save the money you will spend on all that other stuff and go with that speaking that it has a wide availability of information and tuning help on the forums they offer. You will spend about the same in the long run and be set for good.

 

[TheGreatGSX]

Seems like I'm going to skip the SAFC and go with a flashed ECU. It sounds much easier and less time consuming. I wish I had the time to learn how to tune myself. Ok, so the new list goes like this

Small 16g
190 Walbro
Rewire kit for 190
Flashed ECU (DSMChips.com)
Datalogger
Turbo Timer