Please stop!

[turbo8u]

dont worry man im far from being offended, i love gsx's dont get me wrong.

the fact of the matter is, you have to actually have some knowledge of automotives to make a 420a powered 2g fast (lets assume low 12's are "fast") we dont have all the luxuries of a bagillion turbo manifolds and aftermarket everything for the 4g63. i mean, for crying out loud NO ONE has made even a decent camshaft for a turbo 420a yet, ... theyre all modeled after the neon cams (which are escentially the same, but very different head flow dynamics)

anyway to each his own im not a hater of any dsm whatsoever, and when a mustang pulls up to me and hears me lobing and my turbo houling he definately knows im turbo,

 

[Denji]

I dont think it was a question whether someone could tell if your car is turbo, the fact of the matter is, an average mustang driver doesnt know that you dont have the factory turbo eclipse err talon.

 

[turbo8u]

i dont know about you....but i could care less about mustang owners,

 

[DiabloRT]

Quite frankly, I wish Mitsubishi only made the 5-speed GSX and no other models in the Eclipse.

That would be nice. It would lay to rest the problem of the NA 4G63 and 420A cars giving the Eclipse a wishy washy performance reputation. This has nothing to do with the fact you can make a NA fast, it has to due with the posers with unfast NAs getting beat by minivans, mustangs, and suvs.

Unfortunately, in the real world, $ is the ultimate ruler.... Hence the RS, GS, GS-R. Many folks liked Eclipse and did not have the $ for the turbo models(or the knowledge of them). Therefore, the NA models made up the bulk of the sales.

The NA cars may have actually bolstered the line. If the NA car didn't exist, the line may have severly undersold and died due the the price tag of the turbo models.

So in a way, the NAs kept the line alive with sales volume.

My perfect vision of a 5-speed GSX only model is nothing more than a pipe dream.

I am just displeased with the representation by the majority of eclipse....because the majority of eclipse are NA, and their performance isn't anything that would rival the mustang/camaro/other crowd.

I would say the wrost representation was the GS-R model....the GS with the turbo wing and the OZ wheels. They made it look like a turbo car, but it didn't have the balls to back it up.

Do not use this post as fuel for the fire......I am simply talking about relatively stock vehicles.

I know you can take a NA and go 10s with it. Thats not the point. My point is I only wish the majority of Eclipses were 5-speed GSXs, because the performance rep with be much higher.

 

[GSleeper]

some of you havent ridden in a turboed 420a, its great. the little neon motor put out tons of power with a turbo add on, sure its better to just grab a turbo model but sometimes is hard to find!

 

[etx]

My 420a is quicker than most of the 4g63's around here. I've smoked every 4g tha lines up with me. Car's a car, motors a motor. It's what you do with it that counts.

 

[DiabloRT]

My 420a is quicker than most of the 4g63's around here. I've smoked every 4g tha lines up with me. Car's a car, motors a motor. It's what you do with it that counts.

Imagine if you put thant much $ and effort into a 4G63......

 

[danielbui]

i have the real answer to all of the 420A guys. the reason you don't have a Neon is because they are Ugly (except SRT-4) so you bought the 420A version eclipse/talon ect.... because it looks beautiful and it was dirt cheap and still in good condition and insurance was pretty low. yeah some of you guys can't go without a vehicle because this is your transportation and only transportation but you want it to look good and yeah go fast so you start saving money and modding little here and little there saving money enough for a turbo kit. remind the 4G63'ers if they waited to save their money 1. they would not have a job because they never had a car to start and 2. with no job no money. and once a certain point is reached they are content with what they have and yes enough money to fund Americas hungry and some of Paris Hilton's shopping habits but they are content. they know they're car is a SHEEP IN WOLF'S CLOTHING (you like that i switched it around, you know like they normally say.....) nevermind anyways thats it. yes it would be best if Ludachris started a site for these ENGINELLY CHALLENGE folks but he hasn't and for right now they are here to Stay. and that my friends is the bottem line.......................

daniel bui

 

[Redmachine]

Lets just try to answer the question posted on the thread and only supply our opinion when asked.

opinion's are like assholes everyone has one

AND THEY ALL STINK HAHAHAH

Seriously that is the best advise right there, stick to the questions at hand and not offer advise that makes the person asking feel low about the purchase of their dreams.

Yeah My car was cheap, but dependable, Yeah I like throwing aftermarket shit on it, do I want a turbo hell yeah. I love all dsm's except galants/mirages, they are just ugly....J/K.....seriously uck...:laugh:

 

[prop7459]

A SRT-4 is still ugly. Its just a neon with a wing, 17 wheels, and a hood with a scoop. I have a friend back in South Florida that has taken off these three things off and now looks like SXT Neon.

Back to the topic, the fact is that many of us have the 420a because at the time most of us who bought it couldn't afford to buy. Personally speaking when I bought my 420a I was forced to buy one, I looked all over the place to find 2g 4G63. I had $4k to spend and couldn't find one for that price. So the next best thing 420a. I wasn't going to buy an ugly 1g so the 420a was a keeper. Just after I bought the car someone in my complex bought a red GST. The worse thing ever was one of my friend bought a grey GST from an old lady for 3500 with 80k on the motor. Just after that I wanted to sell my car for a 4g. Then I started to read thread after thread about both cars. Even though the 420a was a little pricey to hook up it was worth buying to playing around before I get tired with it.

Unless you for 4g guy are driving the first 1g you don't really have to worry about C-Walk. All 2g motor WILL C-Walk at some point. So the money to do a 1g 4g into the 2g is about the same price if a person with 420a wants to turbo it. Making big power in a 2g motor is just stupid without the 1g swap.

A motor is a motor, you 4g guy act girls about this particular situation, even the moderators . Man if a person wants to spend I million on his cars let him spend it. Don't bash him for having the 420a. Like someone said earlier if it wasn't for the 420a selling so much which was cover the butts of the expensive turbo model, Diamler would have stop the turbo model for sure. Just me, Diamler learn from its mistake with the Conquest/Starion by not having a base model.

 

[2fast420a]

Unless you for 4g guy are driving the first 1g you don't really have to worry about C-Walk. All 2g motor WILL C-Walk at some point. So the money to do a 1g 4g into the 2g is about the same price if a person with 420a wants to turbo it. Making big power in a 2g motor is just stupid without the 1g swap.

This is just complete and utter crap. There are tons of people who have made and still make consistant power with the stock 7 bolt. Crankwalk is an anomily that happens to a small percentage of 2Gs 4G63 motors. This little piece of hype is one of the reasons I bought my 420a. Then I said screw it and bought the 4G63 and to this day I have no walk. In fact there are several people around me here that have the 4G63 2G and none have walked. One guy is has been boosting over 300hp for over 140K miles.

Secondly a 1G swap into a 2G is nowhere near as expensive as doing a built motor in a 420a. Seriously I realize a lot of people are getting sand in thier thier vaginas over this thread but the fact of the matter is I could have saved all the money I dumped into my 420a and just bought a 2G AWD in addition to my NA DSM and put the money into modding it. If I had to do over again that is what I would have done. Just because you don't like the advice given doesn't mean it is wrong. You can't just go out and buy one and then come to a board where people take performance VERY seriously and expect them to pat you on the back for your decision.

 

[lowridin2g]

Crankwalk is an anomily that happens to a small percentage of 2Gs 4G63 motors.

although i am right now on the 7 bolt stil with almost 78k, I definetly DISAGREE with that statement.

 

[2fast420a]

Crankwalk is an anomily that happens to a small percentage of 2Gs 4G63 motors.

although i am right now on the 7 bolt stil with almost 78k, I definetly DISAGREE with that statement.

Disagree all you like the statistics don't lie. The thing is you will always hear about people who crankwalk, buty you'll never hear a peep from the ones who don't. Besides what is your basis for disagreeing when your own 2G motor is not walked?

 

[DiabloRT]

The whole crank walk thing is largely dependent on two things IMO.


1. A heavy clutch will start wearing away the trust bearing faster on ANY car.....usually most of the wear is at start up. Two Supras I know of did that when they did many starts while setting up thier EMS. Solution.....unplug the clutch safety start switch. This will allow you is start in neutral without depressing the clutch. Start it without the clutch and wait 30 to 60 at least to let the oil start properly lubricating the bearings. I do this on my 97 GST and my 92 6-bolt TSI AWD.

2. Oil. There has been an idea that the oil squires on the 2G 7 bolts also conbtribute to the problem. I change my oil eveyr 2k with full syn and use a bosch filter on the TSI and a Mobil 1 filter on the GST. I let the motor warm up a little before driving to get oil to the bearings, especially the trust. I also let the motor cool down to.

Both of these practices should reduce the chance of CW.

 

[Defiant]

Okay. It's now degenerated into the old crankwalk squabble. Looks like the question will remain as unanswered as always.

It'll still be up to the person spending the money. I guess we won't be killing anyone after all.

What a let-down.


Jesus, 2K on synthetic. Now, there's a crime.

Closed.