Please stop!

[96GSEclipse]

I see people telling other people to just sell their NT cars and buy GST's or GSX's and it gets annoying. There are reasons why we don't/can't sell our NT cars and just buy a new one. If we wanted to, we would buy the turbo cars and not ask for advice on purchasing a turbo kit but we don't. We ask for advice so that you will help us, not by telling us to sell our car. If you don't have any good advice, don't even bother replying. IT'S ANNOYING, let us do what we want!

 

[selmerguy]

well said.

 

[Gary 420A RS]

 

[Defiant]

You can count on it not stopping, because it's a non-sensical exercise.

No need to be thin-skinned about it, it's not a personal affront to you and your efforts.

With very rare exception, the finished, turbocharged 420A is fragile, finicky, trouble-prone, expensive, unreliable, impractical and foolish. For all the effort and expense, its performance can't approach a 4G63T with half as much modification.

For someone (and usually, a 17-year-old-kid, whose post I replied to apparently is why you started this thread) new to the performance car market, it's especially dicey.

It's your choice if you choose to tread this rocky path, of course. But it's also incumbent upon us to advise beginners to step back and look at the possible courses to a given goal. They may find the train ride across the plains much more practical than a sailing ship 'round the Horn.

 

[Dallas J]

Most people buy DSMs for their band for the buck. They dont look bad either, but they ARE built like crap.

If you cant afford a turbo in the first place, then why turbo it later? If all the sudden you are making more money, then sell the car to get something actually worth something, and has potential.

Also when you turbo a GS or RS what does the value do? I would suspect that that engine is on its way out if someone was selling a turbo'd GS or RS.

4g63s are already turbo, and actually have a resale value.

-Dallas J

 

[Demagosos]

then i say just say it once maybe put a read me on it....then its said and wont be said again, cause honestly, how would u like it if everytime u asked a question about ur car they told you to go buy and evo for some reason or other....gets annoying after a while in my opinion...lets just say...."some people suggest buying a dsm with a stock turbo before u start modding it because....." and end of story

EDIT: and actually i think there is stuff on this subject already in the advantage vs disadvanges post....so why say something that has been said already?

 

[Dallas J]

EDIT: and actually i think there is stuff on this subject already in the advantage vs disadvanges post....so why say something that has been said already?

Werd, Cant argue with that. .

I guess some people just put values on different things that others. Me having had several turbo cars, I dont have to worry about turboing a N/T.

But.. If I didnt have one, I would get an old mirage or colt and motor swap to a 4g63. It may be old school, but it wont still be slow with the turbo

-Dallas J

 

[miteclgst]

I think that, for most people, the reason they suggest buying a turbo 4g63 car rather than persue a turbo kit on a 420A is simply because they are taking a practical approach to it. As Defiant stated the addition of a turbo to a N/A 420A comes with a plethora of problems. I understand that you (N/A guys in general) are attached to your vehicles, and like most people, can't simply drop your car to get another. When it comes down to it, it is your car, however you spend your money on it is your business, if you want a turbo kit then simply ignore the people who are telling your otherwise.
I deal with this every day at work, people buy 60's mustangs for 3K and they want a restoration. Both of the owners at work tell these people, hey the car will only be worth 10K totally restored, so why spend 30K on a restoration? Why not start with a Chrysler that is selling for around 40K or so? then you will at least get your money back. And every once in a while they will actually get through to someone and that person will just get the car fixed up and drive it. Most, however, opt for the full package, and when it is over they realize what a loss they took just to have a nice mustang.
Everyone here is looking out for your best interest when it comes to this issue, they have their reasons for saying what they are saying. They don't want you to end up sinking thousands of dollars into your car and have something that drives marginal and dosn't even touch the potential performance of the stock turbo counterpart.
This is a forum that is mostly dedicated to the performance enhancement of the 4g63 turbo cars. It's sad to say but most any other posts will get flamed. I mean there isn't a lot of people here that agree with the whole "whatever floats your boat" attitude. Asking the turbo question here is like owning a V6 mustang and going on the Cobra forums for "go fast" advice.

 

[truECLIPSE]

As you said most of us have attatchments to our car and DO NOT want to sell it simply because it means so much to us. I personally had a great deal on mine with all the bells and whistles so I am not looking to sell it for the stuff I see around here (concerning dsms). N/T guys (for the most part) aren't looking to make 500 horsepower beasts instead maybe something in the 14s or 15s and to use as a daily driver. To me it makes more sense to save the money I would have spent buying a gst/gsx, turbo a gs, and be making 50 more horses.

 

[Demagosos]

I completely understand what your saying, but i ask you this, if its said once why must it be said again? Are n/t people that ignorant not to understand ur viewpoint from the first time? Personally i agree with u, if i could afford one, i would get a gst/x unfortunately my parents bought me this car (as my first car) and i would prefer to start on this one anyway...

 

[Catbox_95]

You N/T guys make sense to me, and I'm a turbo guy. I've modded everything I've owned! I would get pissed if I asked someone what I could do with my wife's Nissan Maxima and the only advice they would give was "Just sell it and get a Skyline".

You have an N/T. Maybe not your first choice, but it's what you have. You want to improve on what you have. Go for it.

 

[Defiant]

then i say just say it once maybe put a read me on it....then its said and wont be said again, cause honestly, how would u like it if everytime u asked a question about ur car they told you to go buy and evo for some reason or other....gets annoying after a while in my opinion...lets just say...."some people suggest buying a dsm with a stock turbo before u start modding it because....." and end of story

EDIT: and actually i think there is stuff on this subject already in the advantage vs disadvanges post....so why say something that has been said already?

Oh, god, don't we moderators just wish. Then we'd never have to re-explain FWD to AWD conversions, unplugged speedometer cables, whether DSMs are imports or domestics, how much power? How much boost? BOV venting, gas tank size, gas mileage, MBC hookup, provide a fuse box map, AT to Manual conversion instructions, which trans (etc.) fluids, why the oil pressure gauge reads almost 0 at idle, Cyclone motors, noises- harmonic balancer/balance shaft bearings, crushing oil coolers, which spark plugs, what oil type and weight, why there's lifter noise, what All-Motor means, gas tank size, largest tire/wheel that'll fit, bumping threads, stock boost level, how to spell "Breaks", why belts squeal, why the turning circle's so big, what double-clutching is, and what that pagoda/Ferris wheel/parthenon/Fort Knox/gazebo/bird cage/Lincoln Memorial/air filter/school house/circus tent light means. Or, keep re-posting this link:

http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/

 

[miteclgst]

Everything on this site is repition. It's someone asking the same question as someone else did 2 years ago, these cars have been around for a while and so have the paths toward upgrading them. I agree with you guys that what you do is your business, I blatantly said that in my post. But if you think that a thread is going to change the way this community thinks then you're sadly mistaken. If you come on here with a body kit and 1,000 whp you will be called a ricer. That hasn't changed since the day this was started. I never post questions about exterior mods because all of the threads go the same way, 3 people say "do what you please" while 80 others call you a ricer Rules about insults and banning members hasn't affected this. Just simply if you plan to do this mod and post questions about it be prepared for people to force their opinion on you even if you never asked for it in the first place. The only person that has to be satisfied with your investment is you.

 

[Demagosos]

i noticed that, and im sure i did it too....sometimes people think its just easier to ask a quick quesition and get a quick answer rather then having to search for it urself...what can i say, people get lazy thats why i try to get my specific questions in private message so i dont put u guys through that frustration u guys know a lot of information which is great and i understand why when some little noob that doesnt know the differnence between a shiftknob and a steering wheel asks a dumbass question for the 30th time u get annoyed...and on this subject, would there be anyway to kinda clean up the old threads to make it easier to look through it?

 

[ninjai_ruken]

You can count on it not stopping, because it's a non-sensical exercise.

No need to be thin-skinned about it, it's not a personal affront to you and your efforts.

With very rare exception, the finished, turbocharged 420A is fragile, finicky, trouble-prone, expensive, unreliable, impractical and foolish. For all the effort and expense, its performance can't approach a 4G63T with half as much modification.

For someone (and usually, a 17-year-old-kid, whose post I replied to apparently is why you started this thread) new to the performance car market, it's especially dicey.

It's your choice if you choose to tread this rocky path, of course. But it's also incumbent upon us to advise beginners to step back and look at the possible courses to a given goal. They may find the train ride across the plains much more practical than a sailing ship 'round the Horn.

Defiant you have a very valid and great point you are wise beyond your years. Defiant is right, for a younger person it would be better to start off with a GST or GSX if you can aford it. But if you cant a 420A is a great start. It will help you get you driving skills up to par. But once you have the cash for a turbo kit you are better off selling your car and getting a TSI, GST, Or GSX. I am 22 years old and my NT/T did kick ass. I have beat a coupel of GST's and a TSI but as you will see in one of my post's my car died on me. I spent a good sum of money and rebuilt the whole motor and now im stuck tearing the damn thing apart to find the problem. Stuck driving a GST that was built for racing...no interior, Heater, AC, just the front seats dash steering wheel, shifter, guages and role cage..NO DAMN TUNES thats what kills me. But alais I will not be rebuilding my car anytime soon as I have a child on the way and already sold my 1000RR and some other toys. The car will sit. And I will be driving my dads blazer when ever he dont need it. sorry for spelling im feeling lazy

 

[turboed420A]

I swear this a never ending battle.........

I didn't like the comparison about bringing the V6 Mustang to V8 Cobra forum.. We both have 4 cylinders.

The problems I see with the 420A are:

NO AWD
No oil jets
PCM(ECU) is located in the engine bay, which is bad for standalone conversions
NOBODY wants to dedicate the time to develop parts like what the 4G63 has. For example, the standalone plug and play. Everything has to be custom and you have to do a engine rebuild if you want to make some serious power. I know you can make ~400 easily on a stock block 4G63. But once you get down the road you will have to rebuild anyways, based on personal experience I am on my third 4G63 and all of them needed new internals (200K miles).

If you are serious about making power you end up having to replace every part anyways no matter what car you have....

As far as the value is concerned after you are done with.... WHO CARES it is your car, not somebody elses. Please do it for yourself not for the stupid reputation thing. We are not in High School anymore.

Nobody has brought up the insurance thing either, when I bought my 2GNT back in 98' I wanted to get another 4G63 but my insurance would of dropped me from my plan or charge me 300 a month If I had a 2G turbo. From that point on I ended up saving a average 100 a month just on insurance. About the 17year old thing asking stupid questions, I understand what the MODS are saying. There should be a sticky on the top of the forum that cleary states what you have to do your car in order to make HP if you want to turbo you car and what to expect...

 

[Catbox_95]

Hotrodding didn't come from guys selling their slower cars and just buying faster ones. I hate to be grass-roots, but hotrodding is about building what you have, not buying what everyone else has.

And when someone in a 4G63 car rolls up to what they think is a regular old N/T car and gets wasted, that my friends is cool.

 

[GOTNOS]

I see people telling other people to just sell their NT cars and buy GST's or GSX's and it gets annoying. There are reasons why we don't/can't sell our NT cars and just buy a new one. If we wanted to, we would buy the turbo cars and not ask for advice on purchasing a turbo kit but we don't. We ask for advice so that you will help us, not by telling us to sell our car. If you don't have any good advice, don't even bother replying. IT'S ANNOYING, let us do what we want!

I agree with you can't answer the question in a post don't answer. I also bought a NT car which is paid off by the way. I was not it to the import culture when I bought this can and now I have the car all done interior and exterior and have many sponsors and now have no choice other than to install a turbo kit. I have countless hours and alot of money into my car. It might not ever be as fast as a gsx or gst but it is paid for. I recently did purchase a turbo'd car as a daily driver I bought a limit edition VW beetle that will kill any gst or gsx with only mild modifications under the hood. It's not bad for a girls car I guess but the price was right for such a (new) fast car.

 

[miteclgst]

Turbo420A I'm sorry about the comparison, I should have said that it would be like asking how to make a Mustang GT fast on the Cobra forums. It was late at night, that is my only defense.

I can understand where you guys were comming from, I mean it's everyone's dream turbo or not, to beat a big displacement domestic. The same idea holds true for 4g63 owners, if they are set out to beat a Corvette then why not just get one in the first place? it would be easier yes? And like everyone has mentioned there are different reasons that we can't get exactly what we want when we want it. The reasons could be financial, or insurance. Whatever they are we must make due with what we have.

But as I mentioned, and Defiant mentioned before, this thread will not change anything. If you expect people who have knowledge of performance to stay in the performance forums and people with knowledge of exterior to stay in the non-performance forum you will be sadly dissapointed. These threads are full of one word answers that accomplish nothing besides keeping the thread active and upping their post record. THere are somethings that you must learn to expect on this site. People dogging you because you decide to step away from the beaten path and break the "performance mold" is one of them.

 

[ShadowWulf]

Personally, i have nothing against the big displacement domestic market. I myself previously only owned 4x4 vehicles, and off-roading was my only intrest until lately, so the import market is an entirely new thing to meI just love my 96 N/T RS, and have been putting ALOT of time and money into making it a very personal car for myself (as my wife can attest!).

Actually, the ONLY targets i have my sights set on are the damn Honda crowd. Dont ask me why but they just PISS me off. Im happy enough just smoking them and their primer fake CF hoods. As for a turbo kit, i plan on it sooner or later as soon as i can get the funds for one. Im not out to smoke GST's or GSX's......im out to fry some rice.

 

[prop7459]

Why go after the Honda crowd? They want to do the same thing as the 4g63's guys, beat on domestics. Funny to say, I have visited plenty of forums from different cars such as Nissian,s, Honda's, and Toyota's forum and found that we as DSM's are the only ones who complains like girls about making your car fast. In that case eveyone in Toyota family if they want to be fast would all be turo Supra's or Celica GT-Fours. I like the idea mention before about the EVO's guys come into your forum and bash you for C-Walkin, 15 years old power plant.

 

[siueclipse]

yeah.. no real power can come from the 420a motor. its too weak and fragile. moron.


hmmm.. interesting.. im about to cross 400whp with my 420a and there are plenty of others that already have.

long live the 420a.

 

[turbo8u]

'dont criticize what you dont understand'

to everyone who doesnt know anything about the 420a, this means you.

to the guys who have built a 420a motor and added a turbo, my hat goes off to you. the most technically inclined dsmers are 1g guys and gurus from 2gnt, thats just all there is to it.

mopar turbo engines > mitsu turbo engines

need i remind you the fastest street legal fwd 2g dsm is a 420a powered eclipse rs? stock head, stock cams. show me a 4g63 powered fwd that does that

 

[miteclgst]

I too hope the Evo guys come and bash our 15 year old power plants. They have much superior engines in their cars, Mitsu definately made a big change when they designed the Evo engine
(Incase you don't recgonize the sarcasm in my last statement here is a hint the engine found in the Evo is none other than the 15 year old 4G63)

 

[turbo8u]

this isnt another 420a vs 4g63 thread, those arguments are absolutely obsurd because theyre both proven to make good power and run good times. we're all dsm lovers, and lets not be as ignorant as the next guy and love even the NT dsm's. we're all part of a family, yet strangely divided by an engine code.