"Newer" 4g64 in a 2g

[ThunderChild]

Yes I looked into it and it would have been a terrible idea. I'm doing same project too and I will try to keep up with you since I already have a built 4g64 block.

I have a question, how are you planning on covering the extra holes on the block?

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for the extra holes, you can get some freezy plugs and some sealant. thats my plan. just measure holes, go to parts store, find proper sizes.

 

[TexasTurbo]

Why not tap threads into the holes that need plugs then use a bolt you have laying around w/ the head cut off and the shaft slotted to fill the spots like the plugs in the head do?

 

[mysticj]

i think he knows that, hes just wondering if its possible. which, i dont see why not, but the question still presents itself: why?

Weight distribution--more weight behind the axle, less off the front nose for the vehicle. Great for road racing, not too great for DD.

 

[m3th0d]

Why not tap threads into the holes that need plugs then use a bolt you have laying around w/ the head cut off and the shaft slotted to fill the spots like the plugs in the head do?

I think this will be more work than what he said >>>

for the extra holes, you can get some freezy plugs and some sealant. thats my plan. just measure holes, go to parts store, find proper sizes.

 

[arrowhead]

Hey wes any updates on that plate and final set up I am waiting for the final verdict to see if it will work, this is good stuff you are doing.

 

[mysticj]

I'm still working on the tranny mount dilemma if I can't get someone to weld/retap the mounting holes.

 

[arrowhead]

That sounds like not too big of a problem I am sure you will find the solution, if you were closer, I would do it for you, I am so interested on this that, if I were not involved in these other projects I would get a like motor and work on the solution also.

Dont give up on this.

 

[arrowhead]

Wes, come on tell us something.

 

[ThunderChild]

yea, starting to wonder if you are alright? whats the good word on this setup?

 

[WES_393]

Sorry for the huge fail on updates. When I had my trans off I put the starter plate up to the block. It is a bit off just like M3thod showed with his pictures, but enough to make it more than a simple bolt on affair. So I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas. I think an adapter plate is way out of the picture so new bolt holes would need to be welded onto the trans. And until I can pick up a spare bell housing, there won't be any further updates for a while. Like I said before, this is my on-the-side project so it will definitely take more than a few months to make some serious progress.

If anyone else is doing this project and making some progress, please feel free to post some info for the rest of us.

 

[arrowhead]

Can you post a pic? and which plate is it.

 

[mysticj]

Sorry for the huge fail on updates. When I had my trans off I put the starter plate up to the block. It is a bit off just like M3thod showed with his pictures, but enough to make it more than a simple bolt on affair. So I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas. I think an adapter plate is way out of the picture so new bolt holes would need to be welded onto the trans. And until I can pick up a spare bell housing, there won't be any further updates for a while. Like I said before, this is my on-the-side project so it will definitely take more than a few months to make some serious progress.

If anyone else is doing this project and making some progress, please feel free to post some info for the rest of us.

Sure will. Heading to the yard tomorrow to snap some pictures of the 2G starter plate with the newer 4G64 block or tranny.

 

[mysticj]

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Here is what I ran into a little bit ago ...

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In order for the tranny and engine to sit correctly I have to weld and retap the top right hole and the left one and weld a piece on the bottom right and tap a hole on it too. I don't it's a good idea but im going all in on this and I'm going to try to make it work.

P.s. Sorry for the bad pic I have poor lighting and the camera on my cell is not the best and by no means am I trying to steal this thread sorry I just wanted to share this.

Confirm on this. Also the starter bolt holes are not exactly line up, about 1/4" off when the 2G starter plate is against the G4JS tranny.

 

[zedicus]

your making this more dificult then it needs to be. you need to check out the 3g and evo comunities. all your answers are there. the plate off of one of those vehicles will make this all bolt up, no drilling and or moving dowels.

heres just one thread on evos and 4g64 swaps.
'03 Evo engine in a '01 Eclipse - Club3G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 3G Forums
this forum has info on pretty much any 4g6* and 6g7* engine. they are now building all wheel drive v6 3g cars. they have been building awd i4 3g cars for years. turbo 4g64 monsters, trans swaps, etc.

be forewarned, that 3g community is older then dirt and would just as soon skulfook a noob as help them, if you ask a question on there be prepared for a hazing. seriously, think about care bear vs pist off rattlesnake.

 

[mysticj]

It's the 'backward' G63/G64 from the 3G Eclipse/8G Galant swap in a 2G Eclipse with the DSM tranny. The upper two bolt holes and starter bolts is a no-brainer, its the remaining bolt holes that are slightly wider on the newer blocks compare to the older 7 bolt block. The picture you see above is the 2G starter plate against the newer 4G64 block.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/152892819-post14.html

 

[zedicus]

i have a 3g, i actually started in 3g's and then came here. they have been sticking other stuff in 3g's for a long time. the link i posted wasnt specific, just an example of some of the stuff they are doing.

the engine isnt backwards, the transaxle is backwards, sort of.... but then you have figured that out already or you wouldnt be trying to mount the block now.

NOTE: now the general rule of thumb in the 3g is build the 2.4l, don't swap it. so there are good write ups on doing evo heads and other things over there too.

 

[mysticj]

Here is a very rough design I'm made out of an old peice of wood we had laying aroun. The final peice will be much more slimmed down and adhere to the shape of the block and transmission. This is just to give you guys an idea of what I'm trying to make. It'll be a much more polished design once I get the starter plate. This is also assuming the entire right side of the bell housing flange is too narrow for the trans. All I can do is wait to get the starter plate so I can decide which route to go.

Keep in mind the location of the slave cylinder and front tranny mount.

 

[arrowhead]

Anything new to report on the plates or the bolt holes?

 

[mysticj]

Anything new to report on the plates or the bolt holes?

Needs a bracket on the front side and an offset dowel/bolt hole setup on the starter side.

 

[m3th0d]

I'm going to pick up on this project after I had to drop it do to alot of OT at work. Thinking of making a sandwish bracket for the front holes this way there will be no modifying on the block itself. As soon as I get started on it I will upload pictures of the whole process.

 

[bryanwheat]

If you build a plate that goes between the bellhousing and engine than you will have to shim out the flywheel to make up for the difference.

 

[m3th0d]

If you build a plate that goes between the bellhousing and engine than you will have to shim out the flywheel to make up for the difference.

Im not building a plate that will be in between so it will not be necessary to shim anything. I have to put up a picture so you guys can understan what I'm talking about.

 

[cpoindexter]

hyundai sonata and santa fe. Kia optima. 99-04. the dsm head will make the compression around 11.5:1

Is there a link I can follow to learn more about this engine and what it would take to put in a 1g? Sounds like a fun high hp budget build.

 

[bryanwheat]

Is there a link I can follow to learn more about this engine and what it would take to put in a 1g? Sounds like a fun high hp budget build.

You won't be putting this in a 1g. Yes you might be able to adapt it to the transmission, but there are no holes on the front or rear of the block for the front and rear motor mount brackets to bolt to. Is you want a 2.4 in a 1g than you are going to need to find a 6 bolt g4cs

 

[m3th0d]

You won't be putting this in a 1g. Yes you might be able to adapt it to the transmission, but there are no holes on the front or rear of the block for the front and rear motor mount brackets to bolt to. Is you want a 2.4 in a 1g than you are going to need to find a 6 bolt g4cs

All of the sudden I'm lost or the thread went off course. Back on topic fellas.