NEWBIE GSX or GST

[motomattxxx]

If you buy a 2g you can buy a gst and convert it to an awd later if you dont like the gst.

 

[shawn1g awd]

I have had a 2g gsx and i have a 1g gsx and i know alot of gst heads that swear up and down the gst is faster on the highway and top speed bla,bla,blah.when the gst and gsx were made the gsx should have had extra horsepower to compensate for the extra weight of the awd,but as for the gst beating the gsx on top speed i beg to differ cause my gsx took out a few gst,s on the highway and my 2g was modded mildly.i even had gst,s that didn,t want to race me cause i was the gsx.don,t get me wrong iam not hating on the gst its a cool car as we,ll but nothing beats the snug comfort of the awd.and if u got a gsx and know someone who has a gsx add a few modds to compensate for your extra weight of awd and take on a gst the results will be different compared to a stock gsx.

 

[motomattxxx]

I have had a 2g gsx and i have a 1g gsx and i know alot of gst heads that swear up and down the gst is faster on the highway and top speed bla,bla,blah.when the gst and gsx were made the gsx should have had extra horsepower to compensate for the extra weight of the awd,but as for the gst beating the gsx on top speed i beg to differ cause my gsx took out a few gst,s on the highway and my 2g was modded mildly.i even had gst,s that didn,t want to race me cause i was the gsx.don,t get me wrong iam not hating on the gst its a cool car as we,ll but nothing beats the snug comfort of the awd.and if u got a gsx and know someone who has a gsx add a few modds to compensate for your extra weight of awd and take on a gst the results will be different compared to a stock gsx.

You obviously did'nt attend the 2009 dsm shooutout at Norwalk, if you did you would have noticed that every gst beat every gsx everytime in the 1/4 mile.

 

[shawn1g awd]

Its funny how i repeatly here that the gs-t is faster than the gsx,it sickens me.but yet gs-t owners are wanting to convert to awd.the gsx is far more than just a car that has just the launch.i,ve had a second gen gsx with mild mods and have decimated rwd and fwd turbo cars and n/a tuned cars.i,ve smoked them far off the line and in the high end.and may i add cars with double the horsepower including mustangs.the gsx drivers that have been beaten by gs-t drivers weren,t drivers to begin with,cause i can vouch for the gsx and its the dsm to get and mostly all the dsm,s are awd.the gsx is the best by far.

 

[i_nick_2005_i]

Stock for stock.....they are both slow. Whoever has the most money can have a faster car. However, I've seen videos of modded GS-T's spinning tires through 1st and 2nd, maybe 3rd gears (that's why I waited and got a AWD).......at least with AWD, that's not something to worry about. And your tires last longer, and when the roads are wet you know you pretty much have the fastest car on the road. <<<(I live in a rural area, maybe 1 EVO and 1 WRX in a 25 mile radius, and a few GSX's - both bone stock)

 

[Trav83]

AWD is an upgrade from FWD.. period. If we were talking RWD vs. AWD then debates and arguments could be justified.

 

[SpawnedX]

Gsx breaks more than gst? Try telling that to the guy who is putting 500 to the wheels in his gst and keeps snapping axles.

Don't forget that guy who snapped his axles has an LSD. Stock diff will just spin tires forever before snapping axles.

To the OP:

It really depends on what you are looking for. A GST with a good suspension and slicks can launch with traction going down the track all day everyday, ask Joe Bucci, the AWD will always out-launch you, but I get satisfaction in the backdoor win. On the street, unless it is on the highway and you have good drag radials, the AWD is going to almost always jump and pull on you. However, with a good suspension and drag radials, a 45 MPH pull is not a guaranteed tire spinning vehicle. A lot of people on this forum will tell you it is, but ask how many of them ever tried to build a GST right, or even owned one. I own both an X and a T, and my T is a hell of a lot more fun on the highway.

As far as comments about tires lasting longer, well sure they will, but there is a trade-off, if you aren't a hack. If you ruin one tire on a GSX, you are replacing them all. One on a T and you are replacing only 2, 1 if there is good tread left on the other.

If you can overcome your transaction issues, realize that FWD has less power loss than an AWD and RWD. However, you are going to get a GSX into the 11s well before you get a GST there. I can get my needle to right under 164 before I run out of road in my T, my X won't hear of it, but both of them can get up to a speed fast enough to not be necessary on a public road.

However, a RWD Eclipse will beat us both, so who cares.

 

[GsXtC21]

Everyone is so quick to jump on the "GSX = King" bandwagon but honestly you need to ask yourself, "What am i looking for in a car"...? If your the type who loves to do roll races or highway runs then you'd probably want to lean toward a gst but if your the kind whos looking for a car to take the track and run those crazy quarter mile times, then awd by all means...

Call me crazy but i bought a gsx and kinda regret it, b/c im a highway kinda guy.... But i refuse to trade my awd for a gst either way i hope to soon one day own a supra, the "Highway Monster" which will solve all my problems...Dont get me wrong though, i love my dsm to death and wouldnt trade it for anything

 

[brownfinger]

The GS-Ts have a speed limiter on them that stops them at 135, the reason for this is the tires. From the dealer the GSX had better tires on them than the GS-T, that allowed them (GSX) to reach 140. The GST had lesser tires on them with a lower speed rating(to keep the cost down), so theres a little place on the chip that can be sniped off that gets rid of the limiter. Then it will top out at 140

I'm pretty sure that all applies to only 2G cars. I thought the question was specificlly 1G-orriented. I just bought my first boosted 1G. It's FWD, w/ the factory LSD. It's fine for me. I wanted FWD to learn the turbo cars on. It's still sick-fast. My old 2.0 got totalled. I know the 1G DSM FWD platform. I replaced it w/ an identical car, NT. It doesn't have a single spot of rust on it. I'm not going to drive it in the winter/salt, ever. The GST is a rusted-out POS, "DD/beater". It's a LOT of fun. Next POS "DD/beater" I buy for $1200 WILL be an AWD 1G DSM. For now, I didn't want to deal with finding/paying for the parts for an AWD platform, or "learning" all that new info. Just learning the turbo-only stuff was enough of a bite for me to chew.

OP, you said this is your first DSM, and you want a 1G 'cause they're cheap. For this reason, I say go with a FWD w/ LSD, and a limited slip, too
You're right about them being cheap, so start with a FWD, then hold-out; wait for the perfect 1G awd to come along. Try to find something with minimal mods. It's much easier to figure-out what you're doing with a factory car, then mod it yourself. Then you'll know what you're dealing with.

As far as comments about tires lasting longer, well sure they will, but there is a trade-off, if you aren't a hack. If you ruin one tire on a GSX, you are replacing them all. One on a T and you are replacing only 2, 1 if there is good tread left on the other.

If you can overcome your transaction issues, realize that FWD has less power loss than an AWD and RWD. However, you are going to get a GSX into the 11s well before you get a GST there. I can get my needle to right under 164 before I run out of road in my T, my X won't hear of it, but both of them can get up to a speed fast enough to not be necessary on a public road.

All SO true. But hey, would you rather keep feeding your GST new front tires, or feeding your GSX new clutches?

 

[motomattxxx]

The gst will smoke a gsx speed wise out on the open highway period! no questions about it its a FACT. The gsx is slower because of the lower gear ratios in the gsx transmission required to move the extra weight, speed limiters aside. The gst 2nd gen DOES have a factory ecu with a speed limiter that is 10-15mph slower than the gsx ecu due to the cheaper tires that are not speed rated as well on the FACTORY gst (how many 95-99 gst's still are on factory rubber?) removing the speed limiter is as simple as desoldering or snipping a resistor in the ecu by the way. If you want to run the fastest times at the track dont waste your time with awd that will break weekly, go right for a RWD setup and be done with it. Do it once and do it right.

 

[shawn1g awd]

It doesn,t shock me that someone would mention drive train loss with comparing fwd to rwd and awd.we,ll lets think most cars at the track are rwd,now yes fwd does get direct power to the wheels but its limited as well.cause if fwd was so great on making power then the mustang and other rwd cars would be fwd.notice all the high power cars are either rwd or awd.not fwd without some type lsd,and as for the gsx being slower than the gs-t on the top end i beg to differ,my gsx was an animal on the highway blasting past other cars and i,ve beaten a gst at a roll and so fourth.the gsx is only 500lbs heavier than a gst which isn,t that much.now i got a 1g gsx and when i get her running she,s gonna be hell on awd wheels.and i,ve also seen wrx,s on pinks all out beat drag camaros in the quarter mile and according to people the awd is only good at launching and out the whole.and like i said in my previous post my 2nd gen at the time only had 240hp and i raced a fox body mustang with 300hp and he got left so bad low end and top end that after the race he left.and i had a stock tranny and stock clutch.so the gsx is the real deal you just gotta be a driver like me to beat the gs-t.

 

[brownfinger]

It doesn,t shock me that someone would mention drive train loss with comparing fwd to rwd and awd.we,ll lets think most cars at the track are rwd,now yes fwd does get direct power to the wheels but its limited as well.cause if fwd was so great on making power then the mustang and other rwd cars would be fwd.notice all the high power cars are either rwd or awd.not fwd without some type lsd,and as for the gsx being slower than the gs-t on the top end i beg to differ,my gsx was an animal on the highway blasting past other cars and i,ve beaten a gst at a roll and so fourth.the gsx is only 500lbs heavier than a gst which isn,t that much.now i got a 1g gsx and when i get her running she,s gonna be hell on awd wheels.and i,ve also seen wrx,s on pinks all out beat drag camaros in the quarter mile and according to people the awd is only good at launching and out the whole.and like i said in my previous post my 2nd gen at the time only had 240hp and i raced a fox body mustang with 300hp and he got left so bad low end and top end that after the race he left.and i had a stock tranny and stock clutch.so the gsx is the real deal you just gotta be a driver like me to beat the gs-t.

I mostly drive my boosted DSM in circles around the DSM factory, and to and fro my GF's house. It's been to the grocery store and the bank a few times, now. I hope someday soon to take it to the Post Office, Best Buy, the junk-yards, the Mitsubishi dealer's parts department, Menards, etc... When I get the windshield fixed and replace the hood with a normal one I may even drive it to a bar or two. It may be FWD and have no ability what-so-ever to apply it's HP to the pavement, but Holy Shiz-nit! It's a whole lot of fun, and it was dirt-cheap. And it's super cheap and easy to keep running. I'm it's last stop before it gets left at the junk-yard itself. And her and I are gonna treat each-other real good untill then. I bought it to be "a car". I demanded a DSM, and it was in my budget. I don't street-race or go to the track. When this one does go to the DSM Gods, I might get an AWD rusted-out beater. Who knows?

And it has a trunk

P.S. No hard fellings about the I've been drinking. I'm kidding. I'm not kidding about the drinking, just the But I'm serious about this: 500Lbs. is no big deal? I make fun of people around here all the time for saying they removed their A/C or power windows to "save wieght". That's all less than 50 Lbs saved, for both. 500 Lbs. is a lot. I think that's even too much for the difference between a FWD and an AWD. 500 Lbs is a small trailer, for God's sake! That's like 4 and a 1/4 hot teenage girls. It's been a decade since I had 4 and 1/4 teenage girls in my car, but I seem to remember that you could feel the weight difference.

 

[shawn1g awd]

We,ll coming with driving experience,that 500lbs never stop my gsx from performing at its best.i even beat some idiot who put a gst engine in a plymouth acclaim,and when he came around the seen,he was a real killer to everyone else who raced him,but he let those wins get to his head,so i had to knock him off his high horse and shut him down hard,and that plymouth was lighter than my car,and he got left off the line and in top speed.fwd is not the greatest drive train to really be proud of.cause if it was so special don,t see any super cars that are front wheel drive.so all u gst lovers just accept the fact that the gsx is a beast and alot more people own awd turbos than fwd turbos so awd owners out there be proud of the talon or gsx cause they are unigue and rare so get with the program gst lovers.the gsx rules the dsm world.

 

[brownfinger]

We,ll coming with driving experience,that 500lbs never stop my gsx from performing at its best.i even beat some idiot who put a gst engine in a plymouth acclaim,and when he came around the seen,he was a real killer to everyone else who raced him,but he let those wins get to his head,so i had to knock him off his high horse and shut him down hard,and that plymouth was lighter than my car,and he got left off the line and in top speed.fwd is not the greatest drive train to really be proud of.cause if it was so special don,t see any super cars that are front wheel drive.so all u gst lovers just accept the fact that the gsx is a beast and alot more people own awd turbos than fwd turbos so awd owners out there be proud of the talon or gsx cause they are unigue and rare so get with the program gst lovers.the gsx rules the dsm world.

Someday real soon I'll run out of USPS Simpsons stamps. When I do, I'll be driving the Murderwagon (that's my name for my '92 GS-T) to the Post Office. I'll be thinking of you. After I buy my stamps, I'll go to the liquor store. When I'm putting my 12-pack in the TRUNK of my sick-fast $1200 car, I'll also then be thinking of you

 

[SpawnedX]

If AWD was the way to go, ask Brent Rau why he is the fastest modified 4 cylinder, fastest 4G63T out there...as RWD. Arguing that AWD is better for the strip in the long run is like punching yourself in the crotch, it's stupid. RWD has less drive-train loss, less weight and on the proper tires can launch side-by-side with an AWD until mid-track when it continues to accelerate.

Also a GST engine is a GSX engine, there is no difference...so please explain the comment about how your GSX beat an Acclaim with a GST engine (which apparently is different from a GSX). You act like it was because of the engine in the car...not that it was, oh I dunno, a freaking Plymouth Acclaim?

Seriously, a real AWD DSMer, would not knock the GST or a FWD platform, but instead recognize both the strengths and weaknesses of both.

 

[motomattxxx]

Can't believe you even gave that retard street racer the time it takes to post a reply. He believes that there were more gsx than gst and because of that the gsx (which there were suposedly MORE of) is rarer...

If AWD was the way to go, ask Brent Rau why he is the fastest modified 4 cylinder, fastest 4G63T out there...as RWD. Arguing that AWD is better for the strip in the long run is like punching yourself in the crotch, it's stupid. RWD has less drive-train loss, less weight and on the proper tires can launch side-by-side with an AWD until mid-track when it continues to accelerate.

Also a GST engine is a GSX engine, there is no difference...so please explain the comment about how your GSX beat an Acclaim with a GST engine (which apparently is different from a GSX). You act like it was because of the engine in the car...not that it was, oh I dunno, a freaking Plymouth Acclaim?

Seriously, a real AWD DSMer, would not knock the GST or a FWD platform, but instead recognize both the strengths and weaknesses of both.

You wait till Brent here's about this, he will be switching to awd before the start of the season I can guarantee it. Again, anyone that attended THE dsm shootout in Norwalk would have witnessed the gst domination that took place.

 

[brownfinger]

We,ll coming with driving experience,that 500lbs never stop my gsx from performing at its best.i even beat some idiot who put a gst engine in a plymouth acclaim.

Could we get some actual numbers here? Transfer case; maybe 80lbs: Driveshaft, rear diff; 150Lbs? Rear axles and sub-frame; less than 100Lbs...I see maybe 350Lbs. difference. If it were really 500Lbs, then the factory 0-60 times would show a huge difference in favor of the Fwd. Now I'm just plain curious.
Anyway, could an idiot manage to put a 4G6 in an Acclaim? It sounds to me like that would take some skills and ingenuity. A pretty funny idea of a sleeper, but not the work of an idiot.
BTW, went to Menards yesterday in the Murder-wagon. I put a 60-Lb. sack of cement in my trunk. Then I went and bought a 12-pack, and put it in my trunk. I didn't even need to remove my spare tire. I was thinking of you.

 

[fstfcs]

We,ll coming with driving experience,that 500lbs never stop my gsx from performing at its best.i even beat some idiot who put a gst engine in a plymouth acclaim,and when he came around the seen,he was a real killer to everyone else who raced him,but he let those wins get to his head,so i had to knock him off his high horse and shut him down hard,and that plymouth was lighter than my car,and he got left off the line and in top speed.fwd is not the greatest drive train to really be proud of.cause if it was so special don,t see any super cars that are front wheel drive.so all u gst lovers just accept the fact that the gsx is a beast and alot more people own awd turbos than fwd turbos so awd owners out there be proud of the talon or gsx cause they are unigue and rare so get with the program gst lovers.the gsx rules the dsm world.

AWD....more things to break since it is all mechanically driven andnot electronically driven like most AWD cars of modern day.

I love my Talon TSI FWD. Loved my FWD holset powered ford focus as well. Come knock me off my high horse. Hell come knock my buddies uberly modded cobalt SS SC of his horse.....

that my friends, is ricer. It's not how you decorate or mod a car. It's a mentality. And he has quite clearly shown us all how it works. My day just keeps getting better.

1G GS-T curb weight-2877 lb
1G GSX Curb weight- 3199 lb

When the math is done, the overall curb weight difference in the two cars is 322 lbs.

This is HARDLY enough to make any huge difference.

 

[brownfinger]

AWD....more things to break
that my friends, is ricer. It's a mentality. And he has quite clearly shown us all how it works. My day just keeps getting better.

1G GS-T curb weight-2877 lb
1G GSX Curb weight- 3199 lb

When the math is done, the overall curb weight difference in the two cars is 322 lbs.

This is HARDLY enough to make any huge difference.

322 Lbs: I was close, but I guess I wouldn't have won on price-is-right! I went over. Not much? I beg to differ; that's three hot teenage girls worth of weight! It's not 500Lbs., but it's still 300Lbs.

I must admit I don't care. I don't race or rhice, I am just having fun at this guy's expense. I wonder if I put three hot, teenage girls on the hood of my car, to even-out the weight for fairness, for traction, and to make my car look cool; could I take this guy off-the-line?

 

[fstfcs]

FWD if launched properly could probably keep up with this guy. My buddies cobalt.....mind you needs some serious suspension work. ran a 13.3 on very worn street tires and a TERRIBLE factory suspension.

Anythings possible. I myself wouldn't go for teenaged. being 21 i could get into trouble haha. Maybe 3 hot sorority girls.

 

[shawn1g awd]

I,ll put it as simple as this the gsx rules and your curb weight is wrong the gsx 1g is 3042.and the gsx is unique unlike the gs-t i just hate when people try to play the gsx like its a over weight piece of junk when it should be respected,cause remember the worlds fastest talon was awd at one point and yes with slicks a rwd or fwd can launch like a awd but from factory the awd is a killer.it doesn,t need slicks to take off like a bat out of hell.and as for the acclaim,the point is he got murdered and he was some what of a gst.and since rwd is so bad explain how that guy on pinks all out with that subaru sti burned the old school camaros and they had slicks on and how the girl in the 91 gsx booked on the rx-7.don,t look down on the awd with your fwd and rwd.respect the gsx or talon awd.

 

[fstfcs]

My best friend owns a 1g AWD. ALL HE DOES IS BREAK SHIT.

I don't look down on anything. But i don't like drag racing. There is little driver skill most times.

I like road racing, auto cross, road rally. Road rally is all tarmac. And well my talon does superbly at it.

Honestly i probably have 100lbs worth of spare parts and tools in the hatch. JUST in case.

I'm really glad you love your AWD. I want to convert mine to it. But if he's a newbie. IMHO FWD would be a very viable option. There are less drivetrain parts to keep track of and fix. Until he gets the hang of a dsm to which he could then sell and pick up a GSX.

BTW this statement REALLY contradicts itself.

alot more people own awd turbos than fwd turbos so awd owners out there be proud of the talon or gsx cause they are unigue and rare

and it sounds like someone is doing the knocking not giving credit where credit is due

the gsx rules the dsm world.

Just a little FYI.....it doesn't.

 

[motomattxxx]

Look at it this way: NONE of the fastest cars on the planet in drag racing are awd, SOME ARE fwd though...

 

[brownfinger]

I,ll put it as simple as this the gsx rules. and the gsx is unique unlike the gs-t i just hate when people try to play the gsx like its a over weight piece of junk ...respect the gsx or talon awd.

Nobody is knocking the AWD DSM. We're knocking you! Your hate-filled, fact-lacking tirade against FWD cars is so easy to pick on. Why is the GSX unique, but the GS-T isn't? "More people own GSXs than GS-Ts..." Can you quote production numbers? Ever heard of a Plymouth Laser RS AWD? A 94 Laser AWD, now that's rare.

We get it that you're cooler than everyone else in the world who doesn't agree with you! The thread was started by a Newb who wanted opinions on what makes a good first DSM. I've had a 1G DSM for almost 15 years. When my car was wrecked last summer, I thought about buying an AWD, but I bought 2 FWD cars instead: They are SO DAMN EASY to fix!

There are quite a lot of people on this site who just enjoy their cars for what they are; they do not feel the need to dominate and belittle others to hide or compensate for their own insecurities. Dude, chill-out, grow-up. Is something bad gonna happen if the guy buys a FWD car?

 

[SpawnedX]

I,ll put it as simple as this the gsx rules and your curb weight is wrong the gsx 1g is 3042.and the gsx is unique unlike the gs-t i just hate when people try to play the gsx like its a over weight piece of junk when it should be respected,cause remember the worlds fastest talon was awd at one point and yes with slicks a rwd or fwd can launch like a awd but from factory the awd is a killer.it doesn,t need slicks to take off like a bat out of hell.and as for the acclaim,the point is he got murdered and he was some what of a gst.and since rwd is so bad explain how that guy on pinks all out with that subaru sti burned the old school camaros and they had slicks on and how the girl in the 91 gsx booked on the rx-7.don,t look down on the awd with your fwd and rwd.respect the gsx or talon awd.

Fastest DSM in the world is RWD. The end. Your entire point is invalidated right there.

And your Pinks All Out theory...I mean come on...are you that stupid? That's a bracket race, all those cars were within .2 or something stupid like that in qualifying.

There are more RWDs in the 67's and below then AWDs or FWDs, speaks for itself. Your GSX is not superior, it;s just a nice car, the end.

Go race Kiggly's FWD...good luck keeping up with it.