NEED HELP choosing A TURBO!!!

[1997_GSX_mar]

i have a fully built 6bolt motor im just looking for the last step to upgrade to a big turbo! my goals are to hit around 550whp or 600whp. i was also looking into FpBB3064 or

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pleas let me know ### you guys think?

 

[Colt4G63 also]

Do it man! I have an EvoIII b16g and it blows... hot air.

 

[CJTurbo]

Look into the Holset HX 40, they are relatively inexpensive and can push the numbers you are looking for

 

[bagged420a]

Holsets seem to be one of the best bang for the buck turbos. And the get good spool times from what i've read around here

 

[abaum565]

Pretty subjective as a lot of turbos will get you there. But the gt30 turbine wheel can get you there with a bunch of boost and a heck of a lot of mods. Without your profile being updated it's hard to say, and what are your goals for the turbo, i.e. track use, street, fast spool, etc.
But without fuel you aren't going very far. What are your fuel mods, and type of fuel you will be running?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

I'd look into a HX35 if you're planning on staying with a stock block. You really should be upgrading other things first instead on buying a 600HP+ turbo. That's pretty much the last step of the pyramid, it'll be a huge waste if you don't have other things to support that much HP

 

[JusMX141]

Precision T & E HP6165 Ball Bearing Turbocharger : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 (670 HP)

You'll never see 670whp with a PTE DSM bolt-on housing and an internal gate. That's quite a claim on their part.

I have less than $1300 in a new HX40, a BEP T3 turbine housing, a new ERL cast stainless manifold, and a used Tial 38mm wastegate, and that setup has the potential to make 700 to the wheels on certain builds.

 

[d_hidayat2000]

check this link Pure Tuning
the price is reasonable.

i prefer the hx35 holset , it is 550 whp fast spooling turbo with under $1000 price
or if you dont mind with turbo lag and looking for better top end, then go with hx40 its 600 whp class turbine

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

Ok thank you guys for the help im going to start looking into the hx35 holset..is there a website i can get? to look them up?

 

[abaum565]

Ok thank you guys for the help im going to start looking into the hx35 holset..is there a website i can get? to look them up?

Any of the Holset threads on here will give you all the information you need to know about putting them on our cars. If your looking for price then jump on some diesel forums and find a good used one for cheap.

There are a few different variations so be aware of. 8blade hx35 is a 52lb/min turbo and can make upwards of 500hp with the right mods and bolt on housing, the 7blade hx35 is a 60lb/min turbo but will more than likely need the stock hotside/or bep T3 to get the max potential out of that compressor. But it will make more hp than the 8blade in the right hands.

 

[DSM_PWR]

FP 3052 is my choice



but everyone seems to love these cheap holsets

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

does the hx35 holset come BB?

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

FP 3052 is my choice



but everyone seems to love these cheap holsets

YES! thats true but im looking for most bang for my buck! if the holset has more potential then the FP for cheaper. then the holset would be alot better.

 

[DSM_PWR]

IMO

Holsets dont have more potential than a similar sized FP turbo ...

But im sure people will differ because of the price... but hey, what can you do

 

[abaum565]

IMO

Holsets dont have more potential than a similar sized FP turbo ...

But im sure people will differ because of the price... but hey, what can you do

I agree, but the whole bang for your buck attracts many of us.

Holsets are not BB turbos they are journal bearing and come off diesel trucks, they take a beating every day on these trucks, and seem to work very well on our cars in the right configurations.

If price is not an option then the any flavor of FP's 30r HTA's would be nice.

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

I agree, but the whole bang for your buck attracts many of us.

Holsets are not BB turbos they are journal bearing and come off diesel trucks, they take a beating every day on these trucks, and seem to work very well on our cars in the right configurations.

If price is not an option then the any flavor of FP's 30r HTA's would be nice.

ok so if im not looking at price.. the FP's 30r would be better then the Holset?

 

[DSM_PWR]

The FP 3052 has been known to make 550-600awhp easily with the right tune/proper mods

Not to mention in a bolt on DSM housing, and crazy quick spool... i believe they now offer an HTA wheel for it

Although iv'e never seen an HX40 dyno graph to compare the spool up to, but my bets on FP

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

the most i would go for a turbo right now would be $1500 just for the turbo..

 

[1997_GSX_mar]

how much would The FP 3052 come out to be?

 

[daren_p]

ok so if im not looking at price.. the FP's 30r would be better then the Holset?

If your just looking at price, no the FP setup will run you alot more vs a Holset. Holsets can be had for cheep & being thats exactly what most DSM'ers are, they seem to be the turbo thats recomended for anyone who asks, "what turbo should I get".

Personally I'm a true Garrett (or FP version of Garrett products) fan. No I wouldn't look at the PTE bolt-ons, like mentioned there's no way that linked turbo is going to produce their claimed 670whp with a bolt-on housing & internal gate.

If money's not a big deal I'd recommend the FP HTA DSM82 or DSM86, if you wanted to stay bolt-on flange. If you wanted to switch flanges, I'd recommend the T3 version of those turbos (3582 or 3586). If budget is a concern, the Holset guys will have to chime in, as I'm not up on them much.

 

[JusMX141]

Holsets dont have more potential than a similar sized FP turbo ...

That's a bold statement. Do you work for FP?

The FP 3052 has been known to make 550-600awhp easily with the right tune/proper mods

Not to mention in a bolt on DSM housing, and crazy quick spool...

Although iv'e never seen an HX40 dyno graph to compare the spool up to, but my bets on FP

Here's what 650+ looks like in a DSM bolt-on housing:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...complete-installed-systems.html#post151661785

This setup has actually made closer to 700 to the wheels since the 653 thread was made:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/334299-holset-hx40-makes-685hp-584tq.html

 

[abaum565]

ok so if im not looking at price.. the FP's 30r would be better then the Holset?

choosing a turbo is very subjective, I suggest you read up on a couple of the turbos suggested already and make your decision based of your goal and budget.

Asking us what turbo to get will net you everyone's own opinion.

With FP you will need a external gate, and a FP 02 housing which raises the cost quite a bit. With a hx35 you can get a bolton housing and internal gate (not that this setup would be preferable), you would probably want the bolton housing and an external gate of the manifold or 02 to reach some higher boost pressures to net you your 500hp goal.

There is an HX40 pro with a billet compressor wheel that will get you your goal also.

Also with this "built" motor how are you supplying fuel for your 500hp goal?

With the questions you are asking, I would try to crawl before you run here. You need a lot of work to get to 500hp, tuning and fuel being on the top of my list before a large 600hp capable turbo. Just my 2cents

 

[daren_p]

how much would The FP 3052 come out to be?

Go check out Forced Performances website & see for yourself, think its $14XX currently. So under the $1500 mark for the turbo itself but you also need a vband O2 housing & Tial44 external gate to run this turbo (you should be running an external gate & turbular O2 housing anways if your looking at 550+ whp goal)

Personally I wouldn't go 3052, yes it can make that goal as it is underrated at 52lb/min, but for the typical tuner your really going to have to work to see that kind of power. Thats why I'd go abit larger, the 35R exhaust wheel would make your goal easier.

 

[DSM_PWR]

If your just looking at price, no the FP setup will run you alot more vs a Holset. Holsets can be had for cheep & being thats exactly what most DSM'ers are,.....

.....Personally I'm a true Garrett (or FP version of Garrett products) fan....

I agree, if your not looking to get the best you can, then its not worth the price difference to most

That's a bold statement. Do you work for FP?


Here's what 650+ looks like in a DSM bolt-on housing:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...complete-installed-systems.html#post151661785

Yea man sure do

No i dont work there, i just have confidence in their turbo's. Ive personally seen what these turbo's can do track wise by Evo/DSM owners...

No one around here that i know of runs a holset so i am ignorant in that subject... while im sure their good turbo's and provide great results... until one locally proves me wrong... ill stick to recommending HTA's or Billets

 

[JusMX141]

Yea man sure do

Sorry for the assumption- I figured you had to work for them in order to recommend a $1465 turbo that requires a $400 wastegate and $425 o2 housing to your average DSMer.

For now I'll stick with my $1300 setup that has more potential and is fully rebuildable for a mere $90 in parts in the event of oil contamination or some other issue. What do replacement cartridges for 30R's go for?