my set-up..how much psi?

[TSIAWDTURBO]

i jest got a talon tsi awd..jest put a evo3 turbo in with a 255 walboro fuel pump..it has a hks bov,megan 3inch turbo exhaust ,a Manuel boost controller and boost gauge ..any ways i jest wanted to kno how much boost can i set it to,without having any problems......also anybody with track experience know what my time would be???ohh and its a 7bolt 4663

 

[90gsx_luis]

people just can seem to get along sometimes

 

[LiquidX]

1st, Liquidx relax a little ok? God if you get this worked up on a forum, i cant imagine you in real life. You made your point, you gave him the correct info, if he doesnt want to use it and be safe thats fine, he can blow his motor and then you can laugh when he makes a new thread saying "need to rebuild my motor, help!"

Oh, I'm not worked up at all seeing as it's not my car. You are right, I did give him all the correct info but don't tell me to relax when I'm not even pissed off over some random illiterate asking for help and not listening.

Second, his fuel system isnt 100% stock, he has a wally 255. So he can turn up the boost...a little

Just because you have a larger fuel pump doesn't mean that are you spraying the require amount of gas in proper quantites into the cylinders.

I disagree on the fact that he needs to stay at 14psi, 14 is stock and also very low. Our engine is capable of much more than that and like i explain lower down there is a certain number you need to be "careful" of.

For our platform 14 is low but higher numbers on a stock fuel system has a high probabilty of sever damage.

I would agree that he should use some sort of tuning or managment system before he really decideds to up the boost. And just to turn up boost you dont need a whole fuel system, im going to stay with 550 injectors so im not going to need to get a fuel pressure regulator.

An upgraded fuel system would consist of injectors, fuel management system, at least a 190lph pump and a AFPR IF you go to a 255 pump.

The FPR isn't based off of injector size but your pump size. Too large of a pump will over run the stock FPR so needing an AFPR would be needed once you goto a 255. A 190 *doesn't* need one but would still be good to have.

There is a common number people use on here and its around 20psi.

I can guarentee that just about all of them have the proper supporting mods as well. The other small percentile are ones that don't care about their car.

If you are going to be boost about 20psi you are going to want to put a new headgasket and studs on. Stock studs will not hold and the head can lift.

Actually, stock studs WILL be fine for 20psi and so will the head gasket unless it's already bad. A composite HG is fine for around 25ish psi

Oh and i forgot....LiquidX, hes from JOYSEY, thats why hes says jest bro. You no, New JOYSEY, jest thats how they talk man, jagger bombs and heinkiens allllll night probally has him talking all funny.

It's one thing to talk like a moron but it's another thing to actually take the effort to type it out as well. People will respect you more and pay more attention to threads that have proper grammar and spelling. There are many people that will pass over threads like these just because of the spelling.

But hey, what do I know...

 

[TSITurbo95]

Can't we all just get along? Why are we even arguing? Besides, not ALL cars are the same, some can run higher boost just fine, others can not. If you can, hey great, if not, bummer. Do things right, and expect your car to last, half ass stuff, and expect it to blow up sometime soon. He wanted everyone's opinion, in which why he asked, so now he has his answers, so there is no need to turn this thread into a flame war.

 

[atruepretense]

well i have a spare engine so im not really worried... ive been on 17psi since ive got the car..witch came with no mods at all but the intake and e316g... even like that it ran like a champ... then i got crankwalk so i replaced it with a 6bolt witch i added all my mods listed on my profile...!!!! and now it pulls beautiful.... id say 6 months....! and for liquidX i had a friend let me borrow his data logger or whatever you call it and i barely got knock.... with stock settings... sooooo IM GOOD FOR NOW.... im waiting to see what happens witch by the looks of it... wont be soon..!!!

"Barely" got knock is not good enough. No knock is what you should get. Any knock is bad. 1 count of knock for me is unacceptable. But, hey, blow it up. I wish I had an extra engine laying around, i'd be ####ed if I blew my engine up.

I'm betting you are knocking like crazy and it's only in due time that you damage your motor.

Did you notice in his signature that his other car is a Honda Si?

 

[Bluefire16]

^^ Liquid, like i said...its his car, and he can do what he wants. I was simply implying he can turn up the boost, if he wants to do it correctly, then there are ways of doing it. I wasnt bashing you, i simply have different opionion on some things.

I personally would never go over 20psi without putting in new headstuds and a new headgasket (from my stock one) simply because if i do go over 20 i will prob want to go up higher like 25psi. A lot of people on here will ago you should switch to APR if you are going to 20psi.

Next i no he should use a AFPR if he wants to correctly run a 255, but the fact is he can still run it and no he is at least putting more fuel in to the engine. Like i said i only plan on running 550s with my evo9 pump so i am not going to need to adjust mine and i dont need a FPR.

Again im not bashing you, i agree with you on alot of it. Im also not saying he is doing things correct, im just stating he can do things the way he is, its just NOT the safest.

And agreed, retarded spelling and use of grammar.


As far as the guy that made this comment: "then you have your enthusiasts who don't mind staring at a E3B16G sitting on their dresser for 3 months waiting for fuel upgrades. "

^ You can safely install a e316g on a stock system. you dont need to compelty upgrade your system, you just need to learn to be safe and run stock boost. Is it much fun or worth it? Not really but dont say you arent a enthusiast because people like me wanted to put my 16g on when i got it. (granted i did put a bigger pump however, but i no my full plans and intentions and limits for my car)

 

[wranglerunner22]

"Barely" got knock is not good enough. No knock is what you should get. Any knock is bad. 1 count of knock for me is unacceptable. But, hey, blow it up. I wish I had an extra engine laying around, i'd be ####ed if I blew my engine up.



Did you notice in his signature that his other car is a Honda Si?

Actually, up to a knock count of 7 is good and acceptable. Anything over that I would probibly start looking over your setup .

 

[blackhawkgsx]

Actually, up to a knock count of 7 is good and acceptable. Anything over that I would probibly start looking over your setup .

What are you crazy ? no knock is good!! but that doesn't mean that it will blow up immediately either. any way to answer the op question I used to run 16psi and it would creep up to 20. i had a wally 255 ,side mount, some black injectors... but i had a wide band and it would stay megga rich between 10:1-10.7:1 so i was ok and i never hit fuel cut. but for you i would stay at 15 for stock thats the magic number in my opinion.

 

[DSMDriver69]

Actually, up to a knock count of 7 is good and acceptable. Anything over that I would probibly start looking over your setup .

What? Maybe 1 or 2 counts is acceptable but not good in anyway, it's allways better to tune for 0 knock. (someone correct me if im wrong on this)

 

[BLINKY619]

Actually, up to a knock count of 7 is good and acceptable. Anything over that I would probibly start looking over your setup .

thats what people dont seem to understand...!!!!

ALSO TAKE IT EASY PEOPLE WHY CANT WE JUST GET ALONG.... IM NOT TELLING HIM TO RUN IT THAT WAY. ALL IM SAYING IS THAT ITS THE WAY IM RUNNING IT..!!!

atruepretense = i do have a honda civic, whats wrong with that.... HUH? its pushing roughly 423whp=356trq SO HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES....FOOL...!!!!


TSITurbo95 Thats what alot of people dont seem to understand... you could have 2 exact dsm's with exactly every mod and have different hp, trq, knock, etc etc... so chill out people... somecars could take that and some dont...


Bluefire16 I have arp head studs and a oem metal head gasket...!!!

 

[Calan]

I'll add my .02

1. Everything Liquid said is correct and I agree 100%...although he has a hell of a lot more patience than I would after attempting to decipher that very first post. (That is just pathetic). OP - it would be very beneficial for you to re-read all of his posts 2 or 3 times and really let it soak in.

2. Once you learn about these cars, you'll figure out that the actual amount of air you are flowing and what you do with it is much more important than simply how much boost you are running (unless you get to a point where excessive cylinder pressure is lifting the head, etc). You'll also discover that airflow is dependent on a LOT of things besides boost pressure.

3. If you ask a question like "how much boost can I run", you probably shouldn't go above 10 psi (if that), no matter how many shiny new fuel mods you have....because the car probably has maintenance and other issues to work on first.

4. If you had of searched "max boost"... on the very first page of results there is a 39-page thread containing 1,165 posts that has been around since 2002...in addition to the other 101 threads that the search returns.





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Ehh...sorry. (I feel sort of like John Belushi in Animal House when he breaks the guitar).

 

[atruepretense]

What? Maybe 1 or 2 counts is acceptable but not good in anyway, it's allways better to tune for 0 knock. (someone correct me if im wrong on this)

Exactly, I mean a little knock is not going to immediately blow up your engine, but I tune for 0 also. Better zero than 1. You are correct. Knock is pre-detonation. Which an engine is never supposed to do. That's why the moment our cars detect knock through the knock sensor, it immediately makes changes to timing, boost, and fuel to bring it back down.

 

[yepes281]

ok thanks guys..ill try 20 and see what happens if not 17,15 and so on..and thanks for the english lesson ..

Starting out at 20???? No man, start out at 30 and make your way down. My car creeped to 30 a few times and it still runs fine, so yours should be too!

 

[atruepretense]

thats what people dont seem to understand...!!!!

ALSO TAKE IT EASY PEOPLE WHY CANT WE JUST GET ALONG.... IM NOT TELLING HIM TO RUN IT THAT WAY. ALL IM SAYING IS THAT ITS THE WAY IM RUNNING IT..!!!

atruepretense = i do have a honda civic, whats wrong with that.... HUH? its pushing roughly 423whp=356trq SO HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES....FOOL...!!!!


TSITurbo95 Thats what alot of people dont seem to understand... you could have 2 exact dsm's with exactly every mod and have different hp, trq, knock, etc etc... so chill out people... somecars could take that and some dont...


Bluefire16 I have arp head studs and a oem metal head gasket...!!!

Easy there pal, can't take a joke? Congrats on your super-duper fast honda. Honestly, Hondas are junk to me, and working on them is pointless. They're amazing for what they're made for, economy and durability.. So that's my opinion, don't like it? Too bad dude.

Btw, "Them apples" really don't impress me in any way. If you lived around here, you'd actually get the joke. Also, fool? Really? Is this second grade where name calling is actually a comeback?

Back to the matter at hand, you can do whatever you want to your car, that's why it's YOUR car. But in every sense of reality, your current fuel system setup is NOT rated for your boost.. Hey, if it runs for you, then congrats. Yes, two cars are never identical. But, when you try to help someone who's new, you want to give him the best possible result, not "I can run it like this and if I blow an engine, it's cool." I'm more than sure all of us here are sick of hearing "I blew my engine, help!" two weeks after we advised against that person's actions.

starting out at 20???? No man, start out at 30 and make your way down. My car creeped to 30 a few times and it still runs fine, so yours should be too!

 

[Zdrummer15]

Well this thread is getting a little crazy with arguments, but I just wanted to add my opinion as well. I would absolutely not start at 20 and work my way down. Yes all cars are different, but I don't think any with stock injectors will benefit from running 20 psi. You'll get knock like crazy and probably hit fuel cut anyway. My advise would be to start at 15 psi and work your way down because I would never run any higher then that with any part of the fuel system still stock.

 

[SlushBoXRacer]

What? Maybe 1 or 2 counts is acceptable but not good in anyway, it's always better to tune for 0 knock. (someone correct me if im wrong on this)

+1 sounds good me ??

ok thanks guys..ill try 20 and see what happens if not 17,15 and so on..and thanks for the english lesson ..

even if you had everything to run 20psi, why start that high? logically is it not better to start low then work your way higher?? even with the correct logger?

 

[BLINKY619]

Well this thread is getting a little crazy with arguments, but I just wanted to add my opinion as well. I would absolutely not start at 20 and work my way down. Yes all cars are different, but I don't think any with stock injectors will benefit from running 20 psi. You'll get knock like crazy and probably hit fuel cut anyway. My advise would be to start at 15 psi and work your way down because I would never run any higher then that with any part of the fuel system still stock.

like i stated above... im no telling the op to run it the way i am... besides the reason why im doing it is because i have a spare motor that im dieing to drop in due to it having 2g pistons and 1g rods.... so im pretty sure the op doesn't have a spare motor and wouldn't want to go through the hassle of finding an new one..!!! im just letting him know what im running... i don't recommend him running no more than 15psi... but just letting him know what these motor/cars are willing to handle... so chill people... don't mean to make anyone mad or disappointed... (don't want enemies) AND like people said that this is the reason why people make dsm's look bad cause of the way people treat them and don't last long... i give my car proper maintenance.... i change my oil from 3,000 to 3,500 and no further... trust me i love this car... and take car of it... i know it seems like i dont by the way im running it... but that's the way i decided to go.....

 

[wkmitsu]

ok thanks guys..ill try 20 and see what happens if not 17,15 and so on..and thanks for the english lesson ..

Hell, why not just start at 30 and work your way down from there? Better yet just close your boost controller up all the way and see what happens...if you hear an explosion and/or parts falling out onto the road, I would pull over and back it off a turn or so. After that you should be good to go! Have fun!

 

[sexi_beast_95]

I love how some people are so condescending to newbs. give the person a chance. if he wants to treat his car like a honda, let him. Mommy and daddy will fix it. The way i see it, is that there is different categories or tuners, you have your fast and the furious who don't care much about anything other than "go fast" or looks, then you have your enthusiasts who don't mind staring at a E3B16G sitting on their dresser for 3 months waiting for fuel upgrades.

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Hey i like you ! Thats exactly what im doing...waiting for the right mods...safc,i got 550s,wally 190 ect.

 

[BLINKY619]

Hell, why not just start at 30 and work your way down from there? Better yet just close your boost controller up all the way and see what happens...if you hear an explosion and/or parts falling out onto the road, I would pull over and back it off a turn or so. After that you should be good to go! Have fun!

hey smart guy... my next door neighbor has a 97 talon tsi and he had a spare engine and wanted to blow it up for fun so we recorded it... (have the video) he had a s16g and ran it with the wastegate line disconnected.. we drove it but no further than a mile due to the fact that we didnt want it to die far... we gave it a couple of wot pulls and nothing happened.... i mean it would fly... im talking about hella fast when it it spiked to 25+ and it never blew up... we just kept blowing couplings and wasnt ever able to blow the motor.... but ill tell you this we did blow the turbo.... but still ran..!!!! WE GAVE IT ONE MORE TRY AND JUST DECIDED TO LAUNCH IT AT FULL THROTTLE AND WE DIDNT GET WHAT WE ASKED FOR.... ( BROKE REAR AXLE...!!!! i gotta say that that these motor can handle alot more than what i expected...!!

 

[bsbllfit7]

i have a e316g with full exhaust and an intake and am running 1 bar or 14.7 psi with no problems. Have been running it for awhile now as i wait for more money so i can get bigger injectors and fuel pump.

 

[wkmitsu]

hey smart guy... my next door neighbor has a 97 talon tsi and he had a spare engine and wanted to blow it up for fun so we recorded it... (have the video) he had a s16g and ran it with the wastegate line disconnected.. we drove it but no further than a mile due to the fact that we didnt want it to die far... we gave it a couple of wot pulls and nothing happened.... i mean it would fly... im talking about hella fast when it it spiked to 25+ and it never blew up... we just kept blowing couplings and wasnt ever able to blow the motor.... but ill tell you this we did blow the turbo.... but still ran..!!!! WE GAVE IT ONE MORE TRY AND JUST DECIDED TO LAUNCH IT AT FULL THROTTLE AND WE DIDNT GET WHAT WE ASKED FOR.... ( BROKE REAR AXLE...!!!! i gotta say that that these motor can handle alot more than what i expected...!!

Cool story.

 

[Choch1]

Read thread. Palm meets face......

 

[Zdrummer15]

like i stated above... im no telling the op to run it the way i am... besides the reason why im doing it is because i have a spare motor that im dieing to drop in due to it having 2g pistons and 1g rods.... so im pretty sure the op doesn't have a spare motor and wouldn't want to go through the hassle of finding an new one..!!! im just letting him know what im running... i don't recommend him running no more than 15psi... but just letting him know what these motor/cars are willing to handle... so chill people... don't mean to make anyone mad or disappointed... (don't want enemies) AND like people said that this is the reason why people make dsm's look bad cause of the way people treat them and don't last long... i give my car proper maintenance.... i change my oil from 3,000 to 3,500 and no further... trust me i love this car... and take car of it... i know it seems like i dont by the way im running it... but that's the way i decided to go.....

I wasn't telling you what to do with your car, I was just giving the OP my opinion on what he should do since he said he was going to start at 20 psi.