maft pro compatible with dsm link???

[dsmfreak555]

I was wondering if the maftpro is compatible with dsmlink? the speed density is a nice feature because when I eventually switch to a larger setup I am probobly going to to a gt35r or fp3065 and these turbos have a 4" inlet. I was thinking about the blow through maf setup but I keep hearing bad things about it(please correct me if I am wrong on that) like having to calibrate etc.

I don't own dsmlink yet so I do not have access to their forum. Please help!!!

 

[GVR4592]

I think I did with post number 8

I can think of a handful of people off the top of my head that have made over 600whp and ran 9's with Dsmlink, you can't say that about the MAF-T or the MAF-T Pro. In the end it's just another poorly designed piggyback, that can't touch Dsmlink's features.

 

[BISHILVR]

I can think of a handful of people off the top of my head that have made over 600whp and ran 9's with Dsmlink, you can't say that about the MAF-T or the MAF-T Pro. In the end it's just another poorly designed piggyback, that can't touch Dsmlink's features.

Are you kidding? The maftpro has been in the 9's and its only been out for a little over a year. Talk about poorly designed piggybacks? that is the very description of dsmlink, its an electronic dinosaur. Maftpro uses the latest tunerpro rt for tuning and is the closest thing to a standalone that you can buy, are you kidding? I have dealt with BOTH, and I just could'nt stand the mediocrity of the dsmlink anymore, its basically a safc. For the money you get a cable and a cd? Rip off.

 

[GVR4592]

Has the maft pro been in the 9's on a dsm with only the maft pro as a tuning device? Dsmlink isn't a piggyback, it's nothing like the safc, and it has way more feature's than the maft pro.

 

[BISHILVR]

Dsmlink sure aint a standalone, far from it. Dsmlink manipulates numbers in the ecu, therefore its a piggyback, even though it does it through a different process than most piggybacks. I have experience with both, and the dsmlink just is'nt much to work with and leaves me wanting. What is the highest hp numbers seen from the dsmlink?

 

[wvturbo2]

I thought I saw around 700 whp, but I'd have to look to tell you for sure. Dsmlink is for people like me that don't have time to figure out a base tune, and spend time learning how to tune the MS. It will take most of us to our goals and past that. For the price and the fact that Ms is a standalone it wins. For ease, support, and capabilities dsmlink is a quick and easy solution.

 

[GVR4592]

Dsmlink sure aint a standalone, far from it. Dsmlink manipulates numbers in the ecu, therefore its a piggyback, even though it does it through a different process than most piggybacks. I have experience with both, and the dsmlink just is'nt much to work with and leaves me wanting. What is the highest hp numbers seen from the dsmlink?

I think we've had this discussion before, it seems very familiar. A piggyback doesn't change the code in the ecu, it intercepts information from the sensor alters it, then sends it to the ecu. Dsmlink is a piece of software and code in a eprom chip. There's nothing piggybacked at all, it's exactly the same as putting an aftermarket chip(Dsmchips, TMO) in your ecu, you just have real time control and datalogging.

The highest I know of is 708whp, and that wasn't even near the limits of the tuning. I believe the owner of the car was worried about his Eagle rods holding up to more abuse. But that's just one person, there are a handful of guys making 600+ and in the 9's. I bet that number gets beat by a lot this year with some of the new setups people are going with.

 

[GVR4592]

E-fight!!

E-discussion.

 

[dsmfreak555]

the only thing I like about stand alone ecus...well specificaly the aem ems is the "boost compensation tuning" basicly if you have 10ms of fuel at 1.0 bar and 2.0bar you would then be injecting 20ms of fuel. here this will explain it better, this is from dsmotorsports aem ems page...

Boost Comp Tuning

Boost Compensation Tuning is our preferred method of fuel mapping. Using the Boost-Fuel correction table and the Throttle-Fuel correction table to trim the main fuel map, the main fuel map becomes a simple 2D graph of your engine's volumetric efficiency where the fuel values are all the same for every load point. After setting up these three maps, we begin tuning by making wot pulls at the lowest boost pressure possible through the rpm band and tuning to a set A/F ratio at every rpm column. After doing this the main fuel map has become a graphical representation of your VE curve. Because we set the Boost-Fuel table in a linear fashion to double the pulse width for each bar of boost, the engine will always maintain the same Set A/F ratio at any load so long as the VE of the engine does not change. The Throttle-Fuel table is adjusted to give correct A/F ratio for cruise conditions at low throttle. The main fuel mapping can be accomplished in as little as an hour from scratch with this method

 

[BISHILVR]

I think we've had this discussion before, it seems very familiar. A piggyback doesn't change the code in the ecu, it intercepts information from the sensor alters it, then sends it to the ecu. Dsmlink is a piece of software and code in a eprom chip. There's nothing piggybacked at all, it's exactly the same as putting an aftermarket chip(Dsmchips, TMO) in your ecu, you just have real time control and datalogging.

The highest I know of is 708whp, and that wasn't even near the limits of the tuning. I believe the owner of the car was worried about his Eagle rods holding up to more abuse. But that's just one person, there are a handful of guys making 600+ and in the 9's. I bet that number gets beat by a lot this year with some of the new setups people are going with.

Yeah I know how they work and all, I've been around them for a pretty long while. It just did'nt cut it for what I wanted to do and for what the cost was compared to what you get and compared to the price of a standalone system (not that much difference in price to me). The one thing I REALLY dont like about it is the fact that if your battery goes down or you disconnect your batteryyou lose your tune for the ecu, and your kinda screwed. Maftpro dsm has made close to 700 awhp so far. I like that number, its promising for as young as the unit is and for how it works. Its not for everyone though.

 

[turbodsm18]

Alright, So here is what Ive gathered so far....(someone please correct me of anything is wrong.)

MAFT Pro:

Pretty much you by the unit and you buy the IAT sensor and the 3 bar map sensor. Once you get everything set up you choose your wideband that you are running and then type in what your target AFR's are. This little device then calculates your AFR's. But when using this program you cannot log knock or timing or anything else that isnt being monitered by this device.

DSMLink :

Eventually on this new version you will be able to run a speed density setup. But as of right now you cant. I have seen that you can log just about everything needed through DSMLink and you can also log with a wideband(for the ones that are compatable). This setup seems like a little more work but seems to have hundreds of help topics through the DSMLink forums.

If this is correct, after pricing everything out, there gonna pretty much be around the same price. Cause both need a labtop, WB AFR gauge, and to run speed density(which is what I want to do) you need the map sensor and an IAT sensor.

Personally from this information I dont know why anyone would chose to go with the MAFT Pro over DSMLink. Yes is new to the market and more features are being added, but DSMLink is proven over and over again.

I am gonna go with DSMLink but I will wait until the newer version comes out so I have all the up to date features. And hopefully they will fix the problem with taking out the battery and losing all you data on a 2G.

Please can anyone verify that this information for the most part is correct.

Thank You!!!

-Kevin-

 

[GVR4592]

The only thing I see that isn't quite correct, is Dsmlink doesn't need a laptop, Hal Landry wrote a Palm app for it. So if you've been using a datalogger on your Palm based PDA, chances are you can use it for Dsmlink.

They've already made a memory board for the 2g, they are just waiting to release it with V3.

 

[turbodsm18]

The only thing I see that isn't quite correct, is Dsmlink doesn't need a laptop, Hal Landry wrote a Palm app for it. So if you've been using a datalogger on your Palm based PDA, chances are you can use it for Dsmlink.

They've already made a memory board for the 2g, they are just waiting to release it with V3.

Awsome, thats the information I needed. Well looks like Im waiting for Version 3 to come out

 

[Gordian79]

Heres my take on both.I seen dsmlink in action and it works really well it runs like its stock only thing i dont like is the having to use a maf.I think the reason they havent gone speed density is because converting psi signal from map sensor to airflow will confuse the ecu.Its like translating spanish to english that some the words in a sentence are not in the same order.I have the maftpro now.I will first say that the manuals they have suck because they dont explain what things do.Like if car does this add a little more of that.Another is the street driveability which i havent figured out as of yet i need to tinker more with it.It does work well at wot afrs stay steady @ 11.2 -11.3 thats my opinion on both.

 

[BISHILVR]

Heres my take on both.I seen dsmlink in action and it works really well it runs like its stock only thing i dont like is the having to use a maf.I think the reason they havent gone speed density is because converting psi signal from map sensor to airflow will confuse the ecu.Its like translating spanish to english that some the words in a sentence are not in the same order.I have the maftpro now.I will first say that the manuals they have suck because they dont explain what things do.Like if car does this add a little more of that.Another is the street driveability which i havent figured out as of yet i need to tinker more with it.It does work well at wot afrs stay steady @ 11.2 -11.3 thats my opinion on both.

I like my pro, runs like stock. One of the things about link is it seems like it has to be adjusted constantly as in daily where with the maftpro I have set it and not touched it again for months. If you have to have some advice on the pro, let me know or start a new thread on it and I will be happy to jump in anywhere I can.

 

[GVR4592]

I like my pro, runs like stock. One of the things about link is it seems like it has to be adjusted constantly as in daily where with the maftpro I have set it and not touched it again for months. If you have to have some advice on the pro, let me know or start a new thread on it and I will be happy to jump in anywhere I can.

Dsmlink doesn't have to be adjusted constantly. I ran the same tune for over a year with no changes, it ran the same ever day.

 

[dsmfreak555]

I will be going with dsmlink and I just will have to hope/pray that version 3 has speed density. If/when I build my stroker and I need more tuning capacity(doubtfull) I probobly tinker with megasquirt as it is a stand alone and not that expensive. I know alot of people on this board don't use it because we have dsmlink but there are quite of few other car owners(non-dsm that is ) that use megasquirt and they run pretty quick. but dsmlink is going in for sure.