LSD inserts who has them?

[george5366]

Ok ill been reading up as much as i can, and now i wanna noe who actually has them or has had them, and for how long. I want input on which one to get, because i am getting one. and please no bashing on them all i wanna know is who actually has them in there cars

 

[BaddAssGst]

Ok ill been reading up as much as i can, and now i wanna noe who actually has them or has had them, and for how long. I want input on which one to get, because i am getting one. and please no bashing on them all i wanna know is who actually has them in there cars

My buddy has one in a 1g FWD and I'll be honest, there was basically little to no difference in it. I drove it right before and right after it was broke in and I think if you didn't know, you would have no idea it was there.

I say if your going to spend the money, get a real LSD like a Kaaz or a Quaiffe.

I hate to see people throw 200 bucks down the drain on something so miniscule.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

I hate to see people throw 200 bucks down the drain on something so miniscule

I agree, and they dont tent to be too resistant to high power out puts, I personally would go with the quaife for a mostly street driven DSM and a KAAZ for a more track car. But IMO I wouldnt even through LSD on a fwd DSM, I have a fwd and Im getting an awd this summer, so no need for LSD.

 

[BaddAssGst]

I agree, and they dont tent to be too resistant to high power out puts, I personally would go with the quaife for a mostly street driven DSM and a KAAZ for a more track car. But IMO I wouldnt even through LSD on a fwd DSM, I have a fwd and Im getting an awd this summer, so no need for LSD.

I would agree that AWD > FWD on hooking up but some people make due with what they got. My best advice would be to throw a true LSD in there and call it a day. Sure they are expensive but if your planning on making the car go fast, putting down good times, or even trying to have fun on the street, I'd highly recommend it.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

Unlike the other 2 posters, I have the SBR tranny inserts in MY car. I immediately noticed the lack of torque steer, coming out of turns is a lot nicer also. I would recommend getting at least the motor mount inserts along with them, the combo helps turn wheel hop into spin which is better on the tranny.

Are they as good as a Quaffe/KAZZ??? NO. But for $200 they work fine if your gaols are in the 300-325whp.

 

[T is for TURBO]

What about getting and AWD half shaft... Equal lenght half shafts = less torque steer. And wouldn't it help a little bit with traction? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong!

 

[george5366]

Unlike the other 2 posters, I have the SBR tranny inserts in MY car. I immediately noticed the lack of torque steer, coming out of turns is a lot nicer also. I would recommend getting at least the motor mount inserts along with them, the combo helps turn wheel hop into spin which is better on the tranny.

Are they as good as a Quaffe/KAZZ??? NO. But for $200 they work fine if your gaols are in the 300-325whp.

Thankyou thats what i wanna know, i want people who actually has them. dont get me wrong, thanks for the input from everyone else but i decide i am gonna get it, and im leaning towards the sbr insert. since the tranny is already off and dont have the money for a real lsd, but a $200 dollar insert sounds good to me

 

[MyBlack94GST]

Don't do it. I put a BM Tranny one in and spun a front diff conical roller bearing later. I replaced it, but of course it started to whine again.

Not worth it.

 

[project_tsi]

What about getting and AWD half shaft... Equal lenght half shafts = less torque steer. And wouldn't it help a little bit with traction? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong!

They really don't help much at all. I forget where, but I remember reading a page on the coversion and for the price of the parts and the gains (that were very minimal), it just wasn't worth it. Also besides that, the proplem for most high hp fwd's is not torque steer, its plain and simply having the traction. My old setup last year, 50 trim 2.0L, Comp 200's, 22 psi, would rip the tires loose on the highway at 75+mph. I have all that power but no way to harness it to the pavement. I honestly hardly ever got torque street b/c my tires were without traction when it should have been torque steering.

 

[mavisky]

I've got the phantom grip with their full race springs. It's useless unless I'm going WOT. Anything else and it won't lock up and I spin.

 

[BaddAssGst]

Unlike the other 2 posters, I have the SBR tranny inserts in MY car. I immediately noticed the lack of torque steer, coming out of turns is a lot nicer also. I would recommend getting at least the motor mount inserts along with them, the combo helps turn wheel hop into spin which is better on the tranny.

Are they as good as a Quaffe/KAZZ??? NO. But for $200 they work fine if your gaols are in the 300-325whp.

If your trying to incinerate that I'm wrong about it, I'm not. I used to own a non-LSD' FWD turbo. I like, ProjectTsi, put quite a bit of power through it. I woudln't of commented if I didn't know anything about it. But all I know is that with an Evo3 and 550s, there was no difference at all. The car still spun all the way through 1st and 2nd. 3rd gear was where he caught traction. We both agreed he wasted 310 dollars (200 and 110 for labor).

And it didn't help with his torque steer at all. It was just as bad as it was before.

 

[MyBlack94GST]

It made my tranny start making horrible noises and required a rebuild. Don't do it. It's a cheap band-aid for cheap bastards.

 

[jtmcinder]

If your trying to incinerate that I'm wrong about it, I'm not.

Yeah, doesn't that just burn you up? I hate it when people don't understand what I'm saying, especially when I'm writing in English.

- Jtoby

 

[FORMONTOYA]

If your trying to incinerate that I'm wrong about it, I'm not. I used to own a non-LSD' FWD turbo. I like, ProjectTsi, put quite a bit of power through it. I woudln't of commented if I didn't know anything about it. But all I know is that with an Evo3 and 550s, there was no difference at all. The car still spun all the way through 1st and 2nd. 3rd gear was where he caught traction. We both agreed he wasted 310 dollars (200 and 110 for labor).

And it didn't help with his torque steer at all. It was just as bad as it was before.

Calm down buddy, based on what you posted:

My buddy has one in a 1g FWD and I'll be honest, there was basically little to no difference in it. I drove it right before and right after it was broke in and I think if you didn't know, you would have no idea it was there.

I say if your going to spend the money, get a real LSD like a Kaaz or a Quaiffe.

I hate to see people throw 200 bucks down the drain on something so miniscule.

I saw nothing to indicate that you personally had one. Now you say you did. OK, I'll give it to ya...anyway I feel that I'm correct in my statement..."that if your goals are around 300-325whp that the inserts work great." As stated, I have them in my car that is sitting out in the parking lot now, and from my experience with it:

1. It doesn't torque steer anywhere near what it use to.
2. It comes out of corners a hell of a lot better than it did.

Now this is a car that could be but right now is NOT 300whp. The inserts are by no means something that I would put in a 400-500whp beast, the diff would probably just come apart, I don't know. But as stated, if your goals are 300-325whp, they should work great.

A LSD no matter who makes it will not keep the tires from spinning, that is what the suspension/right foot is for, the LSD is to get power to both/all wheels as equally as possible.

 

[mavisky]

Yeah, doesn't that just burn you up? I hate it when people don't understand what I'm saying, especially when I'm writing in English.

- Jtoby

Damn beat me to it

 

[MyBlack94GST]

Yeah, doesn't that just burn you up?

 

[BaddAssGst]

Yeah, doesn't that just burn you up? I hate it when people don't understand what I'm saying, especially when I'm writing in English.

- Jtoby

Ehh, so I used the wrong word somewhere. It sounded good though.

 

[BaddAssGst]

Yeah, doesn't that just burn you up? I hate it when people don't understand what I'm saying, especially when I'm writing in English.

- Jtoby

Damn beat me to it

Assholes... so I used the wrong word somewhere. It sounded good when I typed it though.

 

[jtmcinder]

2. It comes out of corners a hell of a lot better than it did.

There are at least two ways to avoid inside-front tire-smoke at corner exit (besides the obvious of not giving it so much gas).

First, you can get an LSD.

Second, you can increase rear roll stiffness to get some weight back on that wheel.

If you have only $200 to play with, this means you can install an insert (under the first approach) or you can install a mondo rear swaybar (under the second approach).

If you are planning ahead, then it's pretty clear to me which way to go. At some point, you're going to want a "real" LSD (such as a Quaife), which means the money spent on the insert was wasted. In contrast, you will always want that rear swaybar. When you add the real front LSD, you would simply add a bigger front swaybar at the same time.

But all of this assumes an interest in handling. If all you care about is the launch and then going straight ahead, then maybe a very stiff insert will always be enough and, therefore, would be a worthwhile investment.

In short -- yeah, like I ever produce short, technical posts -- whether or not an insert is worth it depends on what you want to do with the car (drag, road, autoX) and how many future upgrades are likely. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that an insert stiff enough to really help you launch will act like a nearly-welded front diff all the time, so heaven help you at turn-in or parallel parking.

- Jtoby

 

[Ryan95tsiAWD]

Wow...so many insert haters in one thread!

I recently purchased an SBR insert for my wife's GST. The reason I got one was because I was tired of ONE tire spinning all the way through first and second. Now it would not have been so bad if it were JUST spinning, but the damn thing wheel hops as the RPMs increase. From the 2 local people I talked to that have them, they said this reduced alot of wheel hop and TQ steer along with locking in both fronts. I just want the damn thing to spin evenly!

I will post up results when I get it in.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

whether or not an insert is worth it depends on what you want to do with the car (drag, road, autoX) and how many future upgrades are likely.- Jtoby

This is about the most honest answer someone could give. It really all depends on your goals.

Mine:

1. I don't drag race.
2. I only hit the autoX course a few times a year. Then I'm only interested in coming out mid-pack, then improve my times over the course of the day.
3. I'm only looking for roughly 275-300whp and have a car that can negotiate traffic with ease.

My car meets all my goals.

I'm 41 and if the car sees more than that, it will be from someone else. So for me, the $200 is not wasted money. With my current suspension upgrades, plus f/r motor mount inserts, The tranny inserts work well for me. I will stand by the saying: "If all you ever plan to see is roughly 300-325whp the inserts work great."
If you ever think it will go beyond that, then I agree that you will probably be wasting some money.

 

[george5366]

SBR insert seems like the one im gonna get. Thanks for the input guys

 

[timawdtsi]

And if you want the same LSD insert as Slowboy, contact:
http://www.rtmracing.com/

Ziggy Dietrich made the LSD insets that Slowboy is carrying.
Actually most of Slowboys machined parts came from RTM
LSD's, Valve cover insets, shift knob's, flanges etc...
His price is a little cheaper as well.

 

[Slowboy]

And if you want the same LSD insert as Slowboy, contact:
http://www.rtmracing.com/

Ziggy Dietrich made the LSD insets that Slowboy is carrying.
Actually most of Slowboys machined parts came from RTM
LSD's, Valve cover insets, shift knob's, flanges etc...
His price is a little cheaper as well.

Ziggy made our shift knobs and spark plug wire covers, that is it.

Please do not spread bad information.

Mike Huml

 

[george5366]

well ordered it today, so i hope it comes in soon. so i can hopefully do it next week.