LS-1 MAF translator vs ARC-2/ VPC

[Tallen]

can a ported maf be corrected by adding some sort of screen in?

 

[BobTurbo]

A ported MAF can generally be used by tuning the Translator a little richer.

Bob

 

[FastRthenU]

I forget who was saying that this is not really needed by most, and is not really worth it. Well how many ppl out there have VPC's, and even standalons that done need them. Why would you want to have that restriction, when you dont have to. Plus you can tune with it, for a damn good price to boot. I was going to switch to a 2g maf, but since i have read this thred i threw that idea out on its ass.

This just makes sense. I love that you can use it as a blow though. That way i will have no restriction on the turbo. Which is a big deal when your running a large turbo. The gains in spool, along with tunabilty i well worth 200 buck. Honesty 200 bucks aint much, and with what this offers it pays for it self.

PLUS i can VENT

I dont care if ppl think im ricey casue i love the sound.

 

[ttawd3s]

2G Maf flows under 500cfm
LT-1 flows 800cfm
LS-1 flows 1000cfm
LS-1 with 4'' adaptors flows 1200cfm

Numbers don't lie. Those are REAL numbers too, not just calculated figures. Plus my Stealth should break 450HP easy.. I reallize you guys aren't talking about stealths, just thought I would try to show off some crank horse power numbers since the 1G DSMs are faster no matter what HP I have... I'm buying a DSM Sunday...

Faster spool-up and the AFC is worth it, let anlone the HP gains..

I've found most the people that "dis-like" the translaotr tend to be people that already spent big money on a VPC, Arc-2, or some other big money EMS..

 

[dsmturboawd]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
How about buying things you NEED first? But then again, you may be one of those people that will forever be stuck in the 14's, so who knows.

im already at high 12's buddy.

this is the 4th post on dsmtuners and im already being roasted. i didnt come here for this.

 

[Bohrn]

there are some kids here for sure, and some egos that can't stand to be out of the spotlight.

But just take the good with the punks and you will get the info/fellowship you are after.

I get frustrated too, but overall it is a great resource.

 

[FastRthenU]

Well now Ive just finished reading up even more on this on DSMTALK. I started to think about this even more. Mainly about the blow through design. It seems alot of ppl what the blow through design because of the venting factor. I also wanted the blow through desing because of that and also because the intake air temp would be more percise due to it taking the reading after the intercooler.

But as i just read on dsmtalk, the translator has fixed air temp peramiters. So now the blow though desing is only better for venting. Which is still nice. But i think there is somthing none of us thought about? Maybe we dont have to use it as a blow through desing to vent without running rich. I think that the fuel tunning on the translator is good. but i still would think that the use of a AFR, or a S-AFC is best. Lets be honest here. Tunability on a vpc isnt the best, and its probley going to be the same on this.

So with that said. Most of us have them anyway. But on the AFR, there is a funtion on it called EDIS. It buffers the signal from the MAF to the ECU when there is big fluctuation from venting. As does the S-afc with its deacceluration air funtion. Both do the same thing. Well they never worked on are car before because of the Karman. But they should work perfectly on this style of MAF.

Well tell me what you think?

 

[Ramchargers]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
At ANY hp level? A few guys have gone 10's with a 2G MAS. This is more of something to get when you are close to overrunning the 2G MAS. I think everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon cuz it's something new and cool, not something you can actually take advantage of. But, i digress.

Yes at ANY Hp level. No matter how you look at it the GM sensor is a far less restrictive piece than the 2G unit. If a guy goes 10's with a 2G meter on his car how fast do you think he could go with something that really works? Like with all products, time always tells if they are good or not and live up to the hype, we soon shall see.
Mike

 

[Ramchargers]

When uses as a draw through you must return the BOV after the MAF no trickery there. I am stunned the interest in blow through, this is not a big deal if you need to upgrade the BOV do it, just return the vent into the pipe. There in no advantage that I can see other than sound which you will get anyway once this system is installed. If there is some thing I don't see please let me know so I can figure out a way to address it. I have no problem designing hard parts, done tons of them. Bob is the solder guy, I do hard parts. I can think of at least 10 ways to mount these sensors but see no real advantage in moving it for 90+% of the users.
Mike

 

[ttawd3s]

No blow through 4 me... Waste of time, just makes the BOV louder, and hurts turbo recovery between shifts. I have a turbo(s) for power not reckening...

 

[Bohrn]

yep, I'll leave the maf in the stock location as well. I drive my car every day and our police force should have swastikas on their chests.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Mike,
Are you saying that the actual design of the unit is different depending on if it's a draw-thru or blow-thru design? I thought we could use it either way with full interchangability. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mike

 

[Ramchargers]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
Mike,
Are you saying that the actual design of the unit is different depending on if it's a draw-thru or blow-thru design? I thought we could use it either way with full interchangability. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mike

No I have posted about 10 times that is is the same unit for either install. I was refering to the piping.
Mike

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Are you supplying custom piping or can we use the stock MAF ends and then just neck down to our IC piping?

 

[peregrine]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
Are you supplying custom piping or can we use the stock MAF ends and then just neck down to our IC piping?

the latter. i talked to a GN guy that lives close to me and he is running one of these units. said it was night and day too. im on this like flies on shit

 

[ttawd3s]

Originally posted by peregrine


the latter. i talked to a GN guy that lives close to me and he is running one of these units. said it was night and day too. im on this like flies on shit

What do you mean ?? The the translator haters think you have to make 1000hp to benifit from this !!

This is the way I explained it to the 3/S guys.
If I told you your factory air box/can was good till 400hp, would you wait till 400HP to upgrade it ? Hell no...

GN guys wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have any benifit. The GM guys have been inproving turbo technoloy for almost 20 years !!!

A lot of things that are sucessfully applied to GNs will translated into the same on other turbo cars, this is one of those things.

peregrine your GN friend is prob. older and wise about turbocharged cars, right ? If a person is crazy enough to drive around in a car that looks like a turbo regal, you KNOW that motor has to bad ass !! ( J/K, I gotta talk smack about the GN b/c there so freaking fast ! )

 

[BobTurbo]

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[peregrine]

Originally posted by ttawd3s


What do you mean ?? The the translator haters think you have to make 1000hp to benifit from this !!

This is the way I explained it to the 3/S guys.
If I told you your factory air box/can was good till 400hp, would you wait till 400HP to upgrade it ? Hell no...

GN guys wouldn't be doing this if it didn't have any benifit. The GM guys have been inproving turbo technoloy for almost 20 years !!!

A lot of things that are sucessfully applied to GNs will translated into the same on other turbo cars, this is one of those things.

peregrine your GN friend is prob. older and wise about turbocharged cars, right ? If a person is crazy enough to drive around in a car that looks like a turbo regal, you KNOW that motor has to bad ass !! ( J/K, I gotta talk smack about the GN b/c there so freaking fast ! )

i mean that im on this like flies on shit because its a great idea yeah his car is pretty fast only has 20000 original miles too. keeps it in the garage and only takes it out in the summer. especially around hot august nights.

 

[ttawd3s]

I was being sarcastic... My friends had 28K miles on it. In the last 4 years he's put 4K miles on it !! Crazy Gn mofos !!

 

[bottledbird68]

just subscribing. I like the thought of this can't wait to hear from some other users

 

[highbooster]

Where can I find the LS-1 with 4'' adaptors that flows 1200cfm? My turbo flows +1300cfm. Is there a higher flowing mass I can run?

Lij Allen
strokerimports.com (comming soon)
strokerimports.4t.com (now)
[email protected]

 

[Ramchargers]

Originally posted by highbooster
Where can I find the LS-1 with 4'' adaptors that flows 1200cfm? My turbo flows +1300cfm. Is there a higher flowing mass I can run?

Lij Allen
strokerimports.com (comming soon)
strokerimports.4t.com (now)
[email protected]

I does not hit 1200 and just stop, it can pass way more than 1200 just at a higher pressure drop. The higher the pressure drop the harder the turbo has to work to suck air through it and the slower it spools up. In an application like yours the difference between a 1G sensor and the 3.5 GM sensor would likely be 7/8 PSI booost at the same wastegate setting. Now could you readjust your gate to get the diference back sure, but that is how much harder the turbo has to work to get up to speed. In an extreme case like yours it may never get to the same wheel speed. The difference in work is a direct HP loss.
Hope this helps,
Mike
BTW we make the 4" adaptors

 

[eclipse2via]

Originally posted by Ramchargers


BTW we make the 4" adaptors

In addition to these I have heard you mention couplers for sale. I cannot find them anywhere on your website. Is your FAQ coming along? Hope you're feeling better. Thanks

 

[STARION]

RRE sells transition couplings, so does extreme, DSMotorsport, and plenty of others.

 

[SOURCE1064]

I just order the ramcharger MAF translator. Can I use this SLP MAS?

http://www.proformance-motorsports.com/camaro/intake/Mass-Air-Sensors-98-00.html

or this

http://www.proformance-motorsports.com/camaro/intake/Mass-Air-Sensors-01-03.html

The difference between the two is the first is a 98-00 and the secibd 01-03. Which one would be best to get