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LS-1 MAF translator vs ARC-2/ VPC

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Originally posted by GVR-4
But we'll be forcing up to 22psi through this thing if it's blow through. Aren't MASs still a bit fragile?


I'm more concerned about ~30 psi? I know GNs make some massive power, but do they run boost that high? I'm thinking no. Any insight as to how strong these are at about 30 psi boost in blow through mode will be appreciated.

I think the blow through setup opens up a lot of doors for people like myself that want to switch to a "real" BOV like tial, but without VPC can't drive the thing everyday when there is no way to vent it back in. To be able to put the sensor right at the TB, and vent a large BOV with no ill side effects, is exciting stuff. ;)

Another thought about the GM mas size... in blow through mode you could get away with a maf in the same diameter as the upper piping, or in my case 2.5". The air is compressed, and the mas will look just like your IC pipe to the incoming air. Having a 3" would make up for the small amount of area lost to the sensor parts inside the pipe. But going any larger probably wont help. In fact going from small to big to small is the major reason why we DONT want to gasket match the exhaust mani, etc. Conversely, when using one before the turbo, you want it to be the same size as the turbo inlet. For most turbos, thats no problem. But when getting up to 4" inlets a 3" mas will become a restriction again, though not nearly as bad as a stock mas. But then again how many people are running stock mas (especially 1g) with a turbo large enough to require 4" inlet. ;) I think for poeple in this group, blow through is the way to go, and this opens up a much cheaper route to tossing the stock mas...

I am axiously awaiting a report on how well this works in blow through. If anyone does it, please, for the love of God, post the results with as much info as possible ;)
 
I just got off the phone with Dejontool and they said they are waiting for the MAS Translator to get to him before he can make the pipe. From there on he said it should only be a few days until they can be sold. He said that price will hopefully be similar to the MAS pipes he has for sale that use a VPC instead of MAS. Hopefully the translator gets to him soon!
 
Just so you know, my friends GN that had a T-66 and COMPLETLY stock motor ran 30psi... Big intercooler and Alcoy injection, and never took the valve covers off... It ran 11.60s like that on Drag radials.. 30,000 miles on the orignal miles, stock from the inake manifold to the oil pan.. No porting, no valves, no cam, no anything, but one of the baddest cars ever built.. Kinda like a 4G63 of yestur-year... And it weighs 3400 factory ( no power options ) with PERFECT SHOW CAR INTERIOR...

A GN running 30PSI is A LOT more air than a DSM running 30psi... It would almost take 60psi on a DSM to equal the amount of air that the 3.8L regal motor is using... Or should I say not using...

The bad part about this story is that he didn't have a "blow-though" set-up.. GNs didn't have blow-off valves, my friend says blow-off valves are for people who don't know how to drive a turbo car, another words, if you never let the TB slap shut, when your in boost, you'll never need a BOV... Which is true, but I'm gettong rid of my BOVs anytime soon.. hehe..

PS: He wasn't trying to be a dick about the BOV, it just sounds like it..
 
GNs are automatics as far as I know. Which means those guys don't have to close the throttle to shift. We do; a BOV is necessary. Tell your buddy to put that in his pipe and smoke it.

dp
 
No BOV is fine on a straight track. But road race stop and go and daily drivers should definately have. As for BOVs are for people who don't know how to drive turbo cars :rolleyes: . Unless you want to 2 foot all your stops and try to consume extra boost he's off his friggin rocker. Where does all that extra boost go when you get on the brakes after a hard run? Nowhere, your compressor will start to surge and just pump heat into the piping full of deadlocked air. The exhaust manifold is still friggin hot, the Turbo is still spinning at 100,000 + RPMs, regaurdless of how you drive. I had a Turbo 280Z which was a cool Turbo car, no BOV. I don't claim it to be a good idea, it was a primative car that needed to get with the times. There is a reason for a BOV, it serves a purpose regaurdless how you drive, it protects against surge and keeps the Turbos RPMs UP. Sorry to get off subject guys.

Yeah for the translator, when spring breaks I will buy 2.
 
Originally posted by Ramchargers
I stuck a little info up on the site at 5PM Mon night I have been home sick in bed ever since. I have more text part numbers and the rest I just need to get heatlthy enough to get back to work. I will keep tryig to answer these questions.
Mike

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Originally posted by DrZiplok


$98.16. Screw the junkyard, I'm buying new.
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Mike what part number is that? Is it the 3" or 3 1/2". Website sucks unless you have part number.



I was talking at Dr.Ziplok. Thank you Ramchargers for any info about buying the MAS. I know zip about buying Chevy parts;) Of course it's in your interest to help us all out. Can't wait to try it out rather than 2G MAS on 1G.
 
Originally posted by DrZiplok


From where? Cheap-ass DSM-owner minds want to know! :mad:

(translator already ordered)

www.impalassforum.com

Post in the classifieds that you want an OEM MAF. I got a couple of replys and one guy had 4 he was selling. As far as brand new, www.gmpartsdirect.com has pretty good prices. Part #25180303 is the 3" MAF & is $98. Not sure the part # on the 3.5" MAF, but you can just do a vehicle search on any 98+ Camaro. And the 3.5" MAF is around $105 from them.
 
Hello everyone, i am not exact on the pricing yet but i can get these MAF's for about half the price brand new. I will know by tomm. I will transfer the savings to anyone that wants one just cover the shipping charges. Let me know. THanks guys, and i cant wait o order my translator.
 
Sorry about the BOV commet, I figured you guys couldn't take that without calling names etc... Sorry I posted it, its just his opinion, and you guys couldn't say,"well, thats not true for a road course car, so he is wrong".

its always about he is wrong, so he's a dick, and tell him to screw off etc..

You are right about the GNs being ALL autos, I personally never close the TB completely when I shift, but like I said I'm not getting rid of mine anytime soon...

I'm getting a little tired of the message board HATE that people always give out.. about half of the messages that I get a notice in my mail box about a "new post" on the boards turns out to be a name calling contest.. Were here to help, compare, and brainstrom together to try and make are cars better, but it ends up being a dick measuring contest almost everytime...

Funny though, this guys car can run 10's on 93oct. and slicks, and 9's with race gas, yet you hammer his opinion... Not to say its right, but..
 
can the sensor be cleaned? with what? As a blow through it will get some oil on it, wheather it be from the crankcase, or from the K&N style air filter and it will need to be cleaned at some point.
 
how many of these thins are being made? Are they going to be on back order forever if u dont buy one now. I want to wait and see whats up and get some other comments on them b4 going to purchase one. Thanks for your time
 
lots of drag guys use blow off valves(compressor bypass valves) and on GM/GNX as well. Guy at work who has a 454 70 SS Chevelle used to have a GN and he new what I was talking about. You need to drive the car on the street once in a while hehe. :)

Auto turbo car that is only used for the quarter mile may be ok without it, but there still would be no benefit whatsoever. what do they wiegh, 1/4 of a pound?

And saying bovs are for incompetant drivers is like saying that All wheel drive is for people who can't drive. Or abs or traction control. All those have been proven to be better than even the best drivers in the top forms of racing and have been banned in most of them as well.

Oh well, I like GNs alot, maybe he should just decide that almost all cars can be good and appreciate other peoples rides, instead of dissin everything that is not a turbo Regal. Like some people here should also not dis everything that is not a DSM. Domestic guys are the worst for that tho, anything is #### unless it is a Dodge/Chev/Ford. Even when it beats them.
 
My friend is definately guilty of hating on other peoples cars b/c it not a turbo regal... He hates my stealth b/c its expensive, he hates my civic b/c it takes nitrous to be fast, and he doesn't like V8s b/c they aren't as effiect as turbo cars.... Suprisingly he LIKES DSMs !!! Kinda weird I guess, kinda how most V8 guys exsept DSMs b/c they demand respect with there 1/4 mile times and cheap aftermarket..

I just tell him," I meet you on ANY road course you want with my stealth!!" That shuts him up most the time... But he's busting 9's, while I'm praying and hoping and praying to break into the 10's, which may only be low 11's in the end... Either way, my car is FAR sexier, IMO...

He is also a general in my Vette hating Army ( well, at least my brother, him, and me.. some army.).

Like I said, I'M NOT GETTING RID OF MY BOVs...
 
Hi guys.

Mike Licht is in the hospital for a couple days. He should be back on line soon.

In the mean time I will try to take up the slack.

Translator production has started. First shipments will probably ship to customers around the middle of next week.

Are there any lingering questions? This thread is really long and I may have missed some.

Bob
 
i have one. i saw on the website that there are several ramcharger stores. which one is specifically producing the units? i plan on calling next week to order a unit. thanks, john
 
There are always questions! See, I've got one now. 8)

I note from pictures that the GM MAF is three basic pieces; the center and two end-pieces.

I recall reading Mike commenting earlier that using nonstandard end-pieces (he mentioned the plastic and shaped ones) wouldn't work with the translator.

I'm tinkering with hiding this animal inside the stock 1G DSM aircan, and the best way to do this, it seems to me, would be to have the center and the inlet inside the can, and the outlet on the outside of the can in the same place the can's current outlet is.

This would lead to there being a small (18ga?) gap between the MAF core and the outlet side end-piece. The gap wouldn't be very deep; only the difference between the inner diameter of the GM MAF and the 3" hole in the aircan.

Would this (either spacing, gap or both) significantly affect the performance of the MAF? If the gap were filled (carefully) with silicone, would that be better?

I realise this is something of a suck-it-and-see situation, and it's quite possible that the electronics on the side of the MAF won't fit inside the can; I'd just like to make sure I'm not wasting my time with this plan...

Thanks, and best of health to Mike.

[edit] It occurs to me to ask; is the 3" figure for the GM MAF the inner diameter, or does it reflect the hose ID that will fit over the ends?

If the latter, then I would expect to be able to trim the stock aircan outlet and a small amount of surrounding material, then replace the current bolts holding the MAF together with slightly larger ones and run the outlet pipe out through the new hole in the aircan, resulting in zero change to the internal shaping of the MAF.

Now I just have to wait for someone on the Impala forums to offer me a MAF *fidgets* I bet they're going to get sick of us real soon...
 
Ramchargers is the distributor / vendor. The units will be available in all their stores as well as mail-order / internet.

The Translators are manufactured by Bailey Engineering.

As far as hiding the MAF inside the air can. There are a few GN guys that have done the same California Camoflage. It works excellent on a GN and judging by the stock aircan I have here it will work even better on a DSM. The plastic ends aren't worth the effort or $$ IMO. I would not disturb the stackup of the MAF parts/guts.

3" is the O.D. where the hose clamps on.
 
Just to be absolutely certain, any GM MAF from the mid to late 90's will work with the translator? They all have the same electrical connections?
I'm heading out to the yard today, I'm going to try to find one with an ID as close to 2.5" as possible.

Thanks,
Marshall
 
No, not "any" MAF. The Impala SS sensor (cop cars too) was also used on a bunch of different cars. I / we need to pull together the list of vehicles that you can snag one from. I have unconfirmed reports of 4.3L S-10 trucks, 3.1 L luminas, and others, just no real data.

The MAF needs enough range so it won't hit the top of its range when running on your car.

But, if it looks like the Impala MAF, chances are high that it will work.
(if it's dirt cheap, it's probably worth trying.)

Bob
 
I did a search at salvage yards and came up with things like 1997 Buick Skylark, 1996 Chevy Lumina, 1995 Chevy Monte Carlo, 1996 Chevy S-10, 1995 1994 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 1996 Achieva, 1995 Grand Prix, 1999 Chevy Malibu, .... I don't know if these will work though. I seached for the mass air sensor for a 1996 Impala.
 
I did the same, that's what led me to believe all GM MAFs were the similar. My local salvage yard lets me walk through their buildings, so I'll check part numbers on the different MAFs today and post what I find out.

Marshall
 
The barcodes on those MAFs may be different, there is a number hot-stamped into the plastic. look at those, especially the last 4 or 5 digits.

Take a flashlight and magnifier....

Bob
 
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