Looking for "engine" corporation ,Coates head

[FireyIce01]

That does make you think though. If it was such a great thing, the top auto makers would be scrambling all over it.

Funny you mention that...

Hello Jonathan,

Thanks for your inquiry. Comptech has a long history building Mitsubishi engines for competition. We built engines for the Archer Bros. (back in the mid
1990s) for the World Challenge series. Our 4g63 Turbo engines were making a reliable 430HP in competition. These engines , of course would not be street legal engines because of the smog regulations and street gas limitations.
We would be interested in doing machine work for you on your engines.
As far as developing an engine with a cylinder head utilizing rotary valve technology is concerned, I hope you have a big pile of money. This technology has been around for decades and none of the big manufacturers (or race teams) are using it.
The rotary valve configuration offers promise in the 20,000+ rpm ranges, where the reciprocating valve can't go, but at real world rpms the rotary valve has never proven to be as efficient, Even in Formula 1, where billions of R/D dollars have been spent over the years (and rotary valves have been tried in testing) the reciprocating valve is still being used.
Let us know if we can help you with machine and assembly requirements.
Check out our website at comptechusa.com
Jonesy Morris
Engine Shop Manager
Comptech Machine

On the bright side... I've found myself a machinist

 

[autronicDSM]

Why did you post that? I was waiting for burlydude to find this out the hard way.

 

[Velo7825]

Yes it is true that the rotarty valve has been around awhile, since 1961 when coates first started the project. From my research so far the biggest downside of past designs has been the inablitly to seal the ports during each stroke the valve was closed. However within the last few years coates has patented the newest design utilizing a carbon-graphite seal of some sort that will apparently solve this problem.

One reason top automakers may not have been interested in this, is because it would cost them money to retool, lease the patent, get people to accept new technology. It would also reduce the kickbacks automakers recieve from the oil industry. If it's not broke don't fix it mentality. Also from what I've read coates and other rotary deigners have tried to sell this to automakers in the past with the design flaws it still had. So they may be waiting to see if the newer version will actually work as advertiesed before accepting it. And even without it they will still sell cars so what do they care.

All this stuff can be found on the net with a search for "rotary port valve coates"

if anyone finds info on someone working with rotary valves prior to 1961 and someone other then coates post a link please.

 

[Defiant]

It would also reduce the kickbacks automakers recieve from the oil industry.

Oh, please. Yeah, the big, bad automakers and the magical 100mpg carburetor they're keeping secret.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

I am still wondering where you are going to get all the money for this prototype motor, and unique head, and titanium parts. This stuff costs regular car companies millions in R&D. And how did you get the title of "Head Engineer"?

 

[FireyIce01]

I am still wondering where you are going to get all the money for this prototype motor, and unique head, and titanium parts. This stuff costs regular car companies millions in R&D. And how did you get the title of "Head Engineer"?

2 different people doing 2 differnt motors... the titanium thing is all burldude's, so is the title.

 

[Velo7825]

Oh, please. Yeah, the big, bad automakers and the magical 100mpg carburetor they're keeping secret.

I'll try and find an article later, but do you really think i can't find a single news report on past allegations of linking Oil companies to Automotive companies?

And its not only the mpg increase but think if no one had to change their oil for 80k miles even, the oil company would take a gigantic hit.

 

[burldude]

The oil companies all but did put the franz million mile filter out of business . There filter used a bypass system that filtered down to a tenth of a micron . When aircraft would need to be certified they would have there oil tested . The personal testing would say bogus test "the oil is to clean " . Frantz filters are still marketed and I have one on my built 355. It keeps the oil like new for 20,000 then you just change the paper filter and add a quart . I have changed my oil once in 60,000 miles

Iam still working with coates and I found some financial backing from a major University.
They are looking for proffit so Iam going to have to continue with my endevor . Looks promising , God be blessed . If it doesnt go through, Big deal ti valves already bought , but I would like to contribute to the dsm world

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

The oil companies all but did put the franz million mile filter out of business . There filter used a bypass system that filtered down to a tenth of a micron . When aircraft would need to be certified they would have there oil tested . The personal testing would say bogus test "the oil is to clean " . Franz filters are still marketed and I have one on my built 355. It keeps the oil like new for 20,000 then you just change the paper filter and add a quart . I have changed my oil once in 60,000 miles

Iam still working with coates and I found some financial backing from a major University.
They are looking for proffit so Iam going to have to continue with my endevor . Looks promising , God be blessed . If it doesnt go through, Big deal ti valves already bought , but I would like to contribute to the dsm world

I'm still lost as to how you're getting grants from a "major University" when you can't type a post, let alone a request for a half million dollars. Hell, one grammar error on your resume, and it probably cost you the job (unless you're applying to McDonalds).

And what is this oil filter you speak of? With your proven track record, I'm going to call BS once again I think you meant "Fram" oil filter, and they definitly don't last >5,000 miles (atleast not in anyone but your motor).

 

[burldude]

Its called the Frantz filter . Before you really start trying to discredit , mirage2lturbo. Check it out and read some of the testimonials .
www.wefilterit.com

Yeah I misspelledit in my original post . I use spellcheck when it really matters,like writing for funds

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Its called the Frantz filter . Before you really start trying to discredit , mirage2lturbo. Check it out and read some of the testimonials .
www.wefilterit.com

Yeah I misspelledit in my original post . I use spellcheck when it really matters,like writing for funds

The miracle of the engine world.. yet no one runs them. Imagine that.

 

[FireyIce01]

The miracle of the engine world.. yet no one runs them. Imagine that.

Did you check out their site? The damn things are like $160... I don't care if it does last 80,000 miles or not, I'll pay for the cheap filters that only last 3000 miles ;o)

Also, another update on Coates... just got a reply to the e-mail I wrote on monday or tuesday...

October 1, 2004

To: [email protected]

Re: Rotary Valve Head

Mr. Bishop, your September 25th email reached us, and it is a pleasure to hear from you. At this moment our innovative technology has not been released to motoring enthusiasts. No product catalogs or pricing sheets have been assembled since the great proportion of our time is being directed into electrical generation, pumping, and large truck engines. You are going to have to assume that our timing system works on the engines since we haven’t released them to the public. We also cannot make single or double copies of engines such as the Mitsubishi 4g63t (2.0L inline 4 with turbo) upon request since they would take far too much time to develop and also would be cost prohibitive. Thank you for your inquiry, and please stay in touch with the Coates organization via website www.coatesengine.com

Sincerely,

Dr. Richard Evans
Director

So I hope that burldude's got better response, cause so far it looks to me like I'll be building a standard DOHC turbo for the time being.

 

[autronicDSM]

He made it up while taking a break from his homework. If every one stops replying to his posts he'll eventually have to stop posting.

 

[burldude]

Coates response to my inquire

e: Import Market



Mr. James, your response of September 27th was received by George Coates and forwarded to me to follow up. He is especially interested in the questions you didn't answer in regard to our manufacturing an innovative CSRV system for the Mitsubishi

4g63 nonturbo engine. Who do you represent? What backing do you have to follow this through financially? What is your background and what form of venture are you seeking? Perhaps you can send us some literature describing your operation? Certainly, our system cannot break in the fashion you describe since our valves can never hit the pistons. If you can give us some answers or background for these questions, I'll call you later this week when we have an address and telephone number. Discussing business over the internet is simply not good business. Thank you for contacting the Coates organization.



Sincerely,



Dr. Richard Evans

Director

My response to Coates

Hello and Thank You ,


Let me first say that I'am currently representing a community of over 15,000 enthusiasts who by all means love there 4g63. I have been a head mechanic and engineer for two large corporations and am presently seeking private ventures. I have backing from a very wealthy individual which at present I do not have liberty to name . I will however in time be able to share this with you if we can both agree on terms and agreements that we shall discuss. Quite honestly I would like to see this move as swiftly as possible but we are both burdened with legal matters of disclosure. Honestly I must prepare a prospectus of this in order to move forward on my end. There are also some technical matters that do concern me also , such as leak down percentage with the Coates head. I am very interested in adapting this to the after market community as I stated before. I think that we must continue in a Phone conversation so that we may better establish ourselves .

Sincerely,
Jeremy James, Head engineer

Coates response to me
Dear Mr. James:

Mr. Coates reviewed all the information you sent to us and has come to
the
conclusion that it is not possible for our company to go forward with
any
type of prototype building for you, or ventures with your plans.
1. Prototype costs start at $500,000.
2. You cannot make or use this technology without first obtaining a
license
from Coates International, which averages around $25,000,000.
3. You cannot use the name "Coates" or "CSRV" in any prospectus, or to
raise funds under any circumstances.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest
in
Coates International and its technology and wish you all the best in
your
future endeavors.

Kindest regard,
Sincerely,
Sharon Dunn/Communications Manager

My response, Letting them have it !
Thank you for your reply.

I see that there are still aspects of the Coates head that are still unproven as my questions regarding where not answered. Costs where not a large issue . Leasing the patent from you and construction could have and could still be manufactured in house. As stated before the Prospectus was to appear before one individual. Obviously your company is not pursuing private venture or any broad markets of interest. If we choose we will go forward with our own rotary valve design as we have not being shown any design by your company . freeing us of any copy write infringement. I understand over the years your company has developed your "product" and overcome much adversity . I home that we will do the same and contribute to the after market community .

Best regards
Jeremy James

--- "Coates International, Ltd." <[email protected]> wrote:

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

... and cut-off.

I still don't understand how you got private backings for millions upon millions of dollars, yet you can't even type a sentence without putting a space before the comma. If Coates holds the copyright to the rotary head design, you WILL have to license it before creating a similar design.

 

[Velo7825]

Their are about 20 or 30 patents for rotary head design. That was just a basic search, all you need for a patent is one little thing that is different in your design compared to someone elses. However that one little difference can make the design "work".

 

[98spydert]

Seems pretty straight forward, burldude's letters sound like he's trying to bull shit them and Coates' letters pretty much say #### off.
Ms. Cleo says this subject will never progress past this thread :thumbdown

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Ms. Cleo says this subject will never progress past this thread :thumbdown

Ms. Cleo also says none of his ideas ever will.

 

[!^3]

My response, Letting them have it !
Thank you for your reply.

I see that there are still aspects of the Coates head that are still unproven as my questions regarding where not answered. Costs where not a large issue . Leasing the patent from you and construction could have and could still be manufactured in house. As stated before the Prospectus was to appear before one individual. Obviously your company is not pursuing private venture or any broad markets of interest. If we choose we will go forward with our own rotary valve design as we have not being shown any design by your company . freeing us of any copy write infringement. I understand over the years your company has developed your "product" and overcome much adversity . I home that we will do the same and contribute to the after market community .

Best regards
Jeremy James

--- "Coates International, Ltd." <[email protected]> wrote:

You, sir, are retarded.

 

[autronicDSM]

He can't spell even when he pretends to be a head engineer.

 

[burldude]

Thank you all for your helpful input . Some of you remind why I have to pursue my own dreams and goals . Scoffers have always tried to quench the fire of creative engineering . It does not really matter though . The main objective was accomplished. Coates now sees another market infrastructure and must decide wether or not it will be competetive . This will only help get the product in our market or if it was inferior will drive it out of the list of possible modifications . I am assuming that the leakdown percentage is to high to be acceptable .

Oh perfect spelling and gramar I do not have

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Coates response to me
Dear Mr. James:

Mr. Coates reviewed all the information you sent to us and has come to
the
conclusion that it is not possible for our company to go forward with
any
type of prototype building for you, or ventures with your plans.
1. Prototype costs start at $500,000.
2. You cannot make or use this technology without first obtaining a
license
from Coates International, which averages around $25,000,000.
3. You cannot use the name "Coates" or "CSRV" in any prospectus, or to
raise funds under any circumstances.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest
in
Coates International and its technology and wish you all the best in
your
future endeavors.

Kindest regard,
Sincerely,
Sharon Dunn/Communications Manager

The only thing they realized by that response is that you are full of it. First off, they throw you a high-ball price on the prototype head, secondly, they make sure you are totally clear about not using their name or design to profit yourself. What does your "private investor" have to gain from this? There is NO market for these on the 4g63, they could NEVER be cheap enough.. unless you want to sell them for a loss.

 

[DSMJim]

The simple fact of the matter is the 4G63 and Talon Eclipse market is a dieing market. They don't make our cars anymore, they don't make the engine anymore and support is starting to disappear. Notice all our DSM builders are all supporting the new EVO? It is quickly becomming their main business.

The DSM market is slowing dieing and support will become less and less as time goes on. That's only a fact of life with a car thats no longer produced. It's not like were driving classic cars or something or the car is really expensive to begin with that it carrys a wealthy owner base. They are cheap car that go fast for cheap, thats it.

Don't get me wrong, I love my car, but hell it would be gone for a new evo if I could.

 

[Defiant]

Let me first say that I'am currently representing a community of over 15,000 enthusiasts who by all means love there 4g63.

I'd like to know who coronated YOU the representative of these supposed 15,000 enthusiasts.

Be advised, and quite clearly, that you sure as hell don't represent me.

 

[98spydert]

I'll second that motion