looking for 350-400whp

[95whitegst]

so basically i want my talon to have about 350-400whp for a dd and my autox and track purposes. with that said here are my mods what else do you guys suggest to get to that range. (i might have forgotten some things if i do ill update it)

Fuel:
680 injectors
255 fuel pump
aem fpr
aem fuel rail

Turbo and exhaust:
b16g (ported the hell out of it)
evo 3 manifold (also ported the hell out of it)
megan racing 3in downpipe to magnaflow catback
full fmic all welded hard pipes crushed 1g bov on 21 psi
Head:
bc 260 cams
bc valve springs and retainers

Tuning:
maft
safc
wideband

 

[famousstar1026]

port n polish yer head ......dustin from performance porting in colorado will get as crazy as you can afford on porting you ship it to him he ships it back in about five days sickest heads ive ever seen

dustin morris
performance porting
loveland, colorado
970-690-8443

 

[95whitegst]

well the head was ported a little but not anything too crazy

 

[jeffo]

Does your car have the good EPROM ECU? If so, I wouldn't fool around with 650's and a MAFT, I'd get 750's and a chip or DSMLink. Removing 30% of the airflow Hz with the MAFT is going to cause the ECU to pick the wrong timing maps, which causes knock issues, and limits how much boost you can make on pumpgas. When you try to run 20psi the ECU is only going to think you are running 10psi, so it is way off on the maps. Getting the car back on the right maps makes it MUCH easier to run much more boost on pumpgas, which will make it easier to hit your 350 HP goal. 400HP is doubtful with a b16g.

 

[DWR-DSM]

Any drivetrain upgrades? Stick or auto?

 

[sketzshane]

you should be able to make that around 350whp if u purchase a water injection kit and turn up some more boost. U may need to upgrade the 16G if u really want to be closer to the 400whp mark and the turbo is not going to last if being run constantly at around 400whp

 

[95whitegst]

It's auto with a 3800 stall kit and tourque converter. And no I don't have the EPROM ecu

 

[92AWDHX40]

Eprom and dsmlink would help you, but try a different turbo around 300 can be made but it seems you would be pushing it.

 

[willydsm]

More hp = more air and fuel. and then a way to control the air and fuel. more air = bigger turbo, more gas = bigger fuel pump or pumps and bigger injectors. cams , and port polishing can help too. the auto trans will burn up also when you start going big on hp, go with a built 5-spd. and make the car as light as possible.

 

[BullseyeGSX]

Thats why this guy ran a 10.23 because his AUTO burned up dont let anyone tell you an auto cant last

YouTube - QUICK AUTO GSX

but yes a port & polish would be a great Idea also your definately going to want to take that SAFC for a long fall into a small trash can and get DSM Link Im working on getting it for myself so I can get A Decent tune. Also like stated above a second fuel pump wouldnt be a bad idea. STM makes a full blown kit its just a drop in application straight in to the tank with dual pumps.

STM - FULL BLOWN DUAL PUMP HANGER | 1G DSM 90-94

 

[dSmgs-T]

that guys saying auto trans' wont last. their stronger than a 5-speed, no doubt. and x5,429 on going with DSMlink. if you were to do that then you shouldnt have a problem hitting 350hp on your turbo you have now. link is the best mod you do have for our cars!!!

 

[DWR-DSM]

More hp = more air and fuel. and then a way to control the air and fuel. more air = bigger turbo, more gas = bigger fuel pump or pumps and bigger injectors. cams , and port polishing can help too. the auto trans will burn up also when you start going big on hp, go with a built 5-spd. and make the car as light as possible.

There is nothing wrong with an auto tranny. Also he said he wanted a DD and to autox it so why would he make his dsm lighter?

 

[95whitegst]

Thank you dwr dsm. So basically I need to upgrade to link and then what my main question is what should I upgrade or add. Also why would I need a different turbo to hit 350whp I thought the big16g was capable of that espesially since it's ported out

 

[pboglio]

Brake torquing and heat are what kill autos, but I'll agree they are stronger than a manual tranny. I've killed both but a good tranny cooler/fan combo would go a long way on an automatic. I kinda wish I had mine again as they auto's have their advantages. A Big 16g is about as big as I would go on an automatic though if auto-x were the goal.

 

[DWR-DSM]

Thank you dwr dsm. So basically I need to upgrade to link and then what my main question is what should I upgrade or add. Also why would I need a different turbo to hit 350whp I thought the big16g was capable of that espesially since it's ported out

You can make 350 with that turbo, just gonna need more boost and some meth wouldnt hurt. Using a different turbo would be easier to make that power, thats what they are trying to tell you I believe but the 16G spools fast allowing you to come in and out of corners faster(autox) rather than a bigger turbo that would take longer to spool but make more power.

 

[Boost_Addict_88]

To give you an idea, an Evo III 16G is good for up to 385 efficiently. You can squeeze more out of it with a port job, but remember, porting weakens the Turbo, making it more prone to cracking. I'm personally going with a 20G on my 400wph dd (16psi daily, 25 full race), but that's just me. I see you're planning on doing AutoX. +1 on only going for a B16G in AutoX. Remember, the bigger the Turbo, the more it takes to spool, hence lag. You should be fine with 680's and link, but you can also go 720's depending on your budget. Remember, you can always tune down the injectors if needed. Is this a 1G or 2G? Either way, I'd run the 2G MAF (remember, GM MAF's tuning issues). Stock 1G fuel rails are good for 400hp, so there really is no need to upgrade it unless you want piece of mind. Just my .02.

 

[95whitegst]

well i got the aem fuel rail for a good price so i went with it, and its for my 1g ive been in the market for a 2g maf an intake

 

[fran_drivertsi]

If you want 350-400 whp with e316g, include ECMLink, e85 or meth injection. Very doubtful that you will make that much power on pump gas...

 

[Boost_Addict_88]

You can make 400whp on pump, but not on a 16G.

 

[fran_drivertsi]

You can make 400whp on pump, but not on a 16G.

I was talking about e316g and pump gas.

 

[Boost_Addict_88]

I was talking about e316g and pump gas.

That's what I meant. Sorry for mixup.

 

[pboglio]

so basically i want my talon to have about 350-400whp for a dd and my autox and track purposes. with that said here are my mods what else do you guys suggest to get to that range. (i might have forgotten some things if i do ill update it)

Fuel:
680 injectors
255 fuel pump
aem fpr
aem fuel rail

Turbo and exhaust:
b16g (ported the hell out of it)
evo 3 manifold (also ported the hell out of it)
megan racing 3in downpipe to magnaflow catback
full fmic all welded hard pipes crushed 1g bov on 21 psi
Head:
bc 260 cams
bc valve springs and retainers

Tuning:
maft
safc
wideband

If I'm not mistaken, despite your screenname, that you have a 1g? Your mods list looks pretty good. I'd say 350 w.h.p. is doable. You'll be more than fine with 680 cc injectors on a Big 16g. ECMLink is definitely going to get you there reliably. I would change some mods around but given what you have already I'd say it could be done. I don't know if you have the old Big16g or the EVO3 16g, if its the latter than 400 w.h.p. would be possible but it would take big boost to do it and alot of time tuning and playing around.

 

[95whitegst]

If I'm not mistaken, despite your screenname, that you have a 1g? Your mods list looks pretty good. I'd say 350 w.h.p. is doable. You'll be more than fine with 680 cc injectors on a Big 16g. ECMLink is definitely going to get you there reliably. I would change some mods around but given what you have already I'd say it could be done. I don't know if you have the old Big16g or the EVO3 16g, if its the latter than 400 w.h.p. would be possible but it would take big boost to do it and alot of time tuning and playing around.

well i have the big 16g not the e316g, and yes this is all for the 1g i have both styles hence my screenname but this question pertains to my 1g in my avatar, im def in the market right now for the dsm link v2 and im going to give the dyno a shot here soon with my safc and maft and see what kind of number i can get on about 25 pounds.

 

[VTRMIKE]

I have done a lot of looking into the auto trans myself BC I have a 2G awd. The thing I found as a solution to keeping the auto trans together is a BIG trans cooler a end clutch kit from IPT a flex plate from Kiggly, do a full trans pressure mod and with a car over 300 hp never get on it in O/D. I know a guy with 500whp and his is holding good, and I know whats in the car BC I helped build it. Just my 2 cent. good luck.

 

[Eeeeky]

Im wanting to hit 400 with mine. Here are my list of mods to come.

20g turbo
i have 1600cc inj
255 fuel pump
DSMlink
FMIC
Hard IC pipes
SSQV BOV
Also planning on COP setup.

Just rebuild the entire engine/trans.
This is in a 2gb gsx