looking at another car, maf?

[xhaust50]

I'm looking at another 1g AWD as the last deal went bad. The mod list is below. Question is the VPC was taken out, and I was told I can plug in any MAF and run it. Does that mean a stock 1gMAF or would it need the GMAFT? Thanks guys.

"I am selling my 90 Eclipse GSX cars is white, with black interior. Car has the following mods:

Motor:
-Head rebuilt 1500 miles
-Web street grind cams 1500 miles
-mitsu milt, layer head gasket
-ARP head studs
-new mitsu timing belt, tentioners, water pump,etc. 3,500 miles
-bottom end is stock w/ 131,xxx
-Accel wires
-black prothain mounts
-Lucas 550cc injectors
-crank pulley

Turbo:
-Forced Performance 18G with 7cm ported housing
-ported 2G manifold
-DSMotorsports street FMIC with 2.5" I.C. piping powder coated dark gray
-Greddy type S BOV
-Dejon tool intake

Tranny:
-rebuilt 7k miles shifts like butter, NO GRINDS
-rebuilt trans case 7k miles
-Act 2600 7k miles
-brass shifter bushings
-SS clutch like
-newer clutch master

Electronics:
-HKS VPC with new sensors
-Apexi S-AFC black
-rebuilt non eprom ECU
-HKS turbo timer
-PLX wideband
-Apexi egt peak hold
-Autometer boost gauge
-hornet alarm with pager

suspention/brakes:
-Eibach pro kit
-Kyb agx rear, gr2 in front
-enery suspention bushings
-93 calipers 2 piston
-Axxis ultimates F&R pads
-new rotors
-ss lines
-new e-brake cables
-17" 97 talon rims good tires

other:
-Buschur 3" ss down pipe
-Buschur 3" ss catback
-3" test pipe
-4 bolt rear
-warbro 255 fuel pump
-battery relocated to hatch
-H4 headlight conversion
-rebuilt front axles

i sold the vpc the car does not have a map/maf sensor thats why the price is cheaper."

 

[blackGSX2g]

You need to use a 1g MAS or GM MAFT setup for a 1g for direct plug and play, or you can wire in a 2g MAS for a cheap upgrade.

 

[xhaust50]

So I can test drive this car by taking my MAF out and putting it into this car? How about the UICP. Isn't there a gap for the VPC? (I know nothing about that).

 

[Dream On]

I thought the prothane mounts were red..?

 

[larsenracing]

They come in black to and who knows what other color.

 

[xhaust50]

So does that mean I should be able to just bring my MAF and drive the car?

 

[Quasimondo]

You can do either, but I see fitment problems:

1. If you use the MAFT, you'd have to hack up the UICP to make it fit. You could install it in a draw-thru configuration, but you'd have to find a way to recirc the bov.

2. If you use a 1G MAS, you'd probably have to find an intake pipe that will fit the inlet of that turbo, unless that 18G uses a TD05 housing. If that's so, then you'll be fine.

There are no gaps in the piping for the VPC, just two bungs near the throttle, one for the MAP sensor, one for the air temp sensor.

 

[xhaust50]

Also, what does rebuilt non-eprom ecu mean? Does this car usually come with an eprom? Something to worry about?

 

[xhaust50]

Also, what does rebuilt non-eprom ecu mean? Does this car usually come with an eprom? Something to worry about?

 

[blackGSX2g]

Quasimondo is correct. Your cheapest route would be to adapt a 1g MAF to whatever intake pipe you need to fit your compressor housing. You should be able to tell us what size it is by reading the letters/numbers on the housing itself.

If you want tunability, getting the GM MAF and cutting out a section of your UICP would be the way to go. To go this route, you will need to purchase the translator for around $200 and a GM MAF for around $50.

As far as EPROM is concerned, EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) is a chip that was implicated in only some of the lucky 1g cars. It allows for reprogramming of ECU functions to compensate for injectors, different MAFs, AFRs, etc; or to have infinate variablility with DSMLink. To get these functions, one must aquire an ECU equipped with EPROM and have a socket put in place so an aftermarket chip can be placed in it.

Your non-EPROM ECU will function just fine, but if you want different tuning chips/software, an EPROM ECU is required.

 

[xhaust50]

Your non-EPROM ECU will function just fine, but if you want different tuning chips/software, an EPROM ECU is required.

What about using the SAFC and a logger to tune? Is this still fully functional with a non-eprom ecu?

 

[xhaust50]

By the way here is a pic. BOV is not recirculated so my MAF won't work for a test drive, right? Also, what are your thought on this car? Maybe my best bet would be to make a PVC intake that recirculates for the test drive, that way I know my MAF will fit and it will also run a little better being that the BOV is recirculating? Both the 14B and 18G have the 2.5" inlet right? Lastly, the electronic plug for the MAF would still be intact and near the air filter?

Sorry for all the questions. The car is about 45min away so I don't want to drive there to realize I can't drive the car.

 

[blackGSX2g]

What about using the SAFC and a logger to tune? Is this still fully functional with a non-eprom ecu?

Yes, the EPROM just affects weather or not you can get it chipped. You can still use an SAFC or any other piggyback device for tuning.

BOV is not recirculated so my MAF won't work for a test drive, right?...Maybe my best bet would be to make a PVC intake that recirculates for the test drive, that way I know my MAF will fit and it will also run a little better being that the BOV is recirculating?

Your stock 1g MAF will work, but the car will act funny as it is loosing metered air. As you said, you should route it back into the intake pipe for better drivability. It looks like you have a TDO5 compressor housing which means you can use the stock 1g intake snorkel. Make sure you get one for a turbo so it has the bung on it for the BOV return tube.

Lastly, the electronic plug for the MAF would still be intact and near the air filter?

Yes, it should be by the air filter but its possible it has been moved around a bit. It should be in that basic area and shouldn't be too hard to find.

 

[xhaust50]

^^ Thanks a lot man. I'm just going to bring my stock 1g snorkel intake, MAF, and recirculation tube.