Life of the Chin Spoiler/Lip

[Prodigy]

rice rocket..

you got a pic of ur lip...

 

[rice_rocket]

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If you want some more pics go to http://www.hotauctionweb.com/Lip

PM me if you have any questions or are interested, I have 3 left right now.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

those lips/chin spoilers are the same deal as a fiberglass front bumper, you drive carefully with either because if you arent careful or arent paying attention to the road chances are you will crack it pretty quick
if your car is lowered a good ammount there isnt any way to avoide scraping occasionally, but even fiberglass can take that little bit of road rash, CF is much stronger and isnt going to shatter just because you scraped on an uprise. but if you hit a pot hole at speed or run something over thats sitting in the road you can bet on a bumper or lip cracking
just be careful and your lip/bumper will last long enough for you to feel like you got your money out of it. but accidents happen, iv seen a few people i know smash up their bumper within weeks of having it painted, some times its unavoidable

 

[V8BWARE]

It escapes me why noone makes these in polyurethane.

 

[Prodigy]

Jesus clean ur car....nice lip...also u have nice jack to...

 

[rice_rocket]

Haha, it was raining all that week.. no chance to clean the car! Even that jack doesn't fit under my front bumper, I need to drive it up onto blocks.

As for the lips, yes you can break anything if you hit it hard enough. The physics of the RM lip tends to have it "catch" on things and break.

The lip I made (since I couldn't find another RM and didn't want to waste my time) Is made so that is LESSENS the chances of breaking.. plus I don't think you can say that the CF is stronger than Lexan. Will it crack? Maybe if I try to bend it.. I have bottomed out my car hard and the bolts on the bottom of the bumper take 99% of the damage. Also just the dynamics of the lip I made doesn't "catch" on things. The only thing that would hurt it is a direct curb smack... which even then the car will make enough noise that you would be smart enough to back up.. and still then there was almost no visible damage.

The CF that I have seen.. like my CF hood. Well it cracks easier, scuffs up bad, clear-coat can be damaged. It just wasn't all that "invincible" that I thought it would be. The material I use is made for bullet proof glass, hockey boards etc. In this application I feel that the material used is much better along with the design.

 

[jonb7007]

Originally posted by rice_rocket
Haha, it was raining all that week.. no chance to clean the car! Even that jack doesn't fit under my front bumper, I need to drive it up onto blocks.

As for the lips, yes you can break anything if you hit it hard enough. The physics of the RM lip tends to have it "catch" on things and break.

The lip I made (since I couldn't find another RM and didn't want to waste my time) Is made so that is LESSENS the chances of breaking.. plus I don't think you can say that the CF is stronger than Lexan. Will it crack? Maybe if I try to bend it.. I have bottomed out my car hard and the bolts on the bottom of the bumper take 99% of the damage. Also just the dynamics of the lip I made doesn't "catch" on things. The only thing that would hurt it is a direct curb smack... which even then the car will make enough noise that you would be smart enough to back up.. and still then there was almost no visible damage.

The CF that I have seen.. like my CF hood. Well it cracks easier, scuffs up bad, clear-coat can be damaged. It just wasn't all that "invincible" that I thought it would be. The material I use is made for bullet proof glass, hockey boards etc. In this application I feel that the material used is much better along with the design.

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how much are you selling them for rice rocket?? and can you make me one in cf??

 

[rice_rocket]

Check your PM for the price, not allowed to post it in the forum.

As for making it in CF there would be no point in doing so, it would break as soon as you bottom it out, or at least hit it hard enough to crack the clear-coat. If you want that CF look you could always add an overlay of fake CF sticker/vinyl on it. I might be able to get some at an extra cost of course... and it would be high quality vinyl if I did, and I would only wrap it on the top, the bottom would get destroyed as soon as it gets scuffed.

 

[TOTalon]

Originally posted by V8BWARE
It escapes me why noone makes these in polyurethane.

We are making lips out of ABS plastic. This plastic is more durable than a lot of the stuff people are using. We took a scrap piece and bent it past 90 degrees but it wouldnt snap. IMHO, dont get a carbon fiber lip if your car is a daily driver. Here is some pics of the ABS lip we are making:

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More pics here:

http://stw.ryerson.ca/~psaadeti/lip_spoilers.html

 

[eclipseman99]

how much are they for a 99 eclipse?And what are the shipping costs

 

[TOTalon]

Originally posted by eclipseman99
how much are they for a 99 eclipse?And what are the shipping costs

Not sure if that was direceted to me or rice_rocket, but I PMed you anyway

 

[jonb7007]

wow.. im not sure if like you tot lip or rice rocket more???

 

[rice_rocket]

I just PM'ed you also just in case you were wondering. I have 2 left right now, maybe 1. I do like both designs, obviously I like mine for my own reasons

You have sharp looking cars, and I love the hood scoop!

 

[NeKiwi]

Life of the RM lip was 6 hours for me :-( You have to watch out for those drive thru's, I caught it and in must have bent backwards, tore part of my front also. The extra 1 1/2" drop it adds to the front is just a little to much for a dropped eclipse.
I do like what TOTalon has in his pics. Without the extra drop, I think the life expectancy will be quit a bit longer

TOTalon shoot me an email at [email protected] with the details of how to pick one up from you.

 

[TOTalon]

NeKiwi, sent you an email.

As for lifespan of this kind of lip, Ive been driving with mine for most of the summer without a problem even though every other street around here is under construction.

 

[Linkizunlistd]

Ok so after posting and reading and reading......I want to figure out my options here cuz I still really want one.
My choices are:

1. GSXtacy's

2. RM Lip ( where can i purchase one???)

3. Rice Rocket's

4. TOTalon's


Ok so can you guys PM me with each of your prices w/ shippin n stuff and if anyone has the information about pricing and where to purchase the RM lip please let me know!!!!

Thanks fellas

Link

 

[SOURCE1064]

Originally posted by Linkizunlistd
Ok so after posting and reading and reading......I want to figure out my options here cuz I still really want one.
My choices are:

1. GSXtacy's

2. RM Lip ( where can i purchase one???)

3. Rice Rocket's

4. TOTalon's


Ok so can you guys PM me with each of your prices w/ shippin n stuff and if anyone has the information about pricing and where to purchase the RM lip please let me know!!!!

Thanks fellas

Link

GSXTCY's off of my website: http://www.its-over.net/dsm_carbon_fiber_center.htm

RMDSM: http://www.rernetworking.com/rmdsm/

 

[Linkizunlistd]

So the rmdsm one isnt even carbon fiber???? well looks like it will be yours Nick......as soon as tax time rolls around....

thanx

link

 

[bOOstd GSX]

Originally posted by Linkizunlistd
So the rmdsm one isnt even carbon fiber???? well looks like it will be yours Nick......as soon as tax time rolls around....

double that nick, and i want some carbon fiber work done. are you up for it?

and as for more pictures on the carbon lip, check out Signal's car, pretty friggin sick

 

[ECLIPSE4x4]

First off Signal does NOT have a carbon fiber chin, it is simply black. Actaully signal was like one of the first to run the RMDSM lip.

I will also Assure you that the RMDSM lip will last a FAR CRY longer than the carbon fiber ones.

 

[TOTalon]

I will add to that by assuring you that our lip will last much longer than the RM lip.

 

[ECLIPSE4x4]

Originally posted by TOTalon
I will add to that by assuring you that our lip will last much longer than the RM lip.

Funny.... are you a vendor?????

 

[gst98spyder]

I can't figure this out... hwy not just buy a lip for 100 bucks carbon fiber then put the stabalizers on ur car for 40 bucks and have a show quality lip?????

 

[bOOstd GSX]

sorry i thought signals was carbon

o well, ya the carbon lip might not last as long but these things might break, but i think they looks kick ass and make the car look more aggresive

my .02

 

[Mr96GSX408]

not sure what the point is
i dont think they look that great. saying its functional isnt really true, for one because its not attached to any sturdy frame to provide any real downforce, besides maybe stretching the bottom plastic of your bumper down from the top half. to say the 13 bolts that affix the plastic to the rest of the car are powerful enough to provide 100 lbs of downforce is kind of silly. second, because the air basically goes in to a concave shape to begin with, and not just a lip, it just pushes back and not down.
i'd say the only thing these lips would do is give upforce whenever you bottom them out on san antonio shit roads.

my $0.02

Actually, I was doing a bit of research on this subject and in fact, chin spoilers actually do add downforce contrary to what you might think. The air is not actually pushing down on the bumper and stretching the plastic like you said. First, we have to understand how airflow works so lets review Bernoulli's Principle.

This guy Bernoulli found out that when air is moving faster over somthing, say... the top of a wing, it is going to have lower air pressure on it due to the fact that air is moving slower on the bottom of the wing. The bottom of the wing will have a higher amount of air pressure relative to the air moving over the wing. Because air always wants to go from a high-pressure area to a low-pressure area, this in turns causes lift on the wing.

Now back to the front chin spoiler. When you lower your car or add a chin spoiler, you are in turn creating a smaller area under your car for air to travel through (area from the tarmac to the chassis). So naturally, air will travel very fast under your car. An analogy would be like a water hose with a nossle on it, the water will tend to speed up as the water flows to a more tapered space. Because air is traveling faster under the car relative to the air traveling over the car, the underside of your car will have a lower amount of air pressure. Since high-pressure air always wants to go to a low-pressure area, your car will have a suctioning affect to the road; the reverse affect of a wing.

Well, enough of my babbling, the bottom line is that a chin spoiler does help generate more downforce. Practical for daily use?..most likely 'no'. Useful at high speeds...I'm leaning towards a 'yes'.