Just can't get that 11........

[Phil1320]

Hey all- obviously I don't have any killer news, but I won't make this long either. I'll keep it simple. HOT day. More cars then I've ever seen at a rental. Tech took a lifetime. My first pass was at noon or so. It was my quickest first pass ever. The SMIC could not hang. Probably the closest group of passes I have ever run. I only made five passes all day. Here they are:

1.72 [email protected]
1.67 [email protected]
1.68 [email protected]
1.71 [email protected]
1.68 [email protected]

The last two passes were with the cat-back off the car, as you can see, for me there was virtually no difference. Car weighed in at 2495lbs. with 1/4 tank.



So, I give props to myself for the driving, after 7 months of no racing, I was able to run that consistent. I really wish I was still in Maryland with drag strip 19 miles from my apartment. I wish I had that luxury.

So, now I wonder wether or not to add the FMIC? Cams? or just bolt the FP Green on. To let everyone know, not one person I've talked to has voted for the Green :thumbdown
Opinions guys?

Phil1320

ps--Sorry, I just couldn't pull it off...the last four times at the strip were 12.0.........Only 5 times at the strip since I broke the record with 12.02 back in September '02. I need to get to the track more!

 

[TurBoGs-T]

At least get you a sidemount, that would have probably done the trick. It's always fun to see good numbers on a 14b.

 

[KPWSerpiente]

FMIC? Cams? or just bolt the FP Green on

All 3. That will take care of your lack of 11 second slips.

-T

 

[Kevin90GSX]

Phil nothing to be sorry about man! You tried and it was way to busy. If the next event is this way I wont be attending them. I only got in 5 runs as well and two with a good launch.

So youre going Green Phil? Im sure you will have me beat with the 500lbs lighter then me...

I weighed in at 2950. I do have the added weight of the cage but once you get that Green on there youre gonna need one too.

 

[Phil1320]

T-..........I am really tired of sitting at 12.0, believe me. But, the car is known for the 14b performance. I don't know yet....


Kev, thanks man! Yes, I've had the Green for at least two months already, it's just waiting. Yes, 500lbs. is alot of weight difference.....and I have more to take out yet...but, yes, I will need the cage soon. I suppose I would be in front of you as you say, but, I will have to learn how to drive the new turbo as well, so I don't expect anything crazy at first. I'll make a decision pretty fast on what I want to do, of course, as always, it will boil down to money and time.


Phil1320

PS--anyone who wants to vote for the 14b staying on or the Green going on, let me know, I'm on the fence.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

My vote would be for the 14b to stay on...youve already made it this far why not keep trying. I would say IC pipes would def push you over the 12.0 hump, but thats up to you. If your trying to keep them stock and run 11s, but Im sure you already know that...
Andrew

 

[Phil1320]

....I have 2.25" piping from the turbo to the throttle body with 2.25" inlet/outlet on the stock intercooler...I guess I mixed some of you up. I am talking about going to an FMIC with the 14b turbo....

Phil1320

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

ahhh I read your profile and said none ...but oh well. Well lower ic pipes would make a greta difference as well, but youve done damn good so far, what cams did you get 264/264 combo? If so I wouldnt think they would hurt performance on a 14b...I know with a t25 it would hurt, but not a ported 14b. Yeah my vote is still for keeping the 14b keep it up I love showing your times to my work/ school ford buddies that make fun of my dsm. Its always great to see them cry...being as though they never want race me.
Andrew

ps whatch out travis is catching up I saw him run 12.4 on his 14b....

 

[Phil1320]

...I haven't purchased cams yet, but I will most likely run 264/272 set-up to prepare for the Green. Now I have not much experience with the cam thing, so I'll talk around for a while and get opinions. There are many guys running cams on the forums here, maybe they can help. What to know--head is bone stock and will remain that way for now. Anyone running 272 exhaust with stock head?

Thanks for the interest Andrew!


Phil1320

ps-Trav is at 12.4......I know....this is anyone's game as there are many qucik 14b cars out there.

 

[MrPikolo]

Go with a front mount and some cams.

I was looking on your mod list, is that up to date?

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

put on the green. you've gotten a lot out of the 14b for a long time, it's time to move on to a real turbo and have some fun

 

[KPWSerpiente]

Phil,
Question is what you care about more...running the times or still using the 14b.
I can't lie..when I bought my dsm over a year ago I knew your name and what you had done. I assume most people still do. If I were you I'd do the cams and fmic...see what that gets you. Always plenty of time to throw the green on a little later.

-T

 

[Nos~4G63]

I say there comes a time when you have maxed out your setup and hit a brick wall as far
as how fast you can go. Being that you are consistantly doing 12.0s I think that may be
the wall for you. As much as I would like to see your car do an 11 I say go forth with the
modding. Maybe just do the frontmount and then make another assault on the 11s or
just go all out and turn that little 14B beast into a GREEN machine!

 

[Phil1320]

Guys--thanks for responding!!....I just gave the profile a quick update, I'm terrible with all that. Should be a little more accurate now I hope.


I have not made a decision on which front mount set-up to get........the guys locally here in CT at VR have a large race core that I may use as a basis. Any recommendations again would help. My deal is that I have a Greddy Type R BOV that I plan to use with the Green, but would rather not use with the 14b, so if I do the front mount there will be some changes that need to be made to run the Green...kinda a pain in the ass. But, I'm ready to get the FMIC....

Also, I would like to collect opinions on removing the balance shafts without a balanced assembly......anyone running like that?


And the cams...appparently on back order for our cars according to local sources???


MrPikolo---your advice seems like the direction I'm moving...

HighPSITSiGuy--I understand where you're comin from...but the Green is patient!

T--I think I will do that......depending on how hard it will be to convert the I/C piping for use with the Green. The 14b is what put me on the map.....I'll see what it gets me...thanks for the vote.

Nos4G63--I think another assault on the 11's wouldn't hurt, especially at a track a little closer to sea level..............thanks!


Phil1320

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

with 264/264 cams and a fmic( not too big) I would say 11s are VERY possible...let me know how you do.
Andrew

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

the big problem is see is this.. the mods you want to do for the big turbo can aid the 14b also, BUT they have to be done differently.. i.e. cams or FMIC would be done either way, but you don't want 272s on a 14b car, and i'd assume you don't want 264s on a green.. so you have that issue.. then the issue with the FMIC setup... however it is still early in the season so there is still plenty of time for another few shots on the 14b, and still get some runs in with the green at the end of the season.

 

[Nos~4G63]

Im routing for you Phil! I have been for a few years now.
My local speed shop has 264's in stock.

 

[5150DSM]

Phil... I really like what you have done, running the 14b to its full potential takes some serious skill. I would think that installing a 264/272 cam combo(even on the stock head) would be the most effective mod you could make for the 14b right now. I think the pressure drop from a large front-mount might actually hurt you at this point, whereas, the cams would raise the volumetric efficiency of your engine to the point where you may actually be able to flow even more boost, or flow what you are running more efficiently. As you said, the green is patient, she will wait for the 14b to run its course. Good luck on the 11's, you'll get there.

 

[ArcticTsi]

Dang Phil. So close as usual. Mad props on the consistency. Like you said, right out the box. I personally would recommend the FMIC. It has really served me well, I dont think I could be as deep in the 12's as I am had I stuck with the stock side mount. The cams may do the trick or they may not. It is really a toss up in my opinion. Of course theoretically they should yield the numbers, but then in theory my huge ass FMIC and venting BOV should not be yielding the 12.1's I am running. I think I will be making a stab at the 11's in the next couple of weeks, we'll see how it goes.
oh yea, phil, I think the seat time is a factor too. If you could dedicate some time or like you said if the track was nearer you would definetly be knocking it down. Were all the passes made withouting lifting? did you lift on the 1-2 shift? I have yet to try to not lift. So my best 12.1 run was done granny shifting. I will practice not lifting on the 2-3 & 3-4 shift next time. See if that helps. Plus I will be trying some C16 for the first time and running 24psi, thats if my lil' 14b can hold it through the RPM band.

You have to just keep running that 14b, phil, like you said it put you on the map. shoot hit the 11's and only you and leon will be the only AWD's in the 11's. Hopefully I can do it next time out also.

Take care bro, keep your head up!

Jose
ArcticTsi

 

[Phil1320]

Andrew--I may just stay stock with the whole engine.....and stick to my bolt-on ways for now, the $$$ involved are getting away from what I really want to throw at the car on the 14b, cams are still an option, removing balance shafts is almost definite. See, the problem is that the engine is untouched from the factory and is bone dry, I'm almost afraid to mess with the integrity of this engine right now. We'll see, I'll keep you posted, thanks for replying!

High PSI TSi Guy- I hear you on the difference thing.....and that's why I may not go to crazy here...and you are right, there's time to run the 14 some more, so I will, I'll see what I can drum up..........thanks for the input!


Nos~4G63--thanks man!!! I appreciate it! So, cams, instock eh? Which shop is your local speed shop????


5150DSM--I will consider everything you have said here.....yeah, everyone seems to be voting for cams.....I will see.....like I said above..the $$$ is my only holdback......but, you are probably right in that it would be the most effective mod at this point. Thanks for the props and the luck on the 11's. I will say that all of you guys up here play a large part in me attacking my goals with the 14b. I think I might have stopped a while ago had it not been for so many people cheering me on.......thanks again!


Jose---yeah.....DANG!!! But, thank you for the props on the runs!!! The FMIC will definitely make its way onto the car, hopefully soon, I think my upgrade stock I/C and Buschur upper pipe are sold , so that will help finance the FMIC. I still don't kno which to run. What do you run? and I think I read you are venting the BOV to atmosphere? You are running the MAF translator right? I have one of those waiting to go on the car as well with 3" MAF. Now I remember, you have one with the 3.5" MAF?

Seat time.. I wish. With my work schedule and the nearest track 100 miles away, it's tough. On my runs, there are partial lifts on 1-2 and 2-3 shifts, the 3-4, it stays to the floor. I mean, I shift pretty damn fast, but, still lifting some. I can't bring myself to flat foot it on the 1-2 and 2-3 yet. The 2-3 shift is my quickest shift, it just so happens. The 1-2 shift is the biggest ET loser though, or could be, it makes or breaks the run.

SO, I'll stay at it....and hope for the best, the mind is churning out new ideas everyday, I'll see what I can do this year with the 14b.....and I hope you hit 11's soon too!!! Thanks for the support, any advice that you think would help, let me know.

Talk to you soon...

Phil1320

ps-head is up!

 

[98TsiAWD]

I am gonna say the 272 exh cam will get you nowhere with the 14b, my experience is that the 272's are for nothing but topend. And Im not sure where you shift at, but I would assume 6k or so on that 14b. Thats right about where you feel the cams really kick in. It almost feels like another turbo just spooled up .

The 264/264 will more than likely help you break 11's, but then you would have to get a 272 exh cam and go through the hassle of swapping them later on for the green.

I would vote to keep the 14b until you break 11's a few times, get a fmic on there, a good one that will work with the green also. Only downside is a big FMIC will slow your spoolup which with a 14b trying to run fast is really important I would think. Maybe a FMIC and an antilag setup?

 

[98TsiAWD]

Oh and are you running a chip at all? I think a chip with no lift to shift would cut a tenth or two off your time. Its amazing how much it helps, the boost just comes on instantly when you hit the next gear instead of losing it all out the bov.

 

[Phil1320]

98TsiAWD--- I am undecided on what to go with for an FMIC...., but I do want one that will work well with the Green. I do have a prom ECU, but no clutch cut. Just 8000 rev limit and fuel cut removed. That is a thought, thanks for the idea. I am unfamiliar with how anti lag works. Hell, I've never even datalogged in my car. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Phil1320

ps- not sure if I will do the cams at this point...........may just keep it stock internals for now...