2G how to do a complete engine swap?

[Meerschaut]

hi,

i bought a mitsubishi eclipse(2G) a month of 2 ago. After driving 6 days my engine exploded. I contacted a mitsubishi dealer and asked him what the problem is and what would it cost. The first thing he told me was i don't got the origenal engine in my car. I contacted the person where i bought my car from and i told him the problem. He gived me an other engine one like i had before. I swaped the engines (and still my car won't start, something with my ignition coils). Whats now in my car: an 2.0l DOHC 16V Non-Turbo (the engine comes from a mitsubishi galant), an ECU from a mitsubishi eclipse 2.0l DOHC 16V TURBO, each sensor is conected with eachother by soldering, (if you want more info just ask)

now my question is what do i all need to buy for getting a new engine. what my point is everything under the hood needs out and everything needs to be replaced a engine 2.4l or 3.0l DOHC turbo or supercharged, intercooler, because of new engine with more preformence i need better breaks, (and lets go on).

Also my car is a FWD is it possible to make it a AWD of it

Thx and with friendly greatings Nick

 

[92AWDHX40]

FWD better off buying a AWD.

 

[B005T3D_1]

holy crap i cant read that... i think hes trying to tell us something but i just dont understand.

if your motor is blown, scrap it (unless somehow its salvagable) put a 1g motor in it or even a replacement 2g and mod from there.you can probably salvage the bolt on parts, the head and so on. was it a factory turbo car, or a n/t? unless im mistaken the ecu is not interchangable between the two. a lot more info would be greatly appreciated!!! the search button also works pretty well too and will help you find info without having to ask a million questions.

 

[PIMking]

relax the guys from Ghent, Belgium. His english isnt the greatest. Your looking at spending alot of money swapping into an AWD vehicle. Also Im not sure if the Euro spec 2g gs's have a 420a or not. but you best bet is to get another 420a. aka dodge neon motor. But you need to find out what kind of motor that he had in the vehicle first. Also have you checked all the electrical connections? If the motor he gave you was the same as the one that was in it something isnt connected.

Whats your natural language? French, German or Dutch?

 

[JMiller]

A picture of your engine bay would help.

 

[synthetek]

Euro 2gs have a 4g63 NT. Your best bet would be to get a 4g63 turbo engine. There is no 3.0L that will just drop in.

 

[Meerschaut]

hi,

the engine that was in the car when he came from the factory was a D32A aka 2.0l DOHC 16V Turbo. what i now have is an 2.0l DOHC 16V Non Turbo.

what i want is to know what parts i need to buy so i can replace my old engine with a new DSM engine (if there doesn't exist an 3.0l then i think 2.4l is the one that exist)

i have checked al the connectors and i hink there are 5 or 6 connecters not connected because theres nothing for.

i'm dutch speaking person (yes i know my englisch is indeed not verry wel)

thx and grtz Nick

 

[synthetek]

It sounds like your car came with a 4g63 Turbo and someone replaced it with a 4g63 non turbo. The easiest thing to do would be to replace it with another 4g63 turbo engine. If you want a 2.4L you will have to find a 4g64 block, I dont know what cars would have them in Europe but here they come in the Eclipse Spyder, and some Galants. The 4g64 is SOHC and you will have to swap the DOCH head from a 4g63. If you search for 4g64 on this site you will find info about doing the swap.

 

[Meerschaut]

yes that is indeed possible but what i want is a whole new block i wil order from this site dsmtuning but the thing i don't know is what i al need to order i just need a list with the parts i need to buy.

and what is the difference between a short and long block

grtz nick

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

You can reuse the the block you have now, put lower compression pistons in it and then add the turbo parts (exhaust manifold/turbo/coolant+oil lines/etc) to it and have a turbo motor. You won't have oil squirters but if you use forged pistons, you won't need them anyways.

Long block= complete engine, oil pan to valve cover

Short block= the assembled rotating assembly (block/crank/rods/pistons)

 

[Meerschaut]

hej,

the problem is that the block i now have got approximately 250000km(155 342 miles) on the gauge. When i did an compresion test 2 cilinders marked between 7 and 8 bar, 1 cilinder marked between 10 and 11 bar and the other cilinder marked at 12 bar, i need to change my valves and i think its also better i change the rest of the engine to then i'm sure i can drive more then 200000km with it (i hope u understand me)

grtz nick

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

Have the head reconditioned with new valve seals.

 

[PIMking]

Hey nick. try this site so it can translate for you better. hope that makes it easier.

Yahoo! Babel Fish - Text Translation and Web Page Translation

 

[thewombis]

Guys, it seems like telling him to start swapping heads, blocks, and pistons could just get him into more of a problem. From what it sounds like, he could just swap a Turbo charged 4g63t long block in, and call it a day.

The EASIEST thing to do in his case, without dropping a whole ton of cash, or (Euro would to get a low mileage JDM 4g63t long block.. maybe one with a harness, and ECU and everything included. Can anyone else chime in?

It would be very helpful Nick, if you could get some pictures of the car, and the engine so we could better help identify what exactly make and model setup you have. We could then better steer you in the right direction to meet your goals.

 

[synthetek]

Guys, it seems like telling him to start swapping heads, blocks, and pistons could just get him into more of a problem. From what it sounds like, he could just swap a Turbo charged 4g63t long block in, and call it a day.

I agree that that would be the easiest way to do it and I have suggested it 2 times, but he still wanted info about the 2.4L. It sounds like the car was originally a GS-T (D32A) and still has the turbo ECU so it should not be a problem to drop a another 4g63t long block in there and change the wiring back to how it originally was.

 

[Meerschaut]

hi,

here are some pics of my engine and the parts around it:

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Eclipse engine - overview

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Eclipse engine - top view

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Eclipse engine - Left side view

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Eclipse engine - Right side view

grtz Nick

 

[j0hn6oo]

FYI, A turbo ECU will not work in a non-turbo engine. It might be as simple as that.

 

[BulletShiftTSi]

If your car didn't come with a turbo then of course you have FWD.

If your going to swap another motor into your car and want something better faster stronger then you should def go for the 2.0L 16 valve DOHC turbo'd motor. the motor code is 4G63T. For a simple motor swap buy the 7 bolt motor and buy one that comes with a harness and ECU, upgrade your motor mounts to stiffer ones while the motor is out. you could even buy a motor with a transmission.

You can't make your car a AWD car unless you want to throw away a crap load of money and do a ton of custom fabercation. and for all the money time and pain in the butt work, I would just buy a AWD/turbo'd version a.k.a. GSX.

like stated above it could just be your ECU and the fact that you spliced all of your wires. double check connections, check battery etc...

 

[boostin92awd]

If your car didn't come with a turbo then of course you have FWD.

If your going to swap another motor into your car and want something better faster stronger then you should def go for the 2.0L 16 valve DOHC turbo'd motor. the motor code is 4G63T. For a simple motor swap buy the 7 bolt motor and buy one that comes with a harness and ECU, upgrade your motor mounts to stiffer ones while the motor is out. you could even buy a motor with a transmission.

You can't make your car a AWD car unless you want to throw away a crap load of money and do a ton of custom fabercation. and for all the money time and pain in the butt work, I would just buy a AWD/turbo'd version a.k.a. GSX.

like stated above it could just be your ECU and the fact that you spliced all of your wires. double check connections, check battery etc...

They did make turbo fwd models,the tsi fwd and gst. He also mentioned he had a 2g so doing the 4g63 swap would be just as hard to do as the awd swap in a 420a 2g. As for what could be the problem as stated above I would also start by swapping the ecu to a non-turbo ecu. But if you have the 2.0 non-turbo motor why would you be buying a 2.4?

 

[96ETT]

They did make turbo fwd models,the tsi fwd and gst. He also mentioned he had a 2g so doing the 4g63 swap would be just as hard to do as the awd swap in a 420a 2g. As for what could be the problem as stated above I would also start by swapping the ecu to a non-turbo ecu. But if you have the 2.0 non-turbo motor why would you be buying a 2.4?

That is not what he is saying. He is simply saying that since the car was non turbo to begin with it could only be FWD not AWD. To the original poster...start with one thing at a time. Try to get your engine working before you even think about an AWD swap. Also unless you get a turbo motor AWD is useless because your power capabilities are severely limited anyway. I would start with a like motor ecu and harness, be it all non turbo or all turbo, it all needs to agree.

 

[BulletShiftTSi]

They did make turbo fwd models,the tsi fwd and gst. He also mentioned he had a 2g so doing the 4g63 swap would be just as hard to do as the awd swap in a 420a 2g. As for what could be the problem as stated above I would also start by swapping the ecu to a non-turbo ecu. But if you have the 2.0 non-turbo motor why would you be buying a 2.4?

I know they made FWD models like the GS-T and TSi. I never said he had to get it AWD I was just commenting and giving advice on his choice and question about the conversion.

+putting AWD setup on a 420A is orignal (and I love orignal) it would just be more work on a weaker motor.

There is no reason why you would want the 2.4L(4G64) in your car unless you were going to destroke it to a 2.1L which by your post I highly doubt your going to or want to do.

That is not what he is saying. He is simply saying that since the car was non turbo to begin with it could only be FWD not AWD. To the original poster...start with one thing at a time. Try to get your engine working before you even think about an AWD swap. Also unless you get a turbo motor AWD is useless because your power capabilities are severely limited anyway. I would start with a like motor ecu and harness, be it all non turbo or all turbo, it all needs to agree.

^^^X2
Couldn't agree more, and yes that was what i meant.

I still say for all this work if you truly are thinking about going turbo make a fwd turbo but don't convert to awd.

if you want awd just buy a car with the awd already done

 

[boostin92awd]

Ahhh my mistake I read it wrong thought he was trying to say that turbo models were only awd.

 

[BulletShiftTSi]

Ahhh my mistake I read it wrong thought he was trying to say that turbo models were only awd.

sadly they are not, tho I bet we all wish they were

"Boosting, AWD, 5speed....my anti-drug"

 

[live4my4g63]

im glad awd is only for turbo, more people would want turbo instead of nonturbo

 

[96ETT]

im glad awd is only for turbo, more people would want turbo instead of nonturbo

I am pretty sure more people want turbo even if it aint awd. Who WANTS a non turbo??