How capable is a 2g's suspension/handling?

[PieEyedPiper]

I realize that a 2g is the weapon of choice for some of you autocrosser's out there, but can you compete with an evo/sti?

While trying to avoid bench racing the handling capabilities of said cars, Does anyone know of a direct comparison available or have any first hand experience?

I just watched a vid in the hangout showing an Evo playing with a Murcielago, and I was curious of our cars are capable of such things.

Without knowing much about the subject, I see suspension travel being a limiting factor for a DSM of any type.
What do you guys thinks?

Disclaimer: NOT a which car is better thread!

 

[asian312]

I think that's all relative to what level of competition or facet of car use you are planning. I've only had enough auto-x experience for it to be negligible, but I think first and foremost its driver skill, then car. Since each driver is different and with that comes different passions and desires, its up to that individual to push and explore the limits. Greg has done wonders with what some may consider old, outdated, and WWD. But he's mixed it up with some of the most exotic machines and prevailed. And when the time came he slapped somemore 'umph' under the hood. Slow has begun to do the same and push a DSM into unchartered territory in TT. DG has done quite a bit with his 2Gs in auto-x and think he knows a thing or two along his way to the podium. There's only a handful of examples where DSMs have been used in racing, but the results haven't disappointed. The one thing similar across the board is a great driver with a passion to see the DSM platform shine. When you reach that level of competition where the car is holding you back you'll probably know the answer for yourself.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Yeah I see what you mean, though I don't see myself ever reaching that level.

I found this in my readings too, it's even remotely recent. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213393&highlight=evo

The discussion didnt really decide or accomplish anything though...except Pillowballs are NOT slotted mounts and Tein SS coilovers aren't automatically "better" becuase they might possibley be well matched spring vs shock.

 

[asian312]

There are alot of choices when it comes to modding cars, but I think it all starts with the basic questions:

1) Is it the car or the driver that needs adjusting?
2) What is the car being used for?
3) Is there a budget? If so, how much

People tend to overlook the purpose and may end up with a nice track setup that makes every day driving a pain. There are others that read our little place on the internet and decide for themselves that 'xx' company is making all the bells and whistles and end up not ever knowing what a good setup is. My advice would be to stick with what's been tested and provided the results you are looking for. Ask around and pm people with that suspension or tire setups. If you have a $$ burning a hole in your wallet be my guest to try the next great 'xx'. Just be sure to come back and write a review

 

[slipstream808]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in that video (I have it) doesn't that EVO have the AYC?? If so well that's a BIG differfence in handling and will greatly affect how the car handles. I mean that alone just takes the EVO far out of the a DSM's capability range. In fact I'm almost positive it had the AYC.

 

[Slow99x]

There is a misconseption about the abilities of the Evo and STI on different types of courses. On a tight autocross course, the Sti has the advantage due to the larger displacement and being able to move the power to the rear tires for tighter turns. On the other hand the Evo is mutch better on a road course where higher speeds and harder braking is needed.

 

[jtmcinder]

^^^ Bingo. Have some Rep points. - Jtoby

 

[aves911]

Just for the record, AYC doesn't do anything that a KAAZ or ATS rear diff won't do in a DSM.

ACD on the other hand....well - I wish.

 

[slipstream808]

I was under the impression they were better as it was controlled by the ECU as opposed to being an entirely "fixed" setup whereby all action was purely mechanical.

And someting else I'm not sure of, does the AYC change the torque bias or not? I wouldnt' think it could, but hey... go technology so I would like clarification on that. Searching for 2 hours hasn't given any good info really.

 

[WatchItExplode]

I was under the impression they were better as it was controlled by the ECU as opposed to being an entirely "fixed" setup whereby all action was purely mechanical.

And someting else I'm not sure of, does the AYC change the torque bias or not? I wouldnt' think it could, but hey... go technology so I would like clarification on that. Searching for 2 hours hasn't given any good info really.

"Competition oriented models of the Lancer Evolution do not include the AYC/SAYC system, as it is less durable and heavier than a standard mechanical LSD. Also, in the hands of a professional race driver, the benefits of SAYC are negligible."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_yaw_control

In that sense, aves911 has a point.

Here is another good link about AYC and (more importantly) ACD: http://www.myevo.com/E7_01.htm

 

[Detail]

emphasis on the "in the hands of a professional race driver" Cause most of us, certainly are not. I constantly look for something that would make be able to drive at a higher level than I can physically do alone.