Holset "race series" turbos

[Optical]

Hi, I'm posting here as im a newbie with not much DSM related material to add, but want to get straight to my question as users of this forum have without any doubts the most knowledge on Holset turbos. Perhaps a mod can move the thread to the tech section later if deemed worthy.

There has been some mention around the world of a new "Holset race series" turbo. There are a few outlets around Europe or Scandenavia selling them.

Here is a link to the info http://www.proturbo.fi/holset.jpg

I'm trying to find out more about them, but they appear to be some kind of private assembly of Holset and maybe non-Holset parts. Certainly Holset as a manufacturer doesnt have any info on a 'race series' turbo.

Do holset produce a water cooled core? - I cant find any info on this
Do Holset make a 54/77mm compressor? - I cant find any info on that either.

The HX35 turbine wheel appears genuine and maybe Holset compressor and turbine housings. Other than that, I dont know whether these turbos are a slap together job or careful selection of oem and other components to make a great turbo. Would be interested to hear others opinions.

 

[boost97gst]

4041276D Holset turbocharger Volvo D7 D7C HX40W 85000454 | eBay

there ya go. Brand new, almost the exact same price and notice the STAMP..... Thats a holset without a doubt. Wacky, big hotside(not familiar w it personally ) but still, there it is. You can find these brand new still. this thread is pointless and i highly question the motives of 2 members posting in here. hint OP: youre one of em.
Btw, just looked a few more down on ebay, another one brand new for 600.

 

[MSETURBOSNZ]

Hi guys
Let me introduce myself my name is Steve Murch i own MSETURBOS NZ i build manufacture and sell custom turbos around the planet more so here in New Zealand a few of my customers have pointed out the discussion on here about so called fake turbos so i hope you dont mind if i clear a few things up.

The above picture of the HRC unit is me these units are 100% OEM Holset units and made to my spec no fake parts are used or any used parts of any form, i sell hundreds of these units and have 100% happy customers that have purchased one.

They all come with my backing not just for use but setups from start to finish, the HRC name came from me to give the product its on identification they are NOT re tagged off the shelf units or anyone elses product like mentioned above each unit configuration is my design from testing to guarantee the results, no using the customer as a guinea pig.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steve-Murch-Motor-Sport-Engineering/255636937679

This is my FB page to which you will find many pictures and results from the HRC unit its often asked what makes them different from anyone else?
Many things to which lets be fair i cant nor do others give away all the secrets but when i sell them apart from a result i tell the customer " try and brake it"

I hope i haven't over stepped the mark by coming one here to which i hope ive cleared up some things but you have my guarantee any product i sell isnt fake nor am i as im pretty well known down this way.

Kind regards

steve

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I dont buy it, but if it is real, you sure do have the ass advertising and name plate #### ups to look fake as hell.

If your selling an hx40/35/h1e/h1c why are you removing or changing anything if its 100%oem. I am callin you out on your fake turbos.

You are not an authorized holset dealer, therefore you cant even use the name "hx40" or holset at all without copyright infringement. The genuine holset logo in the top right of the first picture for example. just because you write "holset distributor" with the trade mark symbols,
doesn't make anything about this legit. Please pedal your junk elsewhere.

Ill also mention these prices are in euros, so your 999 euros actually equates to 1,315 dollars USD. For something that is NOT genuine.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Holy hell Kyle... You live in Canada now, right? Only we are allowed to go in with cruise missles and then start fact-finding missions.

I would have started with something along the lines of.. "in what way(s) are your HRC40s any different than OE HX40s?"

Because I can change an exhaust housing without the mark up and cosmetics by myself.

This guy purports to be the man in charge, ask him some questions. If he offers nothing and keeps going back to "um uh proprietary" and the like - then you crucify them

 

[MSETURBOSNZ]

I very really come onto forums dew to people trying their up most to nail others or just look for ways to have a good time at someone else expense.

You don't know who i am apart from what i've written nor do i know who you are i've merry come on here to try and clear some things up, theres many people selling products who are not authorised dealers that doesn't make what they sell fake.

I cant recall trying to make you guys or anyone else look bad just trying to help i have an extremely good name down here for producing turbos for a lot of NZ top running and national import cars, have done world record holding cars and land speed record holding cars.

Its all too easy to hide behind a PC and judge others for what they do rather than looking at the bigger picture.

And lets be honest here none of you have any intention of buying product off me and im not trying to do any sales pitch but im mature enough to come on here using my REAL name to stand behind what i sell 100%, so you guys have a great day enjoying what your doing

Many thanks for your time

cheers steve

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Okay, wheres all your proof?

Not a week ago someone came in here claiming a 420A record. Lol "hey man, i hold world records too". Right?

 

[WES_393]

"in what way(s) are your HRC40s any different than OE HX40s?"

This is my question exactly. I understand protecting your trade secrets, but I don't see anything worthy of calling a secret. We have the same access to Holset parts catalogs as everyone else and probably the largest collective experience running them.

Not to mention most of us are extremely hands-on, DIY kind of people. I'd rather figure out why something broke and rebuild it myself, even if it's not cost-effective. What's the fun in buying new stuff when you can destroy the same stuff over and over?

So I'm genuinely curious, what makes them so tough and efficient? Who exactly has been running them past their intended level? Honesty is one reason companies like Forced Performance are successful. They might not reveal their suppliers or technical processes, but their happy to give specs for the compressor, turbine, housings, bearings, etc.

 

[MSETURBOSNZ]

Okay, wheres all your proof?

Not a week ago someone came in here claiming a 420A record. Lol "hey man, i hold world records too". Right?

Cant say i really need to prove anything to anyone apart from 30plus years in the industry of producing results but ill amuse you some more.

If you had taken the time to actually read my FB page theres all the proof in the word rather than grandstanding for your fellow Keyboard mates to get a cheap laugh at someone elses expense.

You guys are over 20,000 miles away from me so again you'll never deal with me so i have nothing to gain from doing this apart from what i can see to date in 3 posts on here im cheap entertainment for you.

I cant rattle off many things ive done but all you guys will do is pick more holes in it as its so easy to hide behind a PC rather than sit back and actually think " hey this guy many just be the real thing" its a bit hard to BS over 2200 people that follow my FB page along with the 60,000 that read the mag i wrote for over 12yrs plus dvd's i did.

As for the HRC holsets i sell well guess you guys will never know how well the work and im sure you really dont care, the power of the media like forums can be a great thing it can also do much harm to people and business due to idle minds and the ability to be a bully in the comfort of your home or office, cant say this is a very constructive thing but hey many do it for what ever reason they get off on.

I've tried to be constructive and offer some insight to who i am and what i do and sell again not after any sales i can add much more detail but its not worth my time as im sure you guys have all the answers, based in the negativity i struggle to find one slightest of reason why i should divulge what goes into what i sell

Have a great day guys been interesting interacting with you

regards

steve

 

[ImJay]

wait a minute...I remember a video you did once...back in 08 I saw it was for a Honda Prelude and how to get more power from the prelude?...weird I thought your name seemed familiar...now I feel a bit sad.

Just also looked at some of the other forum's that deal with Steve. pretty Savy.

Feeling a little more sad.

 

[WES_393]

My post was not meant to gloat or bully, but rather explain that promises of performance and reliability will get you nowhere with this community. I can't apologize for others, but it's no secret that forums require a certain thickness of skin.

So again, I'm sincere in asking what makes your turbos better? What technical data can you give us?

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

My post was not meant to gloat or bully, but rather explain that promises of performance and reliability will get you nowhere with this community. I can't apologize for others, but it's no secret that forums require a certain thickness of skin.

So again, I'm sincere in asking what makes your turbos better? What technical data can you give us?

Precisely my intentions as well. I was hoping for some details.. hence my example question. What actual benefits are there to your products over the OE versions?

Data from back to back comparisons? Not all of us are on facebook. I prefer data to advertising and being told to just take your word for it or look it up myself from a vendor making claims

 

[MSETURBOSNZ]

hi guys

This may sound harsh but i really have no need to show or prove anything just wanted to show what i sell is NOT a knock off i understand the fact i'm a no body up your end of the world wasn't trying to be anyone special just being me.

When i lived in the States many years ago i found the people to be very receiving to others and not judgemental but i guess its like any other forum these days the opportunist can't resist getting at someone, people also judge others by lack of understanding of product so its easier to bag it and its how they portray themselves and this topic clearly shows that.

Again i'm a nobody to you guys and as for the secrets of the HRC units i sell?

Well again your not going to buy off me and the USA area im not allowed to sell to and you would only pick holes in it i'm not going to give a list of my accolades either that will create another "bagging" topic of " hahaha i have a world record too"

Iver wasted enough time here so all the best guys i have a 6-8 week waiting list for products i do and services i offer but again you'll need to take my word for it

Ill leave with this thought " if you have so much to offer open your own shop and prove it"

Kind Regards

steve

 

[Archer Fabrications]

You probably cant sell in the states due to copyright infringement. And or its not passing safety standards.


As for your response to wes and landspeed and their genuine questions about your product and the total dodge you did, unlike my bold to the point ness.

All ill say is "ha ha" you know you've just been cracked Steve.

This community isnt one to believe shit Comming from a product retailer/reseller's mouth with absolutely no back ground or data on "your" products, we want results
Well i want results anyway... Or gtfo

This is just like the 420a dude all talk and nothing to show.

 

[WES_393]

This may sound harsh but i really have no need to show or prove anything just wanted to show what i sell is NOT a knock off i understand the fact i'm a no body up your end of the world wasn't trying to be anyone special just being me.

Your absolutely correct that we would pick holes in anything you built. If your not confident enough in your own product to put it under any and all scrutiny, then we don't want it.

When i lived in the States many years ago i found the people to be very receiving to others and not judgemental but i guess its like any other forum these days the opportunist can't resist getting at someone, people also judge others by lack of understanding of product so its easier to bag it and its how they portray themselves and this topic clearly shows that.

Perhaps you could inform us ignorant Americans of how the world works?

Again i'm a nobody to you guys and as for the secrets of the HRC units i sell?

Again, we never asked for your 'secrets'. rof

Well again your not going to buy off me and the USA area im not allowed to sell to and you would only pick holes in it i'm not going to give a list of my accolades either that will create another "bagging" topic of " hahaha i have a world record too"

We prefer to buy products from companies that encourage scrutiny, not dodge it with sob stories.

Iver wasted enough time here so all the best guys i have a 6-8 week waiting list for products i do and services i offer but again you'll need to take my word for it

If you don't need to prove yourself, why do you keep posting stats about your business? You can tell us that you have 60,000 readers and 6-8 week wait list but you can't give a single specification?

Ill leave with this thought " if you have so much to offer open your own shop and prove it"

i really have no need to show or prove anything
you would only pick holes in it
you'll need to take my word for it

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Pwnd...... By wes...

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Anything that a "layman" would be able to pick up on with his mic? Like if you had your own MFS comp wheels made for the 35s and 40s with different inducers/exducers or blade count? Are you having custom hotsides cast? Modifying the turbine shaft assembly or center section? Mar-M 247 Turbine wheels?

What are you doing for what you charge aside from mixing and matching OE components that several of us are already doing? We're not exactly asking for how you do your "secret sauce" just the basic advertised facts.

"My HRC40 comes with our own 63mm inducer / 86mm exducer wheel in an HRC exclusive 13cm^2 T3 with the 10 blade factory TSA"

All bits the folks at FP, PTE, Airwerks, Garrett, etc are all too happy to share.

Nothing like that you can tell us? That's pretty bizarre for some one who stopped by to set the record straight on a technical forum filled with die-hard Holset fans. You said your products are on some LSR vehicles.. which ones? That could be useful to my program and you may be the guy to talk to when this 71mm billet unit taps out at altitude on the salt flats.!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

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Thats my secret sauce. These bearings are TINY compaired to the hx52

 

[ImJay]

^^ Secret shhhhh don't tell anyone. there could be wondering eye's

 

[DSM Chase]

what a scam... clearly one guy making different accounts trying to make these turbos sound legit and sell this crap product.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

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Thats my secret sauce. These bearings are TINY compaired to the hx52

That kit looks a familiar. Lol

 

[Archer Fabrications]

probably heh

 

[Purple_Demon]

Not sure if anyone of you noticed or looked. But he went out of his way to make an nice facebook post about us and "fat yanks" . You all should go read the commentary.

"Came across some interesting and somewhat retarded small minded etc etc thinking on a certain forum in the USA regarding the legitimacy of turbos on the market including the HRC range i sell.
Well where do i start first off all of these units are 100% OEM using custom configurations from extensive testing using Holset components NOT retagged off the shelf commercial units nor any ebay hand me downs nor chinese knockoffs just to clear that up and since my own personal name is attached to each one you get my 100% assurance they are legit.
Anyway back to these somewhat "special" keyboard experts seem to think every turbo on the market isnt genuine unless its from the factory well at that point their IQ reached a whole new low let me explain.
HKS uses Garrett, Blitz uses KKK/BorgWarner,GCG uses Garrett,Trust uses MHI,HRC uses Holset,Tomei uses MHI,Precision turbos uses Garrett parts,Apexi use IHI, Bullseye uses BorgWarner, Turbonetics uses Garrett parts etc etc.
The logic of these people are that all the products mentioned here are fake and we all know thats far from the truth they are top of the line products and very very reputable companies.
Now these units dont use the OEM factory tag and are retagged to suit as per above i hope everyone can follow this? Cool now bottom line based on the "special" peoples intelligence or lack there off would deem all these units to be knockoff's, the best advise i can give these "gifted keyboard pro's" is keep taking the medication or at least change it cause as your logic has no grounding and you have nothing better to do but hide behind your PC with your hand on it.
Whatever product you buy the person selling has to stand behind it if they falsely mislead you its their butt on the line.
Whoever the person's selling set item their reputation is on the line most people don't hide the fact the sell knockoff's or whatever the brand, but when you read these forums and see the "gifted ones" going on about the $50 special that got from a mate you get the idea they will never spend anything more so why downgrade what others sell?
Lack of intelligence for one and get off on doing harm to reputable business due to having nothing better to do with their time, rant over "



OP:
I honestly have never known or discussed with anyone knowing there to actually be a race series of holset turbos. So yes I would have my doubts about running them.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

So instead of answering the questions posed by Wes and myself, including a direct question about him mixing and matching OE parts like we already do.. he went and made some pissy post on Facebook where he says that basically all he is doing is mixing and matching OE parts.

I never insinuated anything about ebay/china parts. This is literally from my post (#41) two days ago:

What are you doing for what you charge aside from mixing and matching OE components that several of us are already doing?

Classy guy. It sure does take someone "special" to pretend that is something that needs to be kept secret.

Bullseye and PTE actually modify Borg and Garrett components (respectively) for the record..

There is no "race series" of Holset turbos. That is why his advertising as it is currently constructed is misleading.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Someone should blow up his fb in regards To his post.

Its funny he claims they arent re tagged units, but he re tags them .

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Someone should blow up his fb in regards To his post.

I don't think that would help, that's just childish..