HKS F-Con V-Pro

[ProjectTalon92]

Has anyone had experience, or have any input on this "computer/piggyback" system? i've looked and looked for some information on this, but no little luck. and the results i have found don't have anything that might relate to DSMs. any input would be nice.

 

[GVR4592]

It's a full standalone, it can only be tuned by an authorized dealer, it's expensive, but it works. What are the goals for your car and what do you need your engine management system to do?

 

[turboglenn]

Don't know much about that one, I've stayed away from HKS after buying one of their vein converters years ago and the extra little boxes you had to have to adjust it further. This was on an 88 turbo II Rx-7. I also have their profec in my car. And honestly, i just think they are way too expensive for what you get in most of their products. I can't find any software download to have a look and see how capable it is, so if you find the download, give me a link and I'll have a look and tell you what i think. I've been putting in stand alones for well over 10 years now, so i can page through most of the maps and input and outputs and tell if a unit has a good deal of potential or if it's fairly limited in it's abilities.

For the price i would go with a little more of a tried and trued system such as haltech, autronic or AEM (aem is priciest though) and have it tuned by some one who knows the system. Hooking them up is a little hard, setting up all the trigger angles, edges, charge rates for the coils and everything like that will drive you crazy. The aem is the only one that's directly setup and available for DSM operation. The haltech requires a good bit of wiring and setup, but i could send you a DSM setup baseline to where you wouldn't have to guess at it and pretty much a complete wiring guide thta uses the factory harness if you're on a 2g, and just slightly less info on going through a stock 1g harness, usually the 1g one's are pretty cooked so we pull the whole engine harness and replace it with teh stand alones fresh harness

 

[GVR4592]

Hey Glenn, did you hear the latest news about Autronic? Check out their website....if you can find it.

 

[turboglenn]

Hmmm..All i get is "new site coming soon". But last i knew they were still going good. The place where my car was dyno's just pulled a really old haltech unit out of a Supra that's being built there, and there's an Autronic SM-4 waiting to go in it. What's the word on them? You got some juicy inside info? :

The only wa y i could fine it was to put in the URL i knew in my head from installing them, but it's completely different and missing all the links to the info and options of their ECU's

here's what i got from memory
Autronic - Fuel Injection Systems, ECU

 

[GVR4592]

That's a new site, I didn't see it a few days ago. Their other site, TF Electronics, was removed by Ray Hall. He's no longer their distributor, which means they have no tech support, and no international distributor. It should be very interesting to see how they restructure after losing Ray. It sucks to see such a great product go to shit because the company has no concept of customer service.

The site was wwwDOTAutronicDOTcom, but the forum software changes the name

 

[turboglenn]

Hmm.. i should move in on the distributor action adn make some loot I know a good bit about them and have enough electronic test bed equipment to figure out the config for about any motor

But with my new job i wouldn't even have time unless it was paying off enough to quit a job with a great set of benefits and retirement. But what a dreeam, selling ECU's and racing for a living to promote, doing a fe installs and some tech support via phone and email... that would be a great gig!

 

[GVR4592]

It would be great gig, it would also be great having a dealer in the DSM community. They arguably make the best engine management systems available.

 

[turboglenn]

Yea, they have a good system, I don't know if I'd call it the best. I think the motec is probably the most accurate "commercial system" around or at least it was a few years ago from what i knew about resolution and features. I've always like the autronics though, but I'm a haltech guy been running them so long i almost wouldn't want to change up. I'd have to think completely different setting when I'm driving and feel a cell or adjustment that could use some fine tuning.

I just wonder what made Ray bail on them..bad blood I'm thinking??

sorry to get off topic...taking it to PM's

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

To the OP, the HKS FCON is a very effective engine management setup. There's a reason a majority of the tuners in Japan use the FCON. In all honesty, if I didn't get such a good deal on my AEM I would have went FCON. It has a very high number of adjustment points and because of this I've seen cars with 6-800whp behave like stock cars at idle and cruising. That also requires more tuning time than a standard AEM. There is a big drawback on this setup, as you can not tune it without being an authorized HKS Pro Dealer. The only way to access the ecu is a special key that the only the dealers receive. Luckily for me, not only is my tuner AEM certified, but also HKS certified. Check out Full Function: Home and shoot them an email if you have detailed questions.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

Yeah from what i have read, the HKS F-Con V-Pro is an amazing system. instead of a
16x16 bar graph when the fuel curve comes to the screen, it has a 32x32 bar graph to FINE tune all aspects. The unit can drive 8 injectors, which will be nice with my setup. the only thing i wish i could find is something that pertains to DSMs. i know they sell this unit for (D27) or 1G, but i've only been able to find one site that sells this. as mentioned by numerous others, i'll have to have it tuned by a licensed HKS dealer. Lucky for me, i live about 20 or 25 minutes away from an HKS dealer. does anyone have any info or anything about this HKS unit?

 

[GVR4592]

There's really no reason to have 32x32, an engine can only have so many VE breakpoints. 16x16 is usually overkill. You'll find that you're putting the same numbers in a lot of surrounding cell's, and it's not really worth having all of the adjustment.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i'm not argueing with you wiseman, but i've heard that there are numerous cars that run close to stock cars with this unit, and i just got a PM from another member saying that i would not be dissapointed at all if i order this. i would thing the more tuning available, the more power you could extract out of the engine. if not only has a 32x32 bar graph, but it also has most of the other aspects of other stand alones, such as 8 injector driver, etc. i used to be able to recite what it's cappabilities were but i lost the magazine, and i can't find anything as in detail as that article.

 

[turboglenn]

There's really no reason to have 32x32, an engine can only have so many VE breakpoints. 16x16 is usually overkill. You'll find that you're putting the same numbers in a lot of surrounding cell's, and it's not really worth having all of the adjustment.

I agree, i have 32 x 16 graphable mapping and can have up to 32x32 depending on the amount of RPM you are running (that's 512 load points in both fueling and ignition at 8k rpm) not to mention the correction factor maps for coolant temp, air temp, barometric changes (a.k.a altitude) and much more.. It takes a lot of knowledge and patience but the fine tune you can get from it is amazing. NAd honestly for 80% of people needing stand alone EMS, that much resolution is overkill.

But honestly, i've never had any problems with needing any more than a 16x16 that's available in say AEM, ACCEL, Link (not dsmlink) and other systems

Honestly i'd never own ANYTHING that i couldn't touch, tune or change without taking it to an authorized dealer and getting raped on price not to mention not being able to learn and develope your own tune. You're stuck with what the "authorized person" wants to give you.

It may be nice, but unless you can access it yourself to tun, i'd say stay away unless that's what you're after.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i understand what you guys are saying that it is over kill, but for some people it may be a blessing. i also understand not being able to tune at will, but i've never tuned. i've built motors before, and numerous other things. i'm not sure i want to just jump into the tuning asspect. it would really be heart breaking to build like i said a $10,000 motor, and have a crappy tune that could blow the motor 20 miles down the road. i don't want to be responsable for that. i would love to learn how to tune, but not right off the bat. i'm sure i can get my hands on a copy of the software that is used to tune this unit, it will take time and money to get a hold of the disc, but flashing a little cash in someones face can change their mind really quick. everyone knows how that goes.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

i understand what you guys are saying that it is over kill, but for some people it may be a blessing. i also understand not being able to tune at will, but i've never tuned. i've built motors before, and numerous other things. i'm not sure i want to just jump into the tuning asspect. it would really be heart breaking to build like i said a $10,000 motor, and have a crappy tune that could blow the motor 20 miles down the road. i don't want to be responsable for that. i would love to learn how to tune, but not right off the bat. i'm sure i can get my hands on a copy of the software that is used to tune this unit, it will take time and money to get a hold of the disc, but flashing a little cash in someones face can change their mind really quick. everyone knows how that goes.

I mostly agree with what you are saying, but the only thing is that the software is not what is hard to get, it is the key to unlock the software. It is a physical item you need to be able to use the software, and only 1 is given to each HKS Pro Dealer.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i had no idea about the key. like i said, i don't have any experience with tuning, and i've never seen how this HKS unit is tuned. also, i agree that maybe for the racing applications, 32x32 tuning graph maybe be over kill, but i'm not trying to just build a race machine. i would love good numbers at the track, and then be able to drive it as if it were a build street car. how does the key work for the software? i'm sure not everyone has a computer where they can put a key into it to tune the HKS unit? kinda lost as to how that works.