HKS cams

[DSM Chase]

After pulling my motor to change the timing belt, water pump, pulleys, remove ac compressor, and do a balance shaft eliminate Removed my valve cover. I bought the car used and it came with a list of mods most of which were not there, anyways the guy said that the previous owner before him stated it had cams in it. To my shock it actually does have HKS 264 exhaust and 272 intake cams also I found some more goodies such as titanium retainers, ferria valves. Anyways my question is what kind of hp gain am I getting from these cams?

 

[4G63_Attack]

The HKS 264/272 is a very good street combo camshaft. it has good middle to high rpm range. As power wise I not too sure, maybe someone might shine some light on power gains.

 

[MadDashImports]

You running any engine/fuel management?

 

[importracr317]

Gains of 35,000-700,000 hp are expects because you installed cams.

It all depends on the tune. AMS did a great cam comparison awhile back. I'm sure someone can find the link. HKS 264/272 combo produced somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-25 whp gain at higher RPM over stock cams. The 272/272 combo was a bit more, at even higher RPM.

So, the answer you want to hear is between 15-20, maybe 25 whp. You can't know for sure without....you guessed it...strapping your car to the dyno.

 

[JOLTY TacoMan]

So, the answer you want to hear is between 15-20, maybe 25 whp. You can't know for sure without....you guessed it...strapping your car to the dyno.

That still wouldn't tell him what he is making over stock cams, unless he decides to put some back in and dyno it again.

 

[T is for TURBO]

Cams dont add power, they just allow for more power.

 

[gsxeclipse97]

Cams dont add power, they just allow for more power.

Well the hole idea behind cam shafts is to allow more air and fuel into the chamber right? So allowing that to happen even on a stock tune would add more power by default. So cams do add power because it changes the V.E. of the engine.

importracr317

Also that test was preformed on a car with a 16g and it was also a 1g if I remember correctly. According to the o.p he has a 20g. he also needs to finish filling out his profile.

So there really is no accurate way to see how much power you will gain. with the limited knowledge we have anyway.. Any how this is would almost be considered bench racing more or less.

You can use dsm link to calculate power or hit the dyno.

 

[2g4me]

Cams dont add power, they just allow for more power.

Hahaha, just like saying guns dont kill people. So this means turbos and whatnot dont add power, they just allow for more power. Sorry, i couldnt help but laugh when i read that.

 

[T is for TURBO]

Hahaha, just like saying guns dont kill people. So this means turbos and whatnot dont add power, they just allow for more power. Sorry, i couldnt help but laugh when i read that.

Laugh all you want. Think a little bit and you'll understand. A turbo can PHYSICALLY create more air flow. A cam cannot. Power is created by more airflow, more fuel, and more compression. Cams do none of this. It's just an enabler. Put a cam on a t-25 powered engine, and guess what, the t-25 still flows the just as much air as it did before the cam swap.

All I was saying is that it allows the car to breath better, or worse for that matter. So it is totally setup dependant. In fact a some senarios, a cam can cause a loss of power.

 

[ed1380]

Cams let the engine ingest more air.
Injectors inject more fuel.

Larger fuel lines and IC pipes and exhaust "gain" you hp by decreasing resistance and increasing efficiency

None of those "give" you hp. They just free up the hp you lose.

 

[2g4me]

Laugh all you want. Think a little bit and you'll understand. A turbo can PHYSICALLY create more air flow. A cam cannot. Power is created by more airflow, more fuel, and more compression. Cams do none of this. It's just an enabler. Put a cam on a t-25 powered engine, and guess what, the t-25 still flows the just as much air as it did before the cam swap.

All I was saying is that it allows the car to breath better, or worse for that matter. So it is totally setup dependant. In fact a some senarios, a cam can cause a loss of power.

If cams didnt add power they wouldnt make aftermarket ones. If turbos didnt add HP, they wouldnt make bigger ones. They dont "enable" they create. Either way, its all made to do one thing which is all we care about, MAKE POWER

 

[importracr317]

importracr317

Also that test was preformed on a car with a 16g and it was also a 1g if I remember correctly. According to the o.p he has a 20g. he also needs to finish filling out his profile.

So there really is no accurate way to see how much power you will gain. with the limited knowledge we have anyway.. Any how this is would almost be considered bench racing more or less.

My point.

Laugh all you want. Think a little bit and you'll understand. A turbo can PHYSICALLY create more air flow. A cam cannot. Power is created by more airflow, more fuel, and more compression. Cams do none of this. It's just an enabler. Put a cam on a t-25 powered engine, and guess what, the t-25 still flows the just as much air as it did before the cam swap.

All I was saying is that it allows the car to breath better, or worse for that matter. So it is totally setup dependant. In fact a some senarios, a cam can cause a loss of power.

You're arguing semantics. That's like saying your car could make 1,000 hp if it weren't for the engine, turbo, drivetrain and ecu. Cams add power, period. How much or how little is based on other factors.

 

[T is for TURBO]

If cams didnt add power they wouldnt make aftermarket ones. If turbos didnt add HP, they wouldnt make bigger ones. They dont "enable" they create. Either way, its all made to do one thing which is all we care about, MAKE POWER

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[2g4me]

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm not the only one whos told you that, i think it pretty self explanitory and like ^^^ said, without the right parts, you wont make 1000hp. Sayin your car has 1000hp doesnt mean it does any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. No parts, means no power!

 

[genegoesfast]

Wow this is dumb.

 

[DSM Chase]

Good legistics guys

 

[DSM's 4 life]

I'm not the only one whos told you that, i think it pretty self explanitory and like ^^^ said, without the right parts, you wont make 1000hp. Sayin your car has 1000hp doesnt mean it does any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. No parts, means no power!

Good point but I get what he is saying a little.