Hey Kinda new, learning alot. Got a Question.

[Ident123123]

Well I really want to get a 95-99 Eclipse GSX. But like everyone I'm slightly worried about Crankwalk. I mean how safe would it be to run it with a 7 bolt engine if I get a automatic and keep it at stage 1 modifications? 350 or less hp? Check all the internal parts and make sure there all in good maintenance and replace any that need to be replaced? I just need some help deciding if I should a 7bolt or do the 6 bolt conversion? I have read a lot about all of this but I'm not completely set on my decision. I mean this will be a daily driver, hence the reason I want to get a automatic. I don't feel like dealing with the shifting all the time every day, not worth it to me.

Thanks for any input,
Nick

 

[ToughTalon]

Youll be just fine, specially with an automatic transmission. Crankwalk is MAJORLY overrated. Ask how many people have acutally been affected by crankwalk, then ask how it affected them....most people will say they have never dealt with it.

Just get the car and have fun, it wont crankwalk on you.

 

[Ident123123]

Ok and another question. How important is the type of title the car has? I mean is a salvage title really that bad? Or should I really look for a clean title?

 

[98gsxtuner]

If it were me I would look for a clean title,anything with a salvage title should be looked over and then looked over again about 5 times check everything.

 

[Ident123123]

Thank you, I will definitely keep that in mind. I will also have a friend, who knows a lot more about cars then I do(eclipse specifically) look it over with me to make sure its ok. He was telling me that normally a salvage title isn't too bad, but it means its been wrecked and rebuilt, so it could have a damaged frame or something else severe. So I will definitely be smart about it.

 

[ilco187]

yes dont buy cars with a salvage title unless its just gonna be a junker or a stricked drag race car, if its a daily driven car and has a salvage title it will be very hard to sell to another person, or trade in to a dealer.

 

[95420A]

The 6 bolt swap is usually just a piece of mind type thing. Having a 7 bolt engine doesn't mean for certain it will happen to you but personally I would go ahead and do it if I had to rebuild the block anyway. If not keep it the way it is and drive it. A salvage title doesn't neccessarily mean the car had extensive damage, it could also have been stolen and the insurance company just decided it was a total loss instead of replacing the missing parts.

 

[Ident123123]

Ya I mean if I plan to keep this car for... well ever? then a salvage title wouldn't be that bad since its not going to be sold?

And I mean once I get around to rebuilding the engine I will probably do the 6 bolt swap but I don't plan on completely rebuilding the engine till it needs it or untill I'm ready to modify the car past 350 hp.

 

[Hardin]

I don't know. Personally, I would just do a 6 bolt swap just to be on the safe side. 6 Bolts are just solid.

-Hardin

 

[Mr PopUps]

Youll be just fine, specially with an automatic transmission. Crankwalk is MAJORLY overrated. Ask how many people have acutally been affected by crankwalk, then ask how it affected them....most people will say they have never dealt with it.

Just get the car and have fun, it wont crankwalk on you.

Nice guarantee. Can i go to the bank on that one?

Ya I mean if I plan to keep this car for... well ever? then a salvage title wouldn't be that bad since its not going to be sold?

And I mean once I get around to rebuilding the engine I will probably do the 6 bolt swap but I don't plan on completely rebuilding the engine till it needs it or untill I'm ready to modify the car past 350 hp.

A salvage title could mean one of many things. Usually its been wrecked and the cost to repair was too much, so it was totaled by the Ins Co. This doesnt mean the car is undriveable, but it means to the state that you have to spend so much money, and make ALL of the repairs and have receipts or a shop do the work to prove to them that the car is road worthy again. Then and only then can you get a clean title.

As far as the upgrades go, i would suggest going 6 bolt bottom at least. Crankwalk is too unpredictable and i would rather not take my chances if i had the money. However, on an Auto car, its less likely to happen because there is no extra pressure on the thrust bearing, like a clutch, to help it wear out faster. If you go 6 bolt, 350 is not a magic number that needs fully built parts if you arent stupid about cutting corners or trashing it on the street. The stock bottom end is good for well over 500 reliable HP (at least the 6 bolts). Just ask Buschur. I had 282 to the wheels with no problem.

What ever you do, just be safe, dont cut corners, if you dont have the money to do it right, then youll waste more in the long run fixing what you should have done in the first place.

Also, if you cant afford a 6 bolt, at least a 1G 7 bolt would be better, and then you can use some things from your 2G motor (well almost everything could be reused) like pistons, crank and etc if they are in good condition.

 

[donniekak]

Crankwalk is not "overrated" I live in a major metro area and all the machine shops and mitsu dealers have told me that almost every 2g eclipse turbo engine they have seen(1,000's) have had a worn thrust surface. Now, that doesn't mean it was bad enough to make the engine stop running because the crank had not yet destroyed the crank sensor, but enough that it shows a common pattern. Everyone that smokes does not die of cancer, but if nothing else kills them first, they will. I myself have been in quite a few 7-bolt 4g63's and the mjority of them had visible wear on the thrust bearing. Not all of them were really bad, but given enough time they would have failed. Even the 6-bolt engines walk sometimes, not as bad or frequently as the 7-bolt. The big difference is the 6-bolt timing sensor is on the cam, so it doesn't get destroyed by the reluctor wheel when the crank moves.

 

[Ident123123]

Thanks for the information. I won't be cutting corners, the reason I don't want to do a 6 bolt conversion is I don't want to do unnecessary work if the stock engine will be fine untill I plan on going to a more powerful level. I knew the 6bolt stock engines can handle more power then the 7bolt stock engines but I have read and heard alot the the 7bolt shouldn't be taken past 350hp while the 6bolt can be taken to 450+.

You can get a clean title again once a car has gotten a salvage title? How would you go about figuring out what needs to actually be repaired for you to get one? Does the repairs have to be done by a repair shop or can it just be checked or something?

 

[Mr PopUps]

Thanks for the information. I won't be cutting corners, the reason I don't want to do a 6 bolt conversion is I don't want to do unnecessary work if the stock engine will be fine untill I plan on going to a more powerful level. I knew the 6bolt stock engines can handle more power then the 7bolt stock engines but I have read and heard alot the the 7bolt shouldn't be taken past 350hp while the 6bolt can be taken to 450+.

You can get a clean title again once a car has gotten a salvage title? How would you go about figuring out what needs to actually be repaired for you to get one? Does the repairs have to be done by a repair shop or can it just be checked or something?

My old friend Ryan Gast was pushing well over 400 on his 99 Spyder GS-T. His tranny gave out before the motor did so he just swapped in a 6 bolt to go higher. I dont know where the magic numbers of 350 and 450 came from, but its bosh IMHO. Besides, why do you NEED 350 horses? Save for the drag strip, where can you use them? Is it a bragging number? Dont brag about your car, let the car speak for itself if you race anyone.

You need to contact your state to find out what is required for, or IF you can even get a clean title after. They should have the documentation that should show WHY the car has a salvage title. Im only stating what i know about KY and salvage titles.

 

[Bud92gsx]

If your looking at getting the automatic 95-99 gsx you should be fine.."crankwalk" is more prominent in the 5spd cars.....Like said before, the 6 bolt swap is just peace of mind when coming to the crankwalk issue..7 bolts tend to "walk" more, and with the 6 bolt it's almost unheard of really..But it CAN happen...

There are some people in Wyoming that might be able to help you...Do a search for people in Casper, Laramie, Gillettee... I know a couple of these guys and I'm sure they will assist you on your Eclipse/ talon purchase...

Turboboy, lives in Laramie used to have a 98gsx auto for sale, idk if he still has it in storage or not..
cruisintalonawd, Lives in Casper, hit him up
skyrone, lives in Gillette

 

[Ident123123]

Thank you for the information bud ^_^ I will definitely look some people up in my area. I tend to be a very like set in my way plan things out WAY in advance kind of person so we will see how this turns out. ^_^

 

[Denji]

Peace of mind? The only headache you could have from crankwalk is a new engine. Thats what your looking at doing now, so why not hold it off and do it only if you have a problem.

Personally, I've only seen 1 car with crankwalk and I"ve been around a lot of DSMs for several years. My car has 173,000 miles on stock motor and I run around 20psi every day with an upgraded clutch. If I get a problem I'll replace it but don't fix it if its not broken, it could be a waste of cash.

 

[Ident123123]

Thats exactly how I feel. I mean Sooner or later I will probably replace it but not untill it is needed.