Have you or someone you know tried these TIRES?

[krummel45]

I found these on tire rack and the price is really really cheap for 19" rims. I now have front wheel drive (update is needed on my profile) is traction is a big needed for me, but money is also a big need. (A poor dsmer thats a first) any way I did not know what you guys thought. There have been over 700,020 miles tested on these tires. The traction is 8.8 along if you would buy again. and for $111 a tire this sounds almost to good to be true.

Like I said traction is a must I have a stroker 400 whp car so I need to hook the F*ck up. Do you have any sugestions? I need great grip at a low price I know the best of both worlds.

By the way I love howq my rims look so I dont want to down size.

Hers the link.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0

Thanks

 

[skinnykenny84]

looks like they offer great treadlife for what they are. Thats good in your case sense their 19s and like you said your not rich. Also seems like you wouldnt spin AS EASY with that big of a wheel on her. good dry and wet traction, go for it!

 

[krummel45]

When I bought the car it had toyo proxies F1 which are still on the car right now. Does any one know what the traction rating was from 1-10 on a dry surface this will help me to decide if they will help alot or not, when considering this tire has a rating of 8.8 out of 10 on tirerack.

I tried to find it but I had no luck.

Thanks

 

[seefour]

I'm looking at the same tires, however, I can almost guarantee they wont have the grip as your Toyo's.

 

[krummel45]

I do know that the tires that i have on there now have a traction rating of "A" and the tires i am looking at have a "AA" rating which is way better.

 

[skinnykenny84]

IMO, your only gonna get so much traction out of an all season radial tire. Of course some are gonna grip a lil better than others but not like drag radials. I would go with the most treadlife/traction I could find for my money, esp if I was running a 19" tire.

 

[jtmcinder]

This entire conversation is rather silly. The thread-starter wants launching traction and his tentative solution is a set of 19s? Com'on.

To launch, you want a very soft sidewall. You, therefore, want as much sidewall as fits over your brakes. The last thing you want is a set of 19s. (No, wait. I take that back. Or, else, someone will suggest 20s.) Let's cut to the chase: you want 16s.

Of course, if what's really going on here is you want the look of 19s and still be able to launch, then you need to go back to Square One. Those are incompatible.

- Jtoby

 

[krummel45]

Wow jtoby your input got me no where. you dont think after owning a dsm for over 3 years I would know the smaller the rim the better the traction commom Im not a nube so give me some credit. The solution to my problem is being looked at through the possible options that will fit my rim size. Meaning the best possible tire that will hook up with 19" rims.

 

[jtmcinder]

If you are still thinking of buying new 19" tires, instead of selling the 19" rims and starting over, then, I agree that my post got you nowhere. Sorry to waste your time.

There is no such thing as a 19" tire for a DSM that will allow you to put down 400 FWD hp. If you refuse to rethink your plan, then lobby your local politicians to lay down VHT at all intersections. (Oops. There I go again.)

- Jtoby

 

[boostedinaz]

So you are trying to find a tire that is 19" in size, is as cheap as possible, and gives the best traction??

Well good luck as you have 400 WHP nothing fits that bill. If you want an answer to your question sure those tires will WORK. Will they do what you want them to do? Nope. Nothing given your parameters will, but seeing as price is the main concern then youi have answered your own question. Those are 19" and are cheap seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[krummel45]

Geting back to my origanal question have you are any one you know tired this brand and modle of tire if so how did it perform?


thanks

 

[99gst_racer]

Geting back to my origanal question have you are any one you know tired this brand and modle of tire if so how did it perform?


thanks

While I agree with Jtoby, 19" rims on a DSM are never beneficial to the performance aspects of your car.

But, I will answer your question. Project_tsi just purchased these tires for his 17" rims. He has a 2.3L stroker and is also FWD, so your platforms do have something in common. I'll shoot him a message and have him chime in on this thread.

 

[igs]

Wow jtoby your input got me no where. you dont think after owning a dsm for over 3 years I would know the smaller the rim the better the traction commom Im not a nube so give me some credit. The solution to my problem is being looked at through the possible options that will fit my rim size. Meaning the best possible tire that will hook up with 19" rims.

Don't listen to him. 400 whp is more than enough to spin 19". High end sports cars come with 19" all around.

As for traction sidewall has nothing to do with it. Shorter sidewall simply has shorter limit threshold, giving the impression of less traction. Two tires with the same width/compound/tread will have the same absolute limit.

 

[project_tsi]

Yup guys, I bought these tires. 235/45/17 General Exclaim UHP's. They have ups and downs. They have pretty good dry/wet traction, especially for the price. And if the treadwear stands up to what they are rated at, then thats an even larger plus.

On the down side, something's not right with them. Ever since the day I got these on the car seem to just "float" around while driving over 70mph. I had on some super cheap Ohtsu's before and the car never felt as unstable as it does down. I don't know if its way too soft of a sidewall or the tread itself floating upon itself, but its kinda scary to drive with them then they float and throw you all around.

They do have decent launching capabilities for a stroker fwd though.

 

[jtmcinder]

As for traction sidewall has nothing to do with it.

Enjoy the new color of your chicklet.

- Jtoby

 

[jtmcinder]

On the down side, something's not right with them. Ever since the day I got these on the car seem to just "float" around while driving over 70mph.

Look at the size of the tread-blocks and the siping. Way too small and too much, respectively, for a high-speed, high-performance tire. What you're experiencing is called "tread squirm."

For a contrast, find a picture of the old Azenis Sports.

- Jtoby

 

[project_tsi]

Ok I see what your saying. Take a look at my old tires for comparison. Even these have larger tread blocks and less of them, not to mention the 2 full tread striped in the middle.

Tread squirm hmmm. So maybe as these tires wear down and have less tread the less "squirm" they will have? Maybe when they are about bald they will be decent then?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=67846&catid=member&imageuser=37955

 

[jtmcinder]

Tread squirm hmmm. So maybe as these tires wear down and have less tread the less "squirm" they will have?

Sort of. As the tire wears away, the squirm is reduced, but all those heat cycles also means you now have four rocks instead of tires. That's why serious autocrossers have their brand-new tires shaved before they even put them on the car. The tire to have in ST* last year was a shaved Falken 615.

- Jtoby

 

[boostedinaz]

Don't listen to him.

Yeah it is not like he knows what he is doing.

400 whp is more than enough to spin 19". High end sports cars come with 19" all around.

That what we have been saying. No matter what tire he puts on he will have traction problems with a 19" tire. As far as high end cars having them that has no relevance to anything.

As for traction sidewall has nothing to do with it. Shorter sidewall simply has shorter limit threshold, giving the impression of less traction. Two tires with the same width/compound/tread will have the same absolute limit.

. So what you are saying is that if I took two drag radials with the same overall width, one on a 15 inch wheel and the other on a 19 inch wheel, the car would 60ft the same and run the same times?

 

[jtmcinder]

As I pointed out privately to igs, high-end sports cars come with 19s because of their brakes. If you go back up and check the earlier posts: for launching you want the smallest wheel that will fit over your brakes. Some people even go so far as to down-grade from "big" 2G AWD brakes to FWD brakes in order to run 15" wheels.

Not only will the 19s provide less longitudinal grip than the same width tire on a smaller wheel, but it will also exacerbate other issues, such as stress on the drive-line, chirps on every shift, and wheel-hop, because the sidewall will not be helping to absorb shocks.

- Jtoby

 

[igs]

. So what you are saying is that if I took two drag radials with the same overall width, one on a 15 inch wheel and the other on a 19 inch wheel, the car would 60ft the same and run the same times?

No, because you're taking into account more than just amount of grip. Re-read what I wrote.

 

[igs]

Not only will the 19s provide less longitudinal grip than the same width tire on a smaller wheel, but it will also exacerbate other issues, such as stress on the drive-line, chirps on every shift, and wheel-hop, because the sidewall will not be helping to absorb shocks.

- Jtoby

Your points are correct except for less longitudinal grip, which was what I was referring to earlier. In fact the larger wheel will likely give a wider footprint increasing grip.

 

[wret]

Your points are correct except for less longitudinal grip, which was what I was referring to earlier. In fact the larger wheel will likely give a wider footprint increasing grip.

Wrong again. The discussion envolves tires that fit (reasonably) on a 2g DSM, all of which would be within about 5% range of radius, hardly enough to effect handling characteristics by itself.

To prevent digging yourself a rep point hole you may never get out of, research a little before responding.

 

[DGajre777]

I don't know a lot about wheels and tires, so pardon me if this sounds like a stupid question. Same car, one run with 17s, and one run with 18s. I know that the run with 17s will have a faster 60ft and 1/4 mile time. But why?, I thought tires weigh more than wheels?! So shouldn't the 18s have a faster time, since it has less tire wall and less tire weight (in theory)?

I bought these - 17x7s, 43 offset, 21lbs each. http://www.discounttire.com/product/wheels/spcds1.mtb.ang.jpg Now I'm thinking, maybe these are too heavy. I'll be going with 225/45s and Eibach Pro/Tokico Illuminas when I have some more funds.

 

[skinnykenny84]

I don't know a lot about wheels and tires, so pardon me if this sounds like a stupid question.

Same car, one run with 17s, and one run with 18s. The run with 17s will have a faster 60ft and 1/4 mile time. But, I thought tires weigh more than wheels?! So shouldn't the 18s have a faster time, since it has less weight? less tire weight (in theory)?

Its impossible to say that tires weigh more than wheels. There is too many wheel tire combos (variables) in that statement. More wheels are gonna be heavier than their tires.

Now the over all diameter of the wheel and tire will effect low end (1/8th for example) and top end. Of course the smaller the diameter the quicker the car will be and the taller the diameter the faster the car will be up top. Its just like changing the gearing. It does come a point in time where the wheel and tire is just too big for the application and will kill performance. A good example is a guy I know with a WRX that went from stock 16s I believe to 20" wheels and lost 4-5 tenths in the 1/8th.