Get a Celica Or Get a GSX

[Ktreece777]

Tell me DSM people I want a good car and I want a quick car.... around here the quickest car would run about a 13... I have narrowed my choices down to either a 98 or 99 GSX or a 00-02 Celica GTS tell me... is all this stuff about DSMS breakin over rated and should I stay with a 99 because I heard they were better than the others about Crankwalk and all that... also how much have yall spent in repairs on your cars


Cliff Notes: Get a GSX or a Celica GTS

 

[Eliminat0r]

if your worried about crankwalk put a 6 block in or get a 1g dsm turbo like from 89-91 in 92 they switched to 7 blocks.

 

[GaRn]

Originally posted by dsmnate


That's not exactly true..... I mean I love my DSM and all and I would suggest for him to get a GSX but the Celica isn't that slow of a car. They only weigh 2500 lbs. and with just PHR CAI, HKS Exhaust LarryD ran a 14.422 @ 99.16 mph in his old Celica. So there really aren't that slow of a car and they also have a turbo kit out now that gives it like 260 whp.

im glad to hear theres other DSM'ers who are biased/ignorant as f*ck..

 

[heavyD]

Originally posted by dsmnate


That's not exactly true..... I mean I love my DSM and all and I would suggest for him to get a GSX but the Celica isn't that slow of a car. They only weigh 2500 lbs. and with just PHR CAI, HKS Exhaust LarryD ran a 14.422 @ 99.16 mph in his old Celica. So there really aren't that slow of a car and they also have a turbo kit out now that gives it like 260 whp.

I have driven two latest generation Celica GTS's and can confirm that they indeed are not that fast. There is no bottom end power whatsoever. In fact I think my brother's stock Integra GSR is a quicker car.

I'm not being ignorant as I have driven everything from 2nd gen Celica All trac turbos to SR20DET shod 240SX's and the Celica is not very impressive performance wise. However it does handle better than DSM's and makes me dream about the possibilities of a new Celica All Trac Turbo.

 

[GaRn]

its actually got around the same 1/4 mile as the gsr, both of which have NO bottom end, the same goes for any NA 4 cyl..

oh well.. the car market is goin to shit.. now im hearin the new supra is goin NA, the rx7 is now NA(hopefully come out with turbo version!), 350z is NA with very little response to mods, and the new skyline migth even be NA!!!!

good thing we have the EVO and WRX/STI...

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

i wasnt being ignorant either.. i use to have that car..

ok so ill try be non-biased about it.. though i was expressing my true feelings about it the first time i replied..

the celica gts is a good car STOCK.. there is only so much u can do to it though.. its been 3 years. aftermarket is tehre.. but there if u want to look even faster than it already looks.. meaning you got tons of options for body kits.. and show stuff.. as for performance good luck.. the most you can do (as far as practical and affordable) are bolt ons which can make ur low 15-high14 gts to a mid 14-high14 gts (assuming u got a 6 speed GTS and not an auto.. or a GT).. and if u have a freak and a good driver low 14s..

there are turbo kits available for the car.. but it cost 6k.. which will put u at roughly 250hp.. and to this date it doesnt seem like none of the people who have them on their car have been able to break mid 13s.. let alone 13s.. someone correct me if im wrong..

this is a toyota.. so its known for reliability and build quality.. wen i had mine. i was very pleased with the quality and build of the car.. then again its a NEWER car.. so u expect these things.. the interior is very nice.. and more designed with thought of today's day and age style.. but the 2g interior isnt that far back.. esp if u get a 99 all black leather interior.. which i think imo is more superior to the celica one

the car is fun to drive.. great gas mileage.. handles a lot better than both of the 2gs i have.. lack of torque though. .and once u get used to dsm power.. u'll say lack of power as well.. if you have money.. a lot of it.. you can do anything with it. there are internals, and other goodies u have to import from japan.. that can make the celica a real threat on the streets..

but mod for mod.. dolla for dolla.. the gsx will always come out on top.. as far as performance.. even get crankwalk.. replace it with a built 6 bolt.. and it wont cost as much as the turbo kit for a gts..

so my advice.. if u dont plan on modding the car or going really really 12 sec fast or faster.. and dont want any problems.. then go for the celica..

but if ur intentions are to smoke anything and everything from a stop.. and have ur self a 12 sec or faster street car that also looks good.. and all u care about is hp and numbers.. and dreams of smoking v8s and not just integras and hondas.. and be teh underdog that can come out on top..

get the GSX.. 4 sho

 

[dsmnate]

Originally posted by RedTurboEclipse
i wasnt being ignorant either.. i use to have that car..

ok so ill try be non-biased about it.. though i was expressing my true feelings about it the first time i replied..

the celica gts is a good car STOCK.. there is only so much u can do to it though.. its been 3 years. aftermarket is tehre.. but there if u want to look even faster than it already looks.. meaning you got tons of options for body kits.. and show stuff.. as for performance good luck.. the most you can do (as far as practical and affordable) are bolt ons which can make ur low 15-high14 gts to a mid 14-high14 gts (assuming u got a 6 speed GTS and not an auto.. or a GT).. and if u have a freak and a good driver low 14s..

there are turbo kits available for the car.. but it cost 6k.. which will put u at roughly 250hp.. and to this date it doesnt seem like none of the people who have them on their car have been able to break mid 13s.. let alone 13s.. someone correct me if im wrong..

this is a toyota.. so its known for reliability and build quality.. wen i had mine. i was very pleased with the quality and build of the car.. then again its a NEWER car.. so u expect these things.. the interior is very nice.. and more designed with thought of today's day and age style.. but the 2g interior isnt that far back.. esp if u get a 99 all black leather interior.. which i think imo is more superior to the celica one

the car is fun to drive.. great gas mileage.. handles a lot better than both of the 2gs i have.. lack of torque though. .and once u get used to dsm power.. u'll say lack of power as well.. if you have money.. a lot of it.. you can do anything with it. there are internals, and other goodies u have to import from japan.. that can make the celica a real threat on the streets..

but mod for mod.. dolla for dolla.. the gsx will always come out on top.. as far as performance.. even get crankwalk.. replace it with a built 6 bolt.. and it wont cost as much as the turbo kit for a gts..

so my advice.. if u dont plan on modding the car or going really really 12 sec fast or faster.. and dont want any problems.. then go for the celica..

but if ur intentions are to smoke anything and everything from a stop.. and have ur self a 12 sec or faster street car that also looks good.. and all u care about is hp and numbers.. and dreams of smoking v8s and not just integras and hondas.. and be teh underdog that can come out on top..

get the GSX.. 4 sho

Agreed.. there isn't a whole lot of performance options to allow you to get into the 13's for a Celica. I have been looking around at stuff because my girlfriend just bought a 2000 Celica GTS back in August. The XS Turbo kit is priced $4,500 but I have seen it selling for cheaper, however you have to figure installation and tuning with that unless you can do it yourself. There is a guy with that kit on newcelica.org that dyno'ed 267 WHP but I'm not sure about any 1/4 mile times. However with that kinda power to weight ratio it should easily be in the 13's and if wheel spin is a problem they do have a LSD for the Celica's.

In the end though I think I would still buy the GSX over the Celica. My girlfriend was trying to make the same decision when looking for a car but we found a good deal on this Celica and it gives me a new toy to play with and explore

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I can understand your wanting both of these nice looking cars cause if the celica was in the same level as the GSX i would seriously consider a Celica. But as of now i would easily go GSX.

 

[LMBLF8]

Turbo and AWD or FWD slow....have had both, GSX no brain involved

 

[talon7684]

Also, a '99 eclipse GSX has 214 ft/lbs of torque @ 3500 RPM, a celica GTS has 133 ft/lbs @ 6800 RPM. I think the non-turbo DSMs have more torque than that. Edmunds.com says a celica takes 7.3 seconds to 60, a GSX should be around 6ish. I think performance wise, the Eclipse wins hands down. I've ridden in a Celica GTS, and they really don't feel very fast. As for Reliability, I have a '96 TSi, with 70k miles, and no problems yet besides the standard maintainance. If you maintain your car well, it will treat you right. I have a friend with a '90 TSi with 140k on it, same story. I have FWD, and I would kill for AWD. I'd go with the GSX hands down.

 

[GaRn]

yes, i would go with the GSX to.. OBVIOUSLY.

my point is jsut because one prefers the gsx better doesnt mean the gts is a piece.. and i found the gts does 60 in 6.6

edmunds either gets their numbers from people who cant drive, or they cant drive worth shit.. anyways magazine numbers and the real world are two different things..

 

[GSX0TIC]

I honestly think the 97-99 GST/GSX styling is 10x better than the Celica styling. Not to mention a gst/gsx are much faster than a celica gts...and i also beat my friends rsx type s pretty easily and am dead even with my friends 01 mustang gt and i have very few mods..

 

[onelowtalon]

defiant said it best. if you like toyota find yourself an all-trac. im not sure but i believe that they were only made in 91. it will be alot cheaper than a gsx and also quite a bit faster.

 

[heavyD]

Originally posted by onelowtalon
defiant said it best. if you like toyota find yourself an all-trac. im not sure but i believe that they were only made in 91. it will be alot cheaper than a gsx and also quite a bit faster.

Actually there were two generations of the Celica All-trac turbo and they ran fom 1988 through 1993.

 

[larryd]

There are way to many biased people with misinformation in this thread.

2000 Celica GTS with i/e
14.422 @ 99.16

1998 Eclipse GST with intake, piping, bov, full exhaust, and 18psi on the T25
14.380 @ 99.75

Now dont expect everyone and their brother to run the same times but Im just giving you an idea of what pretty good driving and a few mods with either of the FWD models would get you.

I don't even know what I'd rather have out of the two cars now because the two cars both offer alot of things I like. The celica is awesome to drive because its soo light weight and its just a blast to drive where as the GST/GSX were both incredible fast and you cant go wrong with turbo. Personally I think my next car will be AWD turbo because of dealing with the weather year round up here but the choice is yours..

Simple as this, get what you want and dont ask everyone else for their advice as its obviously not their choice.

 

[vertGST]

well my wife has an o3 celicangt and its a nice car. just like larryd said its fun to drive. it's not a gt-s or anything but still nice. i have my gs-t which i wouldn't trade in the world for a celica. i personally like the gs-t better. the only thing about the celica is that it handles a bit better then my car.

 

[sidoze]

car versus the car that the forum your on is about.

of course im gonna tell you to get a GSX, if you want to be abusive and forget oil changes get the celica. my sister's celica is 10x more reliable than my GS-T and she rapes it more than I've ever raped my car.

last time I forgot an oil change I also noticed my t-25 was dead.

just something to think about.

if I had the cash id probably build a replica of the APR/blitz celica but in that really nice blue toyota has.

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by RedTurboEclipse
i wasnt being ignorant either.. i use to have that car..

ok so ill try be non-biased about it.. though i was expressing my true feelings about it the first time i replied..

the celica gts is a good car STOCK.. there is only so much u can do to it though.. its been 3 years. aftermarket is tehre.. but there if u want to look even faster than it already looks.. meaning you got tons of options for body kits.. and show stuff.. as for performance good luck.. the most you can do (as far as practical and affordable) are bolt ons which can make ur low 15-high14 gts to a mid 14-high14 gts (assuming u got a 6 speed GTS and not an auto.. or a GT).. and if u have a freak and a good driver low 14s..

there are turbo kits available for the car.. but it cost 6k.. which will put u at roughly 250hp.. and to this date it doesnt seem like none of the people who have them on their car have been able to break mid 13s.. let alone 13s.. someone correct me if im wrong..

this is a toyota.. so its known for reliability and build quality.. wen i had mine. i was very pleased with the quality and build of the car.. then again its a NEWER car.. so u expect these things.. the interior is very nice.. and more designed with thought of today's day and age style.. but the 2g interior isnt that far back.. esp if u get a 99 all black leather interior.. which i think imo is more superior to the celica one

the car is fun to drive.. great gas mileage.. handles a lot better than both of the 2gs i have.. lack of torque though. .and once u get used to dsm power.. u'll say lack of power as well.. if you have money.. a lot of it.. you can do anything with it. there are internals, and other goodies u have to import from japan.. that can make the celica a real threat on the streets..

but mod for mod.. dolla for dolla.. the gsx will always come out on top.. as far as performance.. even get crankwalk.. replace it with a built 6 bolt.. and it wont cost as much as the turbo kit for a gts..

so my advice.. if u dont plan on modding the car or going really really 12 sec fast or faster.. and dont want any problems.. then go for the celica..

but if ur intentions are to smoke anything and everything from a stop.. and have ur self a 12 sec or faster street car that also looks good.. and all u care about is hp and numbers.. and dreams of smoking v8s and not just integras and hondas.. and be teh underdog that can come out on top..

get the GSX.. 4 sho

couldent of said it better myself

 

[boosted4g63tdsm]

hey get a celica jsut don't be mad when you run a 17 sec 1/4 mile and someone smokes your a$$ in there dsm!!