FWD reality

[Slowboy]

Just use these and an LSD.....

I got tired of breaking AWD parts..... Just wanted to try something new before we build a real drag car.

My FWD will be my street driver and should go 130 plus MPH. ( same engine the AWD went 126.58 no nitrous )

Just a better turbo and less weight

Mike Huml
aka...slowboy

 

[GST4U2NV]

you don't have to tell me about wheel spin if i want 3rd gear is a easy light em up gear, but fwd takes good driving tech. and is more difficult. I chose fwd, because everyone told me not to, and for the challange. Do I want awd yes, in fact thats why i am buying a 1g awd. All it takes is practice, i have no probs getting 2.0's with street tires, which is not good but not bad either, You just have to learn how to control throttle.

 

[SuspectLaser]

Originally posted by Quacylla
It's a much better feeling to run down and speed by your opponent at the track then it is to get a great launch and try to get to the end before the guy beside you catches up.

Then there's the highway too [/QUO



Preach on buddy......thats exactly what i was thinking when i started to consider having a big turbo FWD car.........i must admit that it would feel kind of cheesy to have to look in the rear view all thru out the race just to see if the guy is coming up and about to blow by me like nobody's business........i really prefer the highway races anyway.......they are easier on the drivetrain parts,.....and its just alot more fun to go through the gears at the high speeds.........i think i can do without having to convert to FWD for a day (if i was AWD) just to find a dyno around here......
:laugh: ....Eric

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by rdrkt
Personally I would never build up a fwd DSM. If I wanted a crazy highway car or a from a roll racer I would buy the first Colt shell that I could get my hands on because at least they are 400-500lbs lighter. My favorite example is a guy that built an old Mirage and ran a 13.3@115 while “only” making 270hp with a small 16g on pump gas all because the car only weighs 2400lbs. Apparently there is such a thing as power to weight ratio. Who knew

What? Come on man, RU saying that it isn't possible to do that in an eclipse. I can tell you for a fact that it is "easily" possible! 276 on the dyno, netted a 12.7 at 112.

The biggest problem I see here with most of ya'lls comments, of how bad front wheel drive, is that maybe you just can't drive as good as you thought! It takes a bit more skill to drive a FWD then a Awd, obviously.
If you don't have the time or patience to learn it them get an awd.
It's really as simple as that.

If your looking for 1.3's with your fwd then I think you need to goto a track for the first time and really find out what it's like.

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by KenTSIII
It's not that bad.. you just have to learn how to drive it. Also really sticky tires help alot.. but you'll be replacing them quite often. Our shop has a 528hp 93 honda hatch that runs 11.89 @ 126 on BFG drag radials & pump gas. It is his daily driven street car (put 5000+ miles on it this summer). Keep in mind that he has to replace the drag radials every couple of months.

that was your guy's work?? congrats. saw some pics of it up at muncie dragway. unfortunately my car has multiple leaks and missed that day.


as for the fwd thing. throw in a phantom grip and learn to modulate the throttle and clutch and it'll be fine. trust me i've driven hairier cars on dry than mine in the rain.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ILOSE
What? Come on man, RU saying that it isn't possible to do that in an eclipse. I can tell you for a fact that it is "easily" possible! 276 on the dyno, netted a 12.7 at 112.

No I’m sure its possible but I think that would be in a VERY light DSM. I myself put down 260 to the wheels on pump gas on my small 16g in my 94 fwd and I was NOWHERE near 112 I was closer to 106-107. But that was in a full weight car with a stereo.

All I’m saying is that its easier to do it in a car that is much lighter to begin with as opposed to needing to remove 200-300lbs.

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by rdrkt

No I’m sure its possible but I think that would be in a VERY light DSM. I myself put down 260 to the wheels on pump gas on my small 16g in my 94 fwd and I was NOWHERE near 112 I was closer to 106-107. But that was in a full weight car with a stereo.

All I’m saying is that its easier to do it in a car that is much lighter to begin with as opposed to needing to remove 200-300lbs.

and that's where the beauty of the nt tranny kicks in. 14.02 @ 105 all on a 16psi 14b. can't wait to see what this 16g will do.

 

[iroibeirt]

another way to help get some traction other than rims and wider tires, is getting a very high quality suspension kit (TEIN), they may be about 5-600 dollars more than a coilover/shocks kit but, it will actually help gain traction at the front wheels

 

[ChrisHKS]

dont mean to bear off from the subject, but which companies make a gear specific boost control? i know apexi does, any others? greddy??

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ChrisHKS
dont mean to bear off from the subject

Then dont! Please start a new thread.

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by rdrkt
I got a ride in LarryD’s car while it was being tuned and even though it was only making modest power its still spun all of first, second and got a little flighty in third I can only imagine what it would be like to have another 100-150hp. Personally I would rather be making forward progress instead of having to modulate the gas and torque steer and spin all over the road but that’s just me.

makes me wonder if something is wrong or if my LSD is really working now becuase I dont spin tires through 2nd anymore.. 1st is pretty useless but 2nd gear goes pretty good..

 

[mavisky]

what kind of limited slip do you have larry?

 

[GSTspeedracer]

I must say I second that!!! about the suspension helping in traction.....
I would spinnn entirely threw 1, 2 and into third....with 235 tires..
befor my drop...
Now...only 1 and a little into 2 with 225 tires....

Hell....from 40mph roll I'd light'em up threw and into third not anymore.

 

[Clipse]

I would like a GSX for 1/4 mile runs, and awd is cool... the only problem is I always here about drivetrain parts breaking because of high rpm lauches. My roommate has a 1st gen tsi awd and always talks trash about my car being fwd. Well... his transfer case locked up last week and busted his rear axle and diff. ($1,500 in damage). There's something I'll never have to worry about... Wheel hop and torque steer sucks, but you get used to it and learn to control it (I did). An LSD, EBC and slicks is all it takes to walk right next to a gsx off the line.

 

[Violater101]

It's all about the 60 punch! I personally don't care what my ET is as long as I trap a high MPH

 

[GSTspeedracer]

It's all about the 60 punch! I personally don't care what my ET is as long as I trap a high MPH

That's what I'm talkin' about.......99.5% of all my races are on the highway, I don't try to make it like this....it just happens to be that way.

Theirs no excuses for anything......it's all about horsepower....from a roll.

 

[iroibeirt]

true but at the same time, a lot of racing is getting that perfect start off, and its a lot more work for us FWD folks, i think the AWD people have it easy =P haha we actually need skill to launch...haha kidding

 

[TSi92]

Originally posted by GSTspeedracer
It's all about the 60 punch! I personally don't care what my ET is as long as I trap a high MPH

That's what I'm talkin' about.......99.5% of all my races are on the highway, I don't try to make it like this....it just happens to be that way.

Theirs no excuses for anything......it's all about horsepower....from a roll.

Funny how some people (mostly AWD guys) think that racing from a roll is #@%#@%#@%. When you race is a speeding contest, there's no rules about it, you line up and you race no matter if it's from 0 mph or from a 60 mph roll. A race is a race period.

 

[4Gst63]

I think it all depends on what you want your to be capable of doing, as far as 60', 1/4 mile, street, etc etc. My .02 cause my needs differ from what some of the other people have posted.

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by mavisky
what kind of limited slip do you have larry?

BM Limited Slip.. the cheapy one but the newer one with upgraded springs in it.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by Slowboy
Just use these and an LSD.....

I got tired of breaking AWD parts..... Just wanted to try something new before we build a real drag car.

My FWD will be my street driver and should go 130 plus MPH. ( same engine the AWD went 126.58 no nitrous )

Just a better turbo and less weight

Mike Huml
aka...slowboy

You bought the slicks I wanted before I knew they were for sale .

But anyways, do you know or could you try to fit those tires/rims on anything with AWD big brakes for me?

I have big brakes on my 2g FWD, and need to run slicks. That perfect 24.5x8x15 size will fit on a few nice/light wheels I've found, but no one can tell me FOR SURE if a 15" rim will fit over a set of big brakes.

If you could, I would GREATLY appreciate it!

Ya 130mph+ FWD is crazy

 

[Slowboy]

But anyways, do you know or could you try to fit those tires/rims on anything with AWD big brakes for me?

I have the big brakes from a 93 AWD on the front of my 91 GST, they fit without a problem.

Sorry I beat you to them!

They measure 24 x 9, and should be tested out on a 14b this week .......... Not breaking the new engine in on a new turbo....

Regards,

Mike Huml

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by Slowboy

They measure 24 x 9, and should be tested out on a 14b this week .......... Not breaking the new engine in on a new turbo....

Regards,

Mike Huml

Hey mike, I have a few questions to ask if you don't mind.
How close to the struts do those tires come?
What width rim are those and lastly what is the offset?
I have a set a little wider and don't want to go to a 10" rim. Any help would save hours of messing around to get the right fit.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by Slowboy


I have the big brakes from a 93 AWD on the front of my 91 GST, they fit without a problem.

Sorry I beat you to them!

They measure 24 x 9, and should be tested out on a 14b this week .......... Not breaking the new engine in on a new turbo....

Regards,

Mike Huml

Ok, just one more thing...

Those Kosei's they are mounted on...do you know what size they are?

I would assume they need a 15x8 rim, but I've only found the Kosei's in a size 15x7.

If you can take pics of them mounted on the car, I would appreciate it as well.

 

[Slowboy]

I will have the car together this week, and will gladly post some pics for you.

I am pretty sure they are a 7" wide rim.

I bought them already mounted, from another dsm'r...

Regards,

Mike Huml