FP Big t28 vs t28 killer

[oldman]

Go to slowboys site and find out for yourself. They're they ones that originally sent the turbo over seas to be made, but turned down buying it after they saw how bad it was engineered. So tchargers.com stepped up instead and advertised the turbo as better than a standard Evo3 16g. Go figure

Which means you have no personal experience with the turbo itself and you're just posting what you read, one side of the story no leass. Please stay on topic guys, anymore off topic posts will be deleted from this point on, thank you.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Dude, i do have personal experience with this turbo SEEING IT DIE WITHIN 1000 MILES.

 

[oldman]

Dude, i do have personal experience with this turbo SEEING IT DIE WITHIN 1000 MILES.

And you're more than welcome to share your experience on one of the many EVO3 vs. GT threads, no need to start another one here. Again, PLEASE stay on topic.

 

[Raph]

guys,back on topic..i took this outta my buddies fiat turbo(2.0 liter5 cyl 20 v) today..looks like a t28 killer to us.. its the factory turbo .. if this really is a t28 killer..(his car barely pulls on me now after he upped the boost) then this isnt tjhe turbo im looking for..and i need some new suggestions

 

[Denji]

guys,back on topic..i took this outta my buddies fiat turbo(2.0 liter5 cyl 20 v) today..looks like a t28 killer to us.. its the factory turbo .. if this really is a t28 killer..(his car barely pulls on me now after he upped the boost) then this isnt tjhe turbo im looking for..and i need some new suggestions

That is by the same brand, but doesnt look to be the t28 killer, at least not the ones made for the dsm, here is a picture of mine, note that mine says Garret on the housing. Also, the charge pipe is not the same shape in the one you have pictured, and the wastegate actuator arm appears incredibly short. However, that does appear to be a big 16g compressor wheel, which is used in the t28 killer. I honestly dont see how that would bolt on your car without some serious work though, is that the actual turbo your considering putting on your car? if so, its not worth it in my opinion.

Here is a picture of my t28 killer.<img src="http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/files/3/0/7/0/9/30709airesearch.jpg" alt="t-28 killer" />

 

[Raph]

no no no, it came of my boys Fiat Coupe 20v turbo.. it was stock in there like that,it says garret on it as well..the only real difference is a) the coimpressor outlet faces downwards i.e..its missing the elbow..) and b) it has a V Band flange to attach to his o2 housing ..it has a Garret CHRA just like any other T25 or t28..


edit> it bolts up just fine actually..i have a silicone elbow on my t25 (i dont have a dsm t25) i would only have to modify the downpipe (make a v band one..no prob)


but i just want a nice street turbo likle a 16g but with a garret style chra.. because i got custom oil and waterlines (i made a 4g63 nt to turbo) and there made to fit into a garret Middle section ( water lines off heater core, oil off filter, custom return line into oil pan.. closer to the tranny side than stock dsm.. it gives me more room to work with


can anyone make a sugesstion? i really dont want to invest in different custom lines again..

no,i dont want the stock pita dsm oil and water lines.. mine come off in 3 mins ,so9 i wanna keep those

can anyone tell me what kind of threading are in the 16gs water and oil connetions? 4AN or 6AN? etc? pics would help ALOT

 

[Boosted98gsx]

here are pics of mine right after i bought it and polished it.

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And here you can see the POS 6cm inlet:

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[Denji]

6cm? mine is 7cm. I had to buy a 7cm gasket from machV motorsports to get it to match up correctly with my evo exhaust manifold (ported). Both the evo exhaust manifold, the gasket and the t28 killer i have are all 7cm wide, i personally put them on and made sure it was all the same size for the best possible flow. Either you have mistaken, or you have some early version of the killer or something weird because mine is definitely 7cm.

 

[97EclipseGS-T]

ok, this has been driving me crazy. When you guys say Big T-28, are you refering to slowboys BT28? or back to FP's Killer? This has been seriously getting to me. I'm trying to find out what at ported B-T28 from slowboy will flow. Here is one excuse why to go a T-28 of anykind over a evoIII16... yes, the T-28 spools up quicker and last to redline and the Big16-EvoIII16G spools just a little be later but pulls like a mother###er at higher RPM's. I know If did go with evoIII 16G ported i would be looking for a punch and a half, it is an insane turbo... but lets take this to mind.....

I own a 97 Eclipse GS-T.... yes.. the 7-bolt crank wonder. I went with a bigT-28 from slowboy ONLY because i'm shit scared of the threaded walk... less to worry about. I have had sooo many problems with my car that the last thing I need is to I have a 6-bolt sitting in my garage right now just about to start building... trust me... that motor won't see anything but a 20G or better...or 50 trim with DSMlink.

 

[daren_p]

ok, this has been driving me crazy. When you guys say Big T-28, are you refering to slowboys BT28? or back to FP's Killer? This has been seriously getting to me. I'm trying to find out what at ported B-T28 from slowboy will flow. Here is one excuse why to go a T-28 of anykind over a evoIII16... yes, the T-28 spools up quicker and last to redline and the Big16-EvoIII16G spools just a little be later but pulls like a mother###er at higher RPM's. I know If did go with evoIII 16G ported i would be looking for a punch and a half, it is an insane turbo... but lets take this to mind.....

I own a 97 Eclipse GS-T.... yes.. the 7-bolt crank wonder. I went with a bigT-28 from slowboy ONLY because i'm shit scared of the threaded walk... less to worry about. I have had sooo many problems with my car that the last thing I need is to I have a 6-bolt sitting in my garage right now just about to start building... trust me... that motor won't see anything but a 20G or better...or 50 trim with DSMlink.

So what does a larger turbo have anything to do with crankwalk?

 

[97EclipseGS-T]

The fact of having more power... i should just say this... I'm not looking for huge Horsepower on my 7-bolt.... When you add more power... you'll need a better clutch. I'm on a 2100 series ACT to stay away from the walking. If you went with a EVo III 16G, I'm almost 100 percent sure if I asked everyone what clutch to get, you would say ACT2600 series or one of Slowboy's high pressure clutches. ACT 2600 series and up is more prone because now your putting more pressure on the trust bearing. Its the belief that the thrust bearing being small and the oil squirters being small that can lead to the cranking

 

[daren_p]

The fact of having more power... i should just say this... I'm not looking for huge Horsepower on my 7-bolt.... When you add more power... you'll need a better clutch. I'm on a 2100 series ACT to stay away from the walking. If you went with a EVo III 16G, I'm almost 100 percent sure if I asked everyone what clutch to get, you would say ACT2600 series or one of Slowboy's high pressure clutches. ACT 2600 series and up is more prone because now your putting more pressure on the trust bearing. Its the belief that the thrust bearing being small and the oil squirters being small that can lead to the cranking

OK I origionally you were thinking that more power would cause the crank to walk, but your just talking about it because of clutches. I still would have gone evoIII, any clutch that will stand up to the t28 will stand up to the evoIII. I would think most of the abuse is when your first letting the clutch out & when you first spool the turbo. In the mid to upper rpms where the evoIII starts to make more power I don't think there is the same amount of strain on the clutch. I ran my stock clutch all last summer with my evoIII @ 18 psi and have had zero problems. I will be replacing my clutch/flywheel this spring as I just got an LSD and obviously want to do it all at the same time. I will be running a CFDF clutch, which puts less/equal pressure on the thrust bearing as the act 2100 but will hold more power. I plan on upgrading to a larger turbo in the future and I feel that this clutch will still work great.

 

[KPEclipse]

I've read most of this post and let me just throw in my .02. I just was about to do the same thing, and go in on a T28, but asked Cragger from slowboy some questions first. He told me that right now the EVOIII is probably the turbo I'm looking for. Apparently, the t28 is really popular among autoxers because of its wide powerband. The problem with the t28 is that it still falls out of boost (like a t25) at around 6000, just not as bad.

The EVOIII is a bit bigger. He said the best idea about a t28 would be if you were just going to get the turbo and no future mods. No injectors, FMIC, pump, etc. If you don't plan to do those upgrades then maybe a t28 is for you. But if you do plan on at one point getting those mods to help the turbo, you should probably just get an EVOIII.

Just a fellow dsmer trying to help...good luck with whatever you do.

KP

 

[97EclipseGS-T]

My plan as a DSMer is to experience everything I can. In chapters if i must. I moded my car took take advantage of my ported t-25. When that went, I went to a SB B-T28 and moded to take advantage of the turbo's potential. I'm working on a 6-bolt now that I just bought. That will definantly not see anything but a 20G +. I plan to gain the experience to help others with hands on tech. Yeah... maybe a Big T-28 is not the choice... but its not a bad turbo to start with. In a way... "why would you spend the money to go to a Bid T-28 when you can just buy a Evo III 16G right off the shelf for the same price?".... its goes towards the "gaining experience"

 

[daren_p]

My plan as a DSMer is to experience everything I can. In chapters if i must. I moded my car took take advantage of my ported t-25. When that went, I went to a SB B-T28 and moded to take advantage of the turbo's potential. I'm working on a 6-bolt now that I just bought. That will definantly not see anything but a 20G +. I plan to gain the experience to help others with hands on tech. Yeah... maybe a Big T-28 is not the choice... but its not a bad turbo to start with. In a way... "why would you spend the money to go to a Bid T-28 when you can just buy a Evo III 16G right off the shelf for the same price?".... its goes towards the "gaining experience"

Yes it does go towards gaining experience, but it also goes towards spending extra money . Well to each there own. I origionally thought the evoIII would be more then enough for me but I will more then likely upgrade next summer, so I guess were both in the same boat

 

[KPEclipse]

if thats where you are coming from than thats a fine option, i just know for me...i dont like to jump around and through alot of parts and such...i like to get stuff on and working...tune...and then if i dont like that setup then upgrade...i think a 16g would be just fine for me whereas a big t28 or whatever id be mad about it dropping boost etc...but enjoy it...

KP

 

[Denji]

ok, this has been driving me crazy. When you guys say Big T-28, are you refering to slowboys BT28? or back to FP's Killer? This has been seriously getting to me.

I own a 97 Eclipse GS-T.... yes.. the 7-bolt crank wonder. I went with a bigT-28 from slowboy ONLY because i'm shit scared of the threaded walk... less to worry about. I have had sooo many problems with my car that the last thing I need is to I have a 6-bolt sitting in my garage right now just about to start building... trust me... that motor won't see anything but a 20G or better...or 50 trim with DSMlink.

1.The big t28 we are reffering to is forced performances big t28
2.The FP killer does not exist, were reffering to the AiResearch t28 killer as sold on turbochargers.com
3.We have not referred to slowboys t28 yet in this thread.

4.I understand what your saying about the 7-bolt, I purposely put a mild pressure plate in my car for just that reason, just an extra safeguard.

 

[97EclipseGS-T]

anyone have experience with the SB-Bt28? What does Slowboy use for internals?