FP Big t28 vs t28 killer

[RLx02]

Sup guys.

I've been reading about the t28's vs the 16g's but whats the prime difference between FP's big t28 and the t28 killer? Is the killer worth the extra 1-200 dollars? After reading some more threads I know I'll have to cut the outlet so the piping wont be all skewed but I can do that...

I've been out in iraq for 7 months and i'm headed back home soon so I cant wait to start working on my car again.

Need your help in kuwait.

-Ruri

 

[Matts95TSiAWD]

just bought an evo316g but havent played with it yet


hope u have fun let me kno what you get because i think that the t28 would be fun as heck!! i also have a brand new 14b i will let go for cheap if you want.

 

[Raph]

can anyone answer the question, im in the same dilema ..

which one is better for a quick street car that loves to do roll ons .. and which one would spool fast and make nice top end for 4th and 5th gear autobahn runs?

 

[DGajre777]

When you ask about a BIg T28 Turbo, most people will say get a Evo III. I prefer the T28 bolt on turbo that looks stock and spools fast, however the EvoIII will outflow the Big T28.

Here are a few things:
1) FP Big T28, get it ported and get the 17psi actuator if you will have fuel mods and other mods to run high boost.
2) T28 Killer, made by Turbochargers.com, uses 16G parts in a special made compressor cover.

People on here have run FP T28 turbos for a few years without any problems and people have issues with warranty from Turbochargers.com. I would go with the FP T28 over the T28 killer. If you don't like FP (for any reason, I don't know why anyone wouldn't), you can get a T28 turbo from SlowboyRacing, AGPTurbo or Roadraceengineering.com

 

[c5chris]

Forced Performance actually had improved their Big T28 turbo. The one they sell right now outflows the old big T28 that they sold a few years back. With the 17 PSI actuator, you can run higher boost levels in it and for some reason, the T28 is less prone compressor surge compared to Mitsubishi turbos (this includes the Evo3 16G). This could be remedied by porting the manifold though.

 

[daren_p]

Forced Performance actually had improved their Big T28 turbo. The one they sell right now outflows the old big T28 that they sold a few years back. With the 17 PSI actuator, you can run higher boost levels in it and for some reason, the T28 is less prone compressor surge compared to Mitsubishi turbos (this includes the Evo3 16G). This could be remedied by porting the manifold though.

Compressor surge in the mitsu turbos? I've never heard of this. Boost creep on an evoIII, yes, but surge?

Is there a reson why you want to go with a t28 vs an evoIII? They are both extremely fast spooling turbos, evoIII you lose maybe couple hundred, but you gain alot of top end which is really nice. They used to be about the same price because you have to add a 2g install kit ontop of the evoIII price but now with the price drop the evoIII is cheeper. This is what I would recommend as an amazing street turbo that also doesn't lose much steam on the long highway pulls. To have some real fun you will need to add a fuel system upgrade, tunning method & logger for both setups.

 

[Denji]

The t28 killer turbo is somewhat larger than the big-t28, here is the key differences.

big-t28 is made by forced performance and is very similar to the garrett t-28, it flows right around 500cfm and is going to be the smaller, yet faster spooling of the two.

t28 killer- is made by AiResearch and uses a 16g compressor Wheel with a t-28 exhaust turbine. The t28 killer has a custom AiResearch housing and flows approximately 550cfm

Both of these turbos are bolt on and will replace your turbo just as a replacement would so long as you have a 2g.

The t28 killer is pretty much comparable to the mitsubishi big 16g, which is rated at the same 550cfm specs as the t28killer, as well as the same max hp numbers.

I cant tell you how the big t28 compares to the t28killer from personal experience, I have the t28killer in my car and never had a big t28, but i have been very happy with the killer thus far and I would expect that you would be too, however, I wouldnt buy it at the new selling price, I got a good deal on mine used. - Brandon

 

[c5chris]

Compressor surge in the mitsu turbos? I've never heard of this. Boost creep on an evoIII, yes, but surge?

I meant to say that. Posting from work confuses me sometimes.

 

[daren_p]

WTF I was just checking out the prices on the t28 killer, $850 with your good core or $1050 without, is that correct? Thats crazy. You can pick up a real MHI evoIII for $460 an install kit for 150-200 & put the left over cash to other upgrades. Seems crazy to me to spend more money and get less power

 

[MattnGsx]

WTF I was just checking out the prices on the t28 killer, $850 with your good core or $1050 without, is that correct? Thats crazy. You can pick up a real MHI evoIII for $460 an install kit for 150-200 & put the left over cash to other upgrades. Seems crazy to me to spend more money and get less power

I paid 900 shipped COD (this is nice if you don't have a CC) almost 3 years ago, no core.

I look at it this way... How much do you want to do, and how easy do you want it to be?
I can install/uninstall my T-28k in 20 minutes. Took me 45 minutes originally to install (rusty downpipe, and bad oil feed line).

All 3 turbos are great turbos the FPB T-28, T28K, and the evo3.
I have put down 260whp @ 20psi (fwd) with my t-28k with no FMIC.

Anyone you choose im sure you will like, untill you want bigger (I know I want bigger, love the boost, i love the boost)!!!

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Killer T-28 and the Big 28 is like comparing the EVOIII 16g to the regular 16g, thats the leap you get. Make power like the EVOIII without the headache of the install kit.

 

[daren_p]

Killer T-28 and the Big 28 is like comparing the EVOIII 16g to the regular 16g, thats the leap you get. Make power like the EVOIII without the headache of the install kit.

Make power like or close to the evoIII & spend $200-$400 more doing so, I dunno seems like a no brainer to me As for the install difficulty over the t28, there basically is no difference, if you can change one you can change the other, the evoIII would maybe take 10 min longer the first time you do it.

 

[big_88_ca]

I just bought a FPBig28 and I am loving it. Just at 15psi (stock actuator) it is pulling like hell! I didn't buy a boost controler yet but I can't wait to see how it goes at 20psi...
They ran 11.82 @ 119.3 mph with a full weight gsx, I don't know many 16g that can do better then that!
I sent my old old t25 that was leaking oil in exchange and it only cost me 600$. It was about the same price I would have paid for a used evoIII 16g with the install kit. Now I have a brand new turbo that spools strong at 3000rpm.

 

[daren_p]

I just bought a FPBig28 and I am loving it. Just at 15psi (stock actuator) it is pulling like hell! I didn't buy a boost controler yet but I can't wait to see how it goes at 20psi...
They ran 11.82 @ 119.3 mph with a full weight gsx, I don't know many 16g that can do better then that!
I sent my old old t25 that was leaking oil in exchange and it only cost me 600$. It was about the same price I would have paid for a used evoIII 16g with the install kit. Now I have a brand new turbo that spools strong at 3000rpm.

You can now get a brand new MHI evoIII for $459 add $150 for an install kit, so your looking at the same price, plus you keep your t25 which you can sell for extra $ or hold on to if you want to put the car back stock. That 11.82 how many guys in the "real" world have run that? I know of quite a few evoIII's that have done that and better (take a look around here). We know the evoIII has made over 42 lb/min of airflow, what can the FPbig28 do? Its not that I think the 28 is a bad turbo I just think for the money there are better choices but thats only my opinion.

 

[Denji]

I would have to say that it is my opinion that the t28 killer and big t28 has an important benefit over the 16g that is not being brought up. Buying a ready made fmic already piped for the 16g is near impossible since it has a different setup than the stock configuration, while running either t28 turbos would really be a benefit when you have tons of different intercooler options to choose from due to them being made for the stock setup.

Not that this is the most important aspect of a decision, it is however a notable one.

 

[daren_p]

I would have to say that it is my opinion that the t28 killer and big t28 has an important benefit over the 16g that is not being brought up. Buying a ready made fmic already piped for the 16g is near impossible since it has a different setup than the stock configuration, while running either t28 turbos would really be a benefit when you have tons of different intercooler options to choose from due to them being made for the stock setup.

Not that this is the most important aspect of a decision, it is however a notable one.

That isn't completely true. Yes there are some fmic that are designed to work with the t25/t28, but these are the long route kits such as greddy & HRC and personally wouldn't be my first choice. All the short route kits such as Victory Performance, SBR, Kinetic, etc are designed to work with a down firing 20g 50 trim etc. By a jpipe such as the dejon tool, which exits in the same locatin and its a direct hook up.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

t28 killer- is made by AiResearch and uses a 16g compressor Wheel with a t-28 exhaust turbine. The t28 killer has a custom AiResearch housing and flows approximately 550cfm

NO. The killer is made by turbochargers.com as a slapd**k knockoff of the big28 to try to steal customers. This turbo is made by a bad company by bad people, and you can bet your a** that they dont give a damn about how the turbo comes off the line as long as there is money in their pockets.

The killer uses your STOCK turbine housing (YES 6CM TURBINE HOUSING AND TURBINE) and slaps a big16g wheel with a AIResearch comp cover to eliminate the need for a j-pipe.

I have used this turbo, in fact i was the second person with one ever. I hated it. The thing glowed bright cherry red just from normal daily driving. In case you haven't figured it out on this point, that turbo is HORRIBLY ineffiecient. Save your money and buy an Evo3 16g instead. Now i didn't say a Evo3 GT, becuase those chinese knockoffs are worse than the 28 killer in design and casting elements. Get a REGULAR MHI evo3 16g.

Those are my $.02

 

[DGajre777]

^^^^ I thought I already covered what 'Boosted98gsx' said in Post # 4. Oh well.

2) T28 Killer, made by Turbochargers.com, uses 16G parts in a special made compressor cover.

People on here have run FP T28 turbos for a few years without any problems and people have issues with warranty from Turbochargers.com.

 

[Denji]

NO. The killer is made by turbochargers.com as a slapd**k knockoff of the big28 to try to steal customers. This turbo is made by a bad company by bad people, and you can bet your a** that they dont give a damn about how the turbo comes off the line as long as there is money in their pockets.

The killer uses your STOCK turbine housing (YES 6CM TURBINE HOUSING AND TURBINE) and slaps a big16g wheel with a AIResearch comp cover to eliminate the need for a j-pipe.

I have used this turbo, in fact i was the second person with one ever. I hated it. The thing glowed bright cherry red just from normal daily driving. In case you haven't figured it out on this point, that turbo is HORRIBLY ineffiecient. Save your money and buy an Evo3 16g instead. Now i didn't say a Evo3 GT, becuase those chinese knockoffs are worse than the 28 killer in design and casting elements. Get a REGULAR MHI evo3 16g.

Those are my $.02

It is not made by turbochargers.com it is made by AiResearch. Please stop telling others false information that is backed by nothing other than the fact that it is sold by turbochargers.com, I think you guys just started making this up for fun?! Here is a sample from garretts website-

The fifties were marked by Garrett's diversification and expansion. On the industrial side, the first T-15 Turbocharger was delivered to the Caterpillar Company. It was followed by an order for 5,000 production units, leading to the formation of the AiResearch Industrial Division.

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/ts/tt/aboutus_history.htm -here is the site

They are all made by divisions of honeywell turbo industries, the makers of garrett turbos. AiResearch makes very arguably the same quality turbos as Garrett. Garrett has been marketing under the airesearch name for years.

 

[DGajre777]

It is not made by turbochargers.com it is made by AiResearch. Please stop telling others false information that is backed by nothing other than the fact that it is sold by turbochargers.com, I think you guys just started making this up for fun?! Here is a sample from garretts website-

The fifties were marked by Garrett's diversification and expansion. On the industrial side, the first T-15 Turbocharger was delivered to the Caterpillar Company. It was followed by an order for 5,000 production units, leading to the formation of the AiResearch Industrial Division.

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/ts/tt/aboutus_history.htm -here is the site

They are all made by divisions of honeywell turbo industries, the makers of garrett turbos. AiResearch makes very arguably the same quality turbos as Garrett. Garrett has been marketing under the airesearch name for years.

The T28 Killer turbo has the T25 turbine housing, Big 16G internals and the compressor cover by AiResearch which is marketed under Garrett (like you said). But this does not make it a Garrett turbo or an AiResearch turbo. The B16G is a mitsubishi turbo, so how does it's internals end up in a T28 killer turbo and you still call it a Garrett turbo?? The T25 is a Garrett turbo, the T28 killer is not. If anything, the T28 killer could be called a Garrett/Mitsubishi hybrid turbo.

And since the post wars have begun - please let us be mature about this. I've seen many threads get locked by moderators because people take something written on here as a personal attack. If someone (including me) is wrong, let's discuss it instead of getting a thread blocked.

 

[Denji]

I think you have a few things confused here. The T28 Killer turbo has the T25 turbine housing, Big 16G internals and the compressor cover by AiResearch which is marketed under Garrett (like you said). But this does not make it a Garrett turbo or an AiResearch turbo. The T25 is a Garrett turbo, the T28 killer is not.

And before the post wars begin - please let us be mature about this. I've seen many threads get locked by moderators because people take something written on here as a personal attack. If someone (including me) is wrong, let's discuss it instead of getting a thread blocked.

The only part of the entire turbo that is from the big 16g is the compressor wheel, then the exhaust turbine is from a garrett t28, which you didnt even account for in the post above. If your going to post information, post the source, reference it or leave a link so that I can tell where you pulled the info from. Slowboyracing even used to sell this turbo, when I asked a representative about it they said they stopped selling it because it was not as affordable as the 16g, but that it was a good turbo just not practical when compared to the price difference even with installation kit.

 

[DGajre777]

The only part of the entire turbo that is from the big 16g is the compressor wheel, then the exhaust turbine is from a garrett t28, which you didnt even account for in the post above. If your going to post information, post the source, reference it or leave a link so that I can tell where you pulled the info from. Slowboyracing even used to sell this turbo, when I asked a representative about it they said they stopped selling it because it was not as affordable as the 16g, but that it was a good turbo just not practical when compared to the price difference even with installation kit.

Damn, couldn't you wait until I finished typing/editing my post? Okay, so the exhaust turbine is from a Garrett T28, this I didn't know (Thank you for the information ), but still how and why would it be called Garrett Turbo if it uses a B16G compressor? It's like me having part on my Samsung TV from an Aiwa TV and market it and sell it as a Samsung, it's just wrong. And it doesn't make sense why slowboy sells the Big T28 but not the T28 Killer if both of them are Garrett turbos. http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=77&

 

[Denji]

Damn, couldn't you wait until I finished typing/editing my post? Okay, so the exhaust turbine is from a Garrett T28, this I didn't know (Thank you for the information ), but still how and why would it be called Garrett Turbo if it uses a B16G compressor? It's like me having part on my Samsung TV from an Aiwa TV and market it and sell it as a Samsung, it's just wrong. And it doesn't make sense why slowboy sells the Big T28 but not the T28 Killer if both of them are Garrett turbos. http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=77&

Well, we ended up with mitsubishi 4g63 motors that have garrett turbos on them, not mitsubishi, so the manufacturer common sense is thrown kind of out the window there.

The t28 Killer turbocharger is priced at 850 with good core on turbochargers.com, while the bigt28 is priced at 600 with core, thats a huge price difference right there, that could account very easily why slowboy would see the killer as a less practical turbo sale-wise.

 

[No_Skillz]

the T28 is less prone compressor surge compared to Mitsubishi turbos (this includes the Evo3 16G)..

If you have compressor surge, chances are your mbc is teed to your bov. The correct way is to tee it to your compressor/j-pipe. One of the popular misconceptions out there and I once was teed to the bov also... oldman showed me the light.

Now i didn't say a Evo3 GT, becuase those chinese knockoffs are worse than the 28 killer in design and casting elements. \

Do you have proof or statistics of that?

 

[Boosted98gsx]

The only part of the entire turbo that is from the big 16g is the compressor wheel, then the exhaust turbine is from a garrett t28, which you didnt even account for in the post above. If your going to post information, post the source, reference it or leave a link so that I can tell where you pulled the info from. Slowboyracing even used to sell this turbo, when I asked a representative about it they said they stopped selling it because it was not as affordable as the 16g, but that it was a good turbo just not practical when compared to the price difference even with installation kit.

Incorrect. The turbine housing is a TD04. The garrett parts consist of the comp cover and CHRA (minus compressor). The rest is mix-matched mitsu. The garrett t-25/28 that is used on our cars uses a mitsu turbine housing with a garrett CHRA and comp coverl. Why do you think it bolts onto our cars, like other mitsu turbos? We dont have garrett flanged manifolds.