FP-3052 / AGP-3076R / AGP-3071R - Differences?

[zdrux]

So I`m at a time when I`m looking to upgrade my turbo (AGP L2R). At first the good ol' 50trim looked appealing, alot of people having success, showing nice dyno numbers, good on pump, etc. The AGPL2R in itself is NOT the greatest turbo, it has terrible spool time, very low flow numbers, and just doesn't perform the way it should. Please don't start flame wars about my tuning because it has been proven many times.

But anyways, I`m currently flowing 37lbs/min of air at about 25psi, that's un-acceptable. I was looking at the FP3052, amazing numbers and real good feedback from people are coming from everywhere about this turbo. The downside is it uses FPs custom Mitsu housing, which I do not need because I have a nice SFP Tubular T3/T4 manifold.

So then I visited AGP's site and noticed their 3076R which at the bottom says "Also known as GT30R and 3052" are they reffering to the FP3052?

I really like the performance numbers out of this turbo, is AGP's version the same thing but only in a full Garrett setup? And if so, would it be wise to go with the AGP's Garrett setup rather than the custom Mitsu housing? Any views on this?

Any negative/positive feedback about these turbo's?

My turbo currently spools in the high 4k's at 90-100F weather in 3rd gear. Full cams, 9:1CP, lightened flywheel, DSMLink, etc.. etc.. pretty shitty if you ask me. So spool is not so much of a concern for me, can anyone tell me if they have personal experience with the AGP turbo.

Also, am I expecting a HUGE difference if I go with the bigger 3076R vs. the 3071R? The car is a street car, it will see the track *maybe* once a year (if that). I do *NOT* want to see anything faster than me on the street, so please do not suggest any of the Mitsu turbo's (16g/18g/20g/etc).

 

[Tort9320g]

So I`m at a time when I`m looking to upgrade my turbo (AGP L2R). At first the good ol' 50trim looked appealing, alot of people having success, showing nice dyno numbers, good on pump, etc. The AGPL2R in itself is NOT the greatest turbo, it has terrible spool time, very low flow numbers, and just doesn't perform the way it should. Please don't start flame wars about my tuning because it has been proven many times.

But anyways, I`m currently flowing 37lbs/min of air at about 25psi, that's un-acceptable. I was looking at the FP3052, amazing numbers and real good feedback from people are coming from everywhere about this turbo. The downside is it uses FPs custom Mitsu housing, which I do not need because I have a nice SFP Tubular T3/T4 manifold.

So then I visited AGP's site and noticed their 3076R which at the bottom says "Also known as GT30R and 3052" are they reffering to the FP3052?

I really like the performance numbers out of this turbo, is AGP's version the same thing but only in a full Garrett setup? And if so, would it be wise to go with the AGP's Garrett setup rather than the custom Mitsu housing? Any views on this?

Any negative/positive feedback about these turbo's?



My turbo currently spools in the high 4k's at 90-100F weather in 3rd gear. Full cams, 9:1CP, lightened flywheel, DSMLink, etc.. etc.. pretty shitty if you ask me. So spool is not so much of a concern for me, can anyone tell me if they have personal experience with the AGP turbo.

Also, am I expecting a HUGE difference if I go with the bigger 3076R vs. the 3071R? The car is a street car, it will see the track *maybe* once a year (if that). I do *NOT* want to see anything faster than me on the street, so please do not suggest any of the Mitsu turbo's (16g/18g/20g/etc).

I too have heard many positive things about the 3052. The numbers that interest me though are E.T. and mph. You may find it helpful to go onto DSM Times and look up some of these turbos. I have no idea about the 3076R or the 3071R. I can't help but believe they wouldn't be rather laggy on the street without a shot of nitrous to spool them. As far as the Mitsu turbos i love my little old 20g. So many people underestimate this workhorse. I've had NO PROBLEMS with anyone on the street. The last time out we ran 11.03 @ 126.79 mph. We're tuning more agressively next time out to hit the elusive 10 second pass. Try to talk to some people who run these turbos to get some real time feedback. Best of luck with your choice !!

Dave

 

[definitiveno]

3052 is a 3076r wheel, the 3071 and 3076 are both considered gt30r but the 3076r is the popular trim every one is using, rated 52 lbs/min just above the 50 trim. 3076r is very efficient, spool up similar o 3052 (between 3600 - 3800 depending on setup and psi) makes pretty good numbers with the evo guys (stock long block/cams evo made 476 whp at 26 psi) it comes with available internal gate. If you already have a t3 manifold than technically you are looking for a full garret unit.


I just bought a 3076R from slowboy along with adapter plates to fit my SBR cast manif
old. The wheel is prooven. FP is making 515hp to all four wheels on pump gas with it. Best of luck with your decision.

 

[zdrux]

Thanks for the good feedback. I was hoping to get another for the 3076R since that's what I was leaning towards in my mind, but I needed a little nudge I suppose

I think I will go with the AGP 3076R like recommended by definitiveno, pump gas pefromance has been proven with this which is all I needed to know.

Anybody else wish to throw in their $0.02 as to why I should go with the FP Mitsu version rather than the T3/T4 AGP Version? It would be a real waste to sell my t3/t4 manifold, housing, and gate at this time, so I would prefer to get the AGP full Garrett setup.

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

zdurx which turbine housing a/r will be running with it?

 

[zdrux]

zdurx which turbine housing a/r will be running with it?

That is actually a VERY good question. To which I don't have a *solid* answer to. I think I will go with the 0.63 over the 0.82.

The 0.63 will clearly give me a slightly better spool, and if I ever reach the potential of the 0.63 housing, I will upgrade the turbine wheel to something bigger. I VERY highly doubt I`ll be running near the max of the potential of this turbo. I've got a fully built motor and all, but I`m still in need of an intake manifold, which I do not see coming anytime soon with my bank account in the state its in right now

I`m also wanting to rev this thing all the way to 8k-8.5k but can't do without springs and retainers, thats another $300 down the drain so I`ll stick with the 0.63 for now.

p.s.: Does anybody know the difference between the 0.63 and 0.63GT listed on AGP's site for this turbo?

 

[definitiveno]

p.s.: Does anybody know the difference between the 0.63 and 0.63GT listed on AGP's site for this turbo?

It's a different turbine housing, I don't know if the flange is different or what is different at all, let me know when you find out the full details wont you?



PS, glad I could help



If the GT housing is something new and better I might press SBR for one since I haven't taken delivery yet.

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

p.s.: Does anybody know the difference between the 0.63 and 0.63GT listed on AGP's site for this turbo?

The T31 4bolt has 2.5" outlet whereas GT 4blot has 3" outlet good for 3" O2 housing.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

If I could toss in a suggestion?

I have a friend who manages a dyno shop in my area. www.f1dyno.com

He has a White Sti that has the following:

-Forged shortblock
-Stock heads
-stock cams
-"Tumbler valve" butterflys removed in intake manifold
-880cc injectors
-Walbro 255
-TXS UTEC (Still runs the stock MAF!)
-3" TB

Heres the money maker:

-GT35R (Has stock GT35R .63 Hotside, not some custom housing)

@ 23 psi on pump gas, he coaxed a tune out of it that produced 537AWHP

I will have to suggest the GT35R since you have a T3 manifold.

After seeing this Sti spit out 537HP on pump, and your goal of not losing to anything on the street, I'd say thats your best bet!

 

[definitiveno]

If I could toss in a suggestion?

I have a friend who manages a dyno shop in my area. www.f1dyno.com

He has a White Sti that has the following:

-Forged shortblock
-Stock heads
-stock cams
-"Tumbler valve" butterflys removed in intake manifold
-880cc injectors
-Walbro 255
-TXS UTEC (Still runs the stock MAF!)
-3" TB

Heres the money maker:

-GT35R (Has stock GT35R .63 Hotside, not some custom housing)

@ 23 psi on pump gas, he coaxed a tune out of it that produced 537AWHP

I will have to suggest the GT35R since you have a T3 manifold.

After seeing this Sti spit out 537HP on pump, and your goal of not losing to anything on the street, I'd say thats your best bet!

Peak power is not always the most desirable thing for a street car, I would run that with a stroker most definatly though.........

 

[SpoOLxExO]

I do *NOT* want to see anything faster than me on the street, so please do not suggest any of the Mitsu turbo's (16g/18g/20g/etc).

Geeze Difinitiveno, looks like in this case, peak power IS a good thing on this particular street car.

Besides, you were just raving about FP making 500 sumtin with pump gas on their 3055.

If you already have a t3 manifold than technically you are looking for a full garret unit.


I just bought a 3076R from slowboy along with adapter plates to fit my SBR cast manif
old. The wheel is prooven. FP is making 515hp to all four wheels on pump gas with it. Best of luck with your decision.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say to me with sixteen of these .......

I also negated to add that on this Sti, a useable powerband of 380hp 400lb/ft starts at 4000rpms. I will have to get the dyno sheet posted so you can see the curve for yourself.

Be easy with ya!

 

[definitiveno]

Geeze Difinitiveno, looks like in this case, peak power IS a good thing on this particular street car.

Besides, you were just raving about FP making 500 sumtin with pump gas on their 3055.



I'm not sure what you were trying to say to me with sixteen of these .......

I also negated to add that on this Sti, a useable powerband of 380hp 400lb/ft starts at 4000rpms. I will have to get the dyno sheet posted so you can see the curve for yourself.

Be easy with ya!

Don't put words in my mouth and try to make me out for a fool, I don't play games with you so I deserve the same respect, agreed?


I don't think I need to remind every body that an STI has 2.5 liters displacement, So I guess what I REALLY meant to say is that I would rock a GT35R with a stroker or an STI.

The FP3052 made good peak power yes, but it also turns on nearly 1500 rpms soooner than a GT35R, hence my comment. I am not unfamiliar with this turbo as it is the object of my desire, I just don't think it would be some thing I would fancy day in and day out. In a 2 liter.


I decided for myself I would rather have a little more usable power than a little more peak power (it's a personal opinion, most will agree(not you(thats fine))) and if I really find myself hungry for that little bit extra on the top, a 50 shot of nitrous will be able to cure what ales me.


My 2 cents

 

[definitiveno]

BTW, yes I do know that FP used a stroker motor for their 530 pump gas, but I believe a 2 liter could match that with a few more revs.......


I "hope" to, but we will see when I get the car back up........

 

[CanadianTSi]

Just to add to this, 2 guys i know, 1 with a 60-1 the other with a 3052 both with 272's etc. are pretty much even on pump gas around 23-25psi...

 

[SpoOLxExO]

Don't put words in my mouth and try to make me out for a fool, I don't play games with you so I deserve the same respect, agreed?


I don't think I need to remind every body that an STI has 2.5 liters displacement, So I guess what I REALLY meant to say is that I would rock a GT35R with a stroker or an STI.

The FP3052 made good peak power yes, but it also turns on nearly 1500 rpms soooner than a GT35R, hence my comment. I am not unfamiliar with this turbo as it is the object of my desire, I just don't think it would be some thing I would fancy day in and day out. In a 2 liter.


I decided for myself I would rather have a little more usable power than a little more peak power (it's a personal opinion, most will agree(not you(thats fine))) and if I really find myself hungry for that little bit extra on the top, a 50 shot of nitrous will be able to cure what ales me.


My 2 cents

I wasn't trying to be presumptuous, or try to make you look like a fool. So relax.

Besides, I think you are being selfish in the right to this post. Its not about you. Or your opinon of how on paper, a 2 liter will respond this way, or a stroker will do that with a gt35r.
Homeboy who started this thread made two very clear comments:

I was looking at the FP3052, amazing numbers and real good feedback from people are coming from everywhere about this turbo. The downside is it uses FPs custom Mitsu housing, which I do not need because I have a nice SFP Tubular T3/T4 manifold.

Ok so FP series is out due to the manifold he is running.

I do *NOT* want to see anything faster than me on the street, so please do not suggest any of the Mitsu turbo's (16g/18g/20g/etc).

Basically the GT35R is the BB king of any engine from 1.8-2.5 so that rules out getting beat on the street.

I simply went on this information to add a suggestion, you are adding unnessisary drama to a good post with your sarcasim.

I'll probably dip out of this conversation, since Devinitiveno is a pro, and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[definitiveno]

I wasn't trying to be presumptuous, or try to make you look like a fool. So relax.

Besides, I think you are being selfish in the right to this post. Its not about you. Or your opinon of how on paper, a 2 liter will respond this way, or a stroker will do that with a gt35r.
Homeboy who started this thread made two very clear comments:



Ok so FP series is out due to the manifold he is running.



Basically the GT35R is the BB king of any engine from 1.8-2.5 so that rules out getting beat on the street.

I simply went on this information to add a suggestion, you are adding unnessisary drama to a good post with your sarcasim.

I'll probably dip out of this conversation, since Devinitiveno is a pro, and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I am not dramatic, I say what I mean and a mean what I say. I so hope you don't dip.














you said dip. If making the most hp is king why isn't the GT40 king?

 

[SpoOLxExO]

This is the STi I was talking about at 21 psi.

At 23 Psi the car made 537HP at 6750rpm. If the curve and numbers don't impress, I can't imagine what would.

 

[definitiveno]

If making the most hp is king why isn't the GT40 king?

That was a serious question spool. I don't think I'm better than you, seriously we just got off on the wrong foot.


Ive monitered other peoples results from the gt35r, gt3040, fp 30 turbo's, gt30r's, and from other peoples results I have come to favor the gt30r. I don't mean to come off condenscending, I thought I was just leaving an opion.






<-------not interested in drama

 

[definitiveno]

This is the STi I was talking about at 21 psi.

At 23 Psi the car made 537HP at 6750rpm. If the curve and numbers don't impress, I can't imagine what would.

They do indefinatly, but I don't have an sti. Have you seen dyno charts of a gt35r on a dsm or evo? They are not as well rounded as that and I also have to ask if that guy is running EMS because those are acceptional numbers for an STI.


I think I have some evo gt35r charts layin around, lemme see......

 

[SpoOLxExO]

I'll call it good. No problem, even after your last PM reply. but we don't mention that

What do you think of that dyno curve though?

 

[SpoOLxExO]

They do indefinatly, but I don't have an sti. Have you seen dyno charts of a gt35r on a dsm or evo? They are not as well rounded as that and I also have to ask if that guy is running EMS because those are acceptional numbers for an STI.


I think I have some evo gt35r charts layin around, lemme see......

Thats a funny thing cause hes running the Stock MAF, and a Turbo XS UTEC. Not too bad huh?

Of course with correct tuning, the curve can appear any way it wants in reality.

Seriously, can .5 make that much of a difference? has to be pretty close as far a response is concerned.

I would love to rock a GT anything, but I was especially impressed with the pump-gas numbers the 35r made on this car.

 

[definitiveno]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=119558&highlight=gt35rl+dyno

 

[definitiveno]

heres a cool log of spool up

gt35r + stock long block/bolt on evo http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=70299

 

[definitiveno]

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[zdrux]

I think I`ll be going with the gt30r as opposed to the 35r. I will welcome the slightly lower spool time of the 30r and I doubt I`ll be hitting anywhere CLOSE to 500whp on any of these turbos.

I must say "peak" horsepower is not exactly what I`m looking for, otherwise I`d be eye'ing the GT40's and bigger turbo's that I can spool with a shot of N2O and rev it all the way to 9k.

This car will never be see'ing N2O, or most likely anything above 7.5k so I think the 30R will be more "streetabe" if that's the word for this situation. All the feedback is welcome though, wether I like it or not, always good to see other results.