Fast Naturally aspirated GS

[Steven Frey]

ok guys i have a 1996 eclipse gs and im not going the turbo route im going the N/T way and i need a list of things to make a heck of a fast car. I know i need headers cams and pulleys etc but what are the brands i need to look at and stuff like that i have done some research but i just dont have the time to look into it i just a fast N/T car.

 

[rstare]

Get ready to spend ALOT of money. Check out Marks profile.
View Profile: bullettdsm - DSMtuners.com
He has the fastest n/t as far as I know

 

[Locke]

Get ready to spend ALOT of money. Check out Marks profile.
View Profile: bullettdsm - DSMtuners.com
He has the fastest n/t as far as I know

Fastest and the most powerful.

 

[99RedGs]

ok guys i have a 1996 eclipse gs and im not going the turbo route im going the N/T way and i need a list of things to make a heck of a fast car. I know i need headers cams and pulleys etc but what are the brands i need to look at and stuff like that i have done some research but i just dont have the time to look into it i just a fast N/T car.

If you aren't going turbo.... then you need a 75 wet shot of n2o...

NA will take a lot of work and money, and you won't get the kinds of gains you are looking for for how much you are going to spend.


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[RallyEclipse98]

It's something you won't do. Look into it but you'll go either turbo or basic bolt on's.

Intake.. ebay pipe with a quality filter. I recommend K&N or even better Apexi.

Header.. GReddy, but really do some research.

Exhaust.. GReddy EVO II. Or go cutom.

Megasquirt or Nitrous if you feel like it.

but yeah


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[Shadow98]

Good luck... Like stated above Mark has the fastest and most powerful 2gn/t. The time and money he has put into that car is more than any would care to add up. If you don't have time to research what parts will help you, then you don't have time to make a fast 2gn/t!!! Unless of course... You're super rich, which I doubt, because otherwise you'd have one by now. Now get off your lazy ass and start reading!

 

[Slippi84]

SInce no one is giving you any info other than check marks car out here you go:

INtake : a pipe is a pipe is a pipe. If you want to go all out locate the filter down by the driver side fog light and have the opening in front of it leading air right to filter but be careful around water. If you have deep pockets contact ALL Motor MIKE see if he will make you one of his badass inatke manifolds that flow better than any I have seen so far. If not get a OBX manifold clean it up a little meaning the ports and what not and slap a Modern performance tb on it either way and you'd be set.

Exhaust: Mixed feelings about this as I have a 3" now and while that big on a NA will get you good top end I think it's actually overkill for a NA. Idealy I would like to see a 2.75" full exhaust. Headers I would go for BBP i't's a company you will find on ebay. Great price and good product. 4-1 is the way to go for top end and 4-2-1 for mid range and low end power. Test pipe or high flow cat will be good too but watch out if you have to pass a sniff test.

Motor: All out car that won't see the street much I would go 12:1 cmopression with stage 3 crower cams(this is what mark runs) but if you plan on driving it on the street go with 10:5:1 and go with stage 2 aka 3/4 race crower cams(that is the combo I run). Eagle H beam rods will hold more than you will ever throw at it NA or nitrous. Arp head studs and mains with rod bolts.

After you do that your gonna need to be able to tune. This is up to you which way you go. EIther MSnS, Safc, EManage ect..

Nitrous: Like they said you won't get that far without the bottle or boost with these cars. If you have a car built this well after all that it doesn't make sense not to in my opinion.

 

[Locke]

I'd go with 12:1CR on a DD, if I had a good tune and kept good fuel in it. It would be better. The cams, their dial-in, and port size/shape make the largest impact on streetability. I agree with you though, Slippi, Crower 3's may be a bit intolerable on the steet. Increasing the LSA on the Crower 3's will improve idle and low end, but how streetable you could get them would be pure speculation. It would likely be best to go with Crower 2's with gears and a good dial-in if you will see much street time.

Here is a fully built 420a NA (Bullett's racecar)
YouTube - Bullett pulling 2gnt off trailer

As far as brand and such, there really isn't a very large choice. The majority of all name brands offering parts for us sell decent stuff.

 

[Slippi84]

YEah I guess you could get away with 12:1 on the steets but the little bit gained by the higher compression makes spraying a little too risky in my opinion.

I gotta make it out to the shootout next year I keep tellin myself to go but always forget when it is and I'm always busy. That and I'm a 6'2 black guy being that close to redneck country might increase my chances of DWB's

 

[Locke]

Yeah, 12:1 with nitrous would be scary, (for me) but when squeezing HP out of a spray-less NA 4 cylinder, high CR is definitely needed.


OT:
"Always forget" and "Always busy" are horrible excuses not to go, Slippi. I expect to see you there next year.

 

[Slippi84]

Yeah no spray you better be high compression or your just making a fancy grocery getter.

Yeah i'll be there next year. I'm gonna try and bring two cars too make up for not having made it out there yet

 

[cs82685]

I gotta make it out to the shootout next year I keep tellin myself to go but always forget when it is and I'm always busy. That and I'm a 6'2 black guy being that close to redneck country might increase my chances of DWB's

I really want to go next year, slippi if you want to head out together it may decrease your chances of DWB's I'm about as white as you can get . Seriously though, I think I'm going to start a thread here very shortly and see if there's any NJ guys who would be serious about going. It looks like too much fun for me to want to pass up again

 

[Slippi84]

Yeah I"m def down for that. It's just so far but I HAVE to go next year like you said looks like too much fun. We gotta get everyone to meet up and roll up together. Maybe rent out some huge trailer throw the cars on I know carver and them would go.

 

[bullettdsm]

I'd go with 12:1CR on a DD, if I had a good tune and kept good fuel in it. It would be better .

I'm kinda at the point that I agree with this. I've run 10.5 comp on the road with no problems what so ever. With the inability to find knock while on the dyno (with the NA), I'm leaning toward 12.1 being streetable with 93 octane.

I agree with you though, Slippi, Crower 3's may be a bit intolerable on the steet. Increasing the LSA on the Crower 3's will improve idle and low end, but how streetable you could get them would be pure speculation. It would likely be best to go with Crower 2's with gears and a good dial-in if you will see much street time.

Hands down would not use the "Crower 3/4 Race" on the streets. Yeah you could dial them in better than I have for idle and low end, but I can't see it being enough. Crower 2's is all that you would need.

No need for 3" exhaust. I gained .3 on the dyno going from 2.5" to 3". No need for it NA. Oh I even put about 8k on my other car while I was prepping her for turbo. Doggy dog low end power, but I also had 1mm oversize valves with that goofy-ass OBX intake on there.

Slippi, I expect to see you and Corey at the SO next year.

MB

 

[Slippi84]

I think you got your wires crosses mark

64462-2 Stage 2 - 3/4 Race
Most popular profile for the street/strip.
Lope at idle.
#84176 required.
RPM Range: 2000 to 7500+

For the 420a 3/4 race is stage 2 cams. We both know crower cams and I are too familiar after everything I been threw with this dam car and cams. I had the same feeling about this setup that low end would be a dog and have descent top end considering it's a NA. Good thing I don't have LTH or any of that like you my car would have turbo lag without a turbo

Oh yeah and Carver and Corey are two different people. Carver's name on here is 1fastlaser.

 

[bullettdsm]

I think you got your wires crosses mark

64462-2 Stage 2 - 3/4 Race
Most popular profile for the street/strip.
Lope at idle.
#84176 required.
RPM Range: 2000 to 7500+

For the 420a 3/4 race is stage 2 cams.

Yeah, I shouldn't have written it that way. I meant to say that some call them the stage 3 and some listed them as stage 4. 64463-2 specs: In: duration 258 and lift 446 Ex: duration 254 and 438 lift. They are the most agressive they make.

Oh yeah and Carver and Corey are two different people. Carver's name on here is 1fastlaser.

Not to worry, Corey knows who I'm yelling at

MB

 

[Slippi84]

Oh i thought you were correcting me thinking I meant corey my bad. Well in that case continue the ear raping so he'll be down for next year .

By the way I don't think I have ever heard your that clear in any videos before. That thing is dumb loud . IS that your intake there on the front bumper?

 

[cs82685]

he's yelling at me

 

[bullettdsm]

By the way I don't think I have ever heard your that clear in any videos before. That thing is dumb loud . IS that your intake there on the front bumper?

Yeah, she makes some noise . BUT, I do have a muffler on there so I can run wednesday nights, .

Yeah the hole is for my experimental intake set-up. It has added a definite 1mph to my traps. But I really wanted to put a velocity stack type entrance on the end. Could only get a cone style. Work in progress.

MB

 

[Locke]

By the way I don't think I have ever heard your that clear in any videos before.

You're welcome.

Should have been there to hear it in person.

 

[Slippi84]

Keep rubbin it in . It's ok I will DEF be there next year with the NJ coalition

 

[SurrealDSM]

YEah I guess you could get away with 12:1 on the steets but the little bit gained by the higher compression makes spraying a little too risky in my opinion.

I gotta make it out to the shootout next year I keep tellin myself to go but always forget when it is and I'm always busy. That and I'm a 6'2 black guy being that close to redneck country might increase my chances of DWB's

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so since 12:1 is a horrible compression to run with spray how would a 10:5:1 be if spray would be in the picture?

 

[rstare]

10.5:1, not 10:5:1.
You should be fine with 10.5:1

Edit: Slippi didnt say it was horrible, he just said he thinks its getting to risky

 

[Slippi84]

Yes it's 10.5:1 I type to fast for my own good and yeah you CAN run 12:1 on the street with nitrous it just wouldn't be very fun and it would need to run on race gas while spraying and def need standalone to tune.

 

[SurrealDSM]

oh okay cool. sorry i'm still in my research process because i was gonna go for 10.5:1 for my compression but my red flag went up when i read that. so high compression is okay then thanks for clarifying that... and slippi were you still gonna run that nitrous set up or where you gonna go the turbo route after all?