Exhaust Question !? Flowmaster?

[snowmansdsm09]

97' Eclipse Turbo 2.0

3'' piping from Turbo - w/ NO cat and thermal exhaust & racing downpipe

I want the car to sound as close to 350z/G35

my question is - - -

Would a Flowmaster 50 Series sound pretty quiet on my car?
if not... what would?

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

Flowmaster....u mean, CHOKEMASTER? :laugh: Just listen to those on some v8 cars and trucks...clearly you dont want one, the engine sounds horrible at higher rpms with one of those...Something about baffles, chambers, and stuff doenst really appeal to me...

 

[a_scobel]

Yes, like mentioned before, go with Magnaflow...not Flowmaster. Flowmasters aren't a good idea on turbo cars.

 

[fr33b1rth]

haha ok... well i wont be gettin a flowmaster then !

i want just the muffler like a flowmaster so i can get 2 stock looking tips welded on there

what about those magnaflows that have the dual tips on there?
arent they straight thru?

you can get a magnaflow SS Canister muffler that is straight through w/ whatever size in/out that you want, and mount it farther up in the exhaust, then have whatever tips you want on it.

 

[FireyIce01]

Flowmaster....u mean, CHOKEMASTER? :laugh: Just listen to those on some v8 cars and trucks...clearly you dont want one, the engine sounds horrible at higher rpms with one of those...Something about baffles, chambers, and stuff doenst really appeal to me...

*shrugs* on a V8 they actually increase torque over no muffler at all... though on a NA V8 application I would get a set of warlocks and bolt an electric cutout in place of the 3 wingnuts and cutout plate.

An a turbo, look for a turbo muffler... if you're cheap, stop by a kragen/auto zone type place and see if they have cherry bomb glass packs... those may actually do an okay job (anybody ever try one on a turbo?) though they're loud as hell on a V8 app.

 

[Gatosport]

i have a flowmaster. sounds alittle loud rice , the truth i dont like it .it doesnt flow very well. :thumbdown. now im looking for a gst exhaust

 

[ISUJakey]

Flowmaster....u mean, CHOKEMASTER? :laugh: Just listen to those on some v8 cars and trucks...clearly you dont want one, the engine sounds horrible at higher rpms with one of those...Something about baffles, chambers, and stuff doenst really appeal to me...

You are quite entertaining, really, you are.

Anyways, check out this thread guys: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106018&highlight=Flowmaster

....where I wrote this to address those of you who are bashing Flowmaster and don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about:

I am going to take a minute here and stick up for the crew out at Flowmaster, particularily for the R&D Department. For those of you that don't know, one of the main men over in the R&D Department is a man by the name is Kevin McClelland. Kevin's father has done much of the announcing for NHRA events over the years, so you may recognize the name. After working with Kevin on a custom exhaust system for a project here at school, he is one of the most knowledgeable men, if not the most knowledgeable man I have ever talked to when it comes to exhaust and engines as a whole. From what I have been told, he also one of the most knowledgable men in the country when it comes to overall engine building, which I have no trouble believing. When you guys sit here and downplay Flowmaster, are the mufflers that you are downplaying specifically made for a 4 cylinder forced induction vehicle, particularily a DSM? As I browse through the Flowmaster website I do not come upon and muffler or exhaust system specifically made for a 4G63T. Now I'm sure some of you are thinking, "bla bla bla," I know that Flowmaster mufflers will never work worth a sh*t on turbo DSMs because they're some 'specific type', I don't care. When the day comes that I need to compile/build an exhaust system, Flowmaster will be the first company I call up for consultation in a muffler. If they can't help me, I will move onto other options out there, but I sure as hell am not going to downplay Flowmaster simply because somebody stuck a generic Flowmaster muffler on a 4G63T and it did not work as optimally as desired.

 

[jbranne]

An a turbo, look for a turbo muffler... if you're cheap, stop by a kragen/auto zone type place and see if they have cherry bomb glass packs... those may actually do an okay job (anybody ever try one on a turbo?) though they're loud as hell on a V8 app.

A "turbo" muffler seems to be a marketing term more than anything else. What makes a muffler a turbo muffler?

The glasspack is about the worst muffler you can have, some stock mufflers being the only exceptions. On top of that, they sound like shit. It's a very restrictive design.

 

[Acezwild88]

ive got a flowmaster i guess reading this it might not be the best performance wise but i love the sound of it i guess im moron or somethen i love how it looks and sounds but do what you want but i love mine

 

[FireyIce01]

A "turbo" muffler seems to be a marketing term more than anything else. What makes a muffler a turbo muffler?

The glasspack is about the worst muffler you can have, some stock mufflers being the only exceptions. On top of that, they sound like shit. It's a very restrictive design.

What I meant by "turbo" muffler was a muffler designed for a turbo car, eg. no baffles, no backpressure, etc... glasspack's are cheap as hell, but they are a straight through design... I know they're not great, but I don't see how you can call it a restrictive design when you can look straight through the things...

 

[jbranne]

What I meant by "turbo" muffler was a muffler designed for a turbo car, eg. no baffles, no backpressure, etc... glasspack's are cheap as hell, but they are a straight through design... I know they're not great, but I don't see how you can call it a restrictive design when you can look straight through the things...

Galsspacks will typically neck down first off. Even though the inlet/outlet is say, 2.5", the ID inside the muffler might be 2".

Also, all of those stamped louvers create a ton of turbulence, which is bad.

That's why glasspacks suck.

 

[Acezwild88]

talk with my dad some about this and the corvette people where going through something like this they where arguning about exhausts and finally a guy with a dyno did dyno runs with different muffalers and in the end they all had about the same numbers all that really made a difference was the piping size i know that its a different car but i figured that id tell you about it.

 

[jbranne]

talk with my dad some about this and the corvette people where going through something like this they where arguning about exhausts and finally a guy with a dyno did dyno runs with different muffalers and in the end they all had about the same numbers all that really made a difference was the piping size i know that its a different car but i figured that id tell you about it.

Well, every car magazine has probably done muffler comparos in the past 4 or 5 years. probably wouldn't be that hard to look up.

Typically, Flowmaster and Borla come out on top as making the most power, with other trailing by different amounts.

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

You are quite entertaining, really, you are.
(takes a bow)
Anyways, check out this thread guys: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106018&highlight=Flowmaster

....where I wrote this to address those of you who are bashing Flowmaster and don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about:

I do have a f*cking clue, I may not have talked to an R&D rep...but i do have a f*ckin clue Too bad that i've talked to people who LOST...(had reduced engine OUTPUT) because of Flowmaster. It was on a Vette, i dont know specefics either...he said he noticed the loss, hhmmm...must be signifigant...Is Flowmaster used in different racing events and things like that? Please :laugh: by all means let me know where so that i will stand corrected

 

[FireyIce01]

I do have a f*cking clue, I may not have talked to an R&D rep...but i do have a f*ckin clue Too bad that i've talked to people who LOST...(had reduced engine OUTPUT) because of Flowmaster. It was on a Vette, i dont know specefics either...he said he noticed the loss, hhmmm...must be signifigant...Is Flowmaster used in different racing events and things like that? Please :laugh: by all means let me know where so that i will stand corrected

Lost power compared to what? Of course they're going to lower your topend compared to an open no restriction system like a set of headers with turndowns on the ends, but you probably won't notice the increased torque at lower RPM's with the muffler either... go check out hotrod, popular hot rodding... etc... online... look at the muffler comparison articles with factual dynosheets... it'll give you an idea... Also, where's your factual evidence... he says he noticed a loss... does he have any dynosheets, timeslips... anything to prove that beyond the butt dyno, cause sometimes you think you're feeling more/less power when you're not really... without hard data it's hard to argue for OR against anything.

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

Lost power compared to what? Of course they're going to lower your topend compared to an open no restriction system like a set of headers with turndowns on the ends, but you probably won't notice the increased torque at lower RPM's with the muffler either... go check out hotrod, popular hot rodding... etc... online... look at the muffler comparison articles with factual dynosheets... it'll give you an idea... Also, where's your factual evidence... he says he noticed a loss... does he have any dynosheets, timeslips... anything to prove that beyond the butt dyno, cause sometimes you think you're feeling more/less power when you're not really... without hard data it's hard to argue for OR against anything.

Sorry bro..no dyno sheets or anything. I just lie to kick it, you know, POSING, that sort of stuff He said he lost power over the stock exhaust. And you yourself, just said that it wont help increase power. Im finished debating with you guys on FlowRookie mufflers. I havent ever heard anybody who has a Flowmaster that was thrilled about power gains, if any..

 

[FireyIce01]

Sorry bro..no dyno sheets or anything. I just lie to kick it, you know, POSING, that sort of stuff He said he lost power over the stock exhaust. And you yourself, just said that it wont help increase power. Im finished debating with you guys on FlowRookie mufflers. I havent ever heard anybody who has a Flowmaster that was thrilled about power gains, if any..

yea, they don't make topend power, but I've seen dynosheets that show increased bottom end torque... and I said nothing about you lying, but you said that he said he could feel the loss of power, and unfortunately the butt dyno isn't the most accurate thing in the world... and now we're getting into the you said that he said and it really is a useless argument... bottom line, flowmasters aren't as crappy as some would have you believe, they've been tuned to make torque and sound good on naturally aspirated cars...

 

[jbranne]

I do have a f*cking clue, I may not have talked to an R&D rep...but i do have a f*ckin clue Too bad that i've talked to people who LOST...(had reduced engine OUTPUT) because of Flowmaster. It was on a Vette, i dont know specefics either...he said he noticed the loss, hhmmm...must be signifigant...Is Flowmaster used in different racing events and things like that? Please :laugh: by all means let me know where so that i will stand corrected

They are used in all sorts of classes where drag cars are required to run some type of muffler. At those events, flowmaster and borla is about all you'll see bolted to those cars.

And I agree with the other comments in this thread. The butt dyno is worthless. Too many variables to account for. Without dyno results or timeslips (and even timeslips can be somewhat suspect due to weather conditions, etc.), you just really can't tell.

 

[snowmansdsm09]

maybe ill just keep my turbo back thermal....?!

 

[93talontsiat]

Sorry to bring back a somewhat dead post but i figured it was better than starting a new one on basically the same topic:

Do either Magnaflow or Borla make a complete system/catback for 1st gen Awd's? I found that Borla makes one for 2nd gens but not for first.

 

[Gs Dewd]

You are quite entertaining, really, you are.

Anyways, check out this thread guys: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106018&highlight=Flowmaster

....where I wrote this to address those of you who are bashing Flowmaster and don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about:

Actually Flowmaster does make a exhaust system for the 1g turbo. 90 and 91 cars. Part # 17333. So they have done testing with there mufflers and turbo cars. It's a 40 seris muffler with 2 3" tail pipes for $302.

 

[AlumRodLaser]

Before you spend money on a Flowmaster, I suggest going over to any of the Mustang forums and reading what people have to say about Flowmaster mufflers on forced induction cars, or even NA cars for that matter.

 

[WMD]

What about Borla? they make a straight through, glasspack, oval shape muffler. And its stainless too.

Edit: just an example http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Borl...ewItemQQcategoryZ33636QQitemZ8040507233QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Borl...046123556QQcategoryZ33636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[TheRealist]

Want a nice 'CLEAN" deep sound i would recomend the Tanabe Hyper Madelion series exuast.

 

[Trucloner11]

You dont see many DSM's with Flowmaster exhausts..