evo 16 out flows big/small16/18gauge/t28/big28/fp2544...

[14.5 drift]

has same or better response and costs a fraction of the costs? Is all/any of this accurate? Been doing alotta research but just looking for some confirmations. Thanks

 

[14.5 drift]

any confermations? Or denials? I think I have read the flow rates some place, (can't find it any more damn it) and it appeared that the twin scroll was able to flow 44lbs, the fp was also at like 44lbs, the big was at like 34 or 38 ( I can't remember) and the 16's were right in there some where. I went on the the dsm times list of all wheel drives and took a toll of wich turbo was most commonly used to run with in a certain time bracket for the all wheel drives. I think I looked from between like 12.7 and it might have been 11.3. Some thing like that, any way the results were surprising

34 used the big 16 gauge
33 used the small 16 gauge
18 used some form of t3/t4variety; more common in the 11 sec range
17used the 14 gauge off of the 1gens
17 used either a fp red or green; more common in the lower 11's
7 used a frank III or some thing not familiar
and 3 used a 16 gauge killer

there are a few that were left out and the numbers may very I was countin pretty fast but, shocked to see the results of my findings. No real note of the evo 16 gauge in there any where though. I can only assume that it should be capable of equally impressive figure if not better, although I dont see how. I have been following vishnu and their work with the new evo's and they through that turbo out after about 280 awhp in exchange for a t3/t4 variation. They do pull some nice times in the 11 second range, but the more I am learning, I am learning my 4g63 is far from an evo motor, and the output will be far less than what the evo is capable of.

 

[coltboostin]

WHoa! Clam down buddy
Your getting things confused, lets get something straight
EVOIII is the turbo people are starting to run on their DSM
the TWIN SCROLL Evo turbo is on the Evo VIII (8) and WILL NOT bolt on to a DSM, so do not speak of them in the same text.
1)I dont think the EVO III turbos are on the list because thay only became widly popular
2) Just because some Crazy #### took the Twin Scroll off their evo doesnt mean it is a bad turbo, turck repair guys throw away 20 and 25g turbos every day im sure. Are they bad turbos?

Buschur and others are running mid 11's on THE STOCK TURBO on the new evo's, so I dont know abotu you, but I would say that is a decent turbo!

ANy other think that need clarification?!

 

[14.5 drift]

I am not talking about the evo III turbo, I be talkin bout the evo VIII twin scroll. I actually didn't know wich evo it came from so i guess now I do. And about throwing turbo chargers away, or selling them when their done I guess if you want more power that's how it's done. Dont shoot the messenger.

 

[nine5raptor]

The Evo3 16g is the turbo you are seeing for sale all over the place.

The Evo8 turbo will not work on dsms.

 

[14.5 drift]

I see.


So what seperates the evo III turbo from other 16 g's?

And why the hell was I under the impression it was twin scroll that people were putting on? Gaw damn it.

Then it is down to my second and third choices.

The fp2544, and the ball bearing t3/t04e

The t3/t04e is the turbo that vishnu, and ultimate racing use in place of the twin scroll. I can't find specific ar/trim for it because they probly customize per customer.

 

[nine5raptor]

Some info on the Evo16g:
http://www.slowboyracing.com/Mitsubishi Turbos/EVO 16g/EVO16g.html

 

[Groomz]

The reason the Evo III is so hot is that it has flowed 44lbs/min and pulled ShapeGSX's fat 2G ( sorry Shape ) to a 12.5 at 118mph. That's alot of turbo for the money. And his car is around 3300lbs with driver, so its no lite weight either.

Evo III 16G

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

I think the best turbo for the money is a T3/TO4E in the non ball bearing flavor. The EVO 16g is very nice but kinda small.

 

[nanokpsi]

Shape's car is an excetion rather than the rule. He is exceeding the flow rating on the turbo. He also was running about 26psi at the time in low temps to get that kind of flow. There is alos not much airflow left in it. Had that been a 50 trim at those boost levels/that temp he would(probably) be flowing around 48 lb/min. There is his 120 trap.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

more then 48. 48 is on the outside edge of the 50 trims effciency island...44 lb's is almost in another country on a 16g map.

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by Groomz
The reason the Evo III is so hot is that it has flowed 44lbs/min and pulled ShapeGSX's fat 2G ( sorry Shape ) to a 12.5 at 118mph. That's alot of turbo for the money. And his car is around 3300lbs with driver, so its no lite weight either.

Evo III 16G

Big deal. The FPT28 went 11.8 @ 119 mph on Loren's Full weight 2G car back in the day, and has belted out 400 crank on DG's stock internaled Autocross car. Does that make it a better or worse turbo?

 

[crankbender]

Neither....just a better setup/tuner

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by crankbender
Neither....just a better setup/tuner

That was the point I was trying to get across. Pretty much any decent turbo will pump out the results if you have the skills.

 

[crankbender]

Yes and no. all turbos have a range that can be pushed a little by a good tuner.

Like it or not a T25 ain't gonna push that cummings....

 

[Groomz]

Originally posted by cait sith
That was the point I was trying to get across. Pretty much any decent turbo will pump out the results if you have the skills.

I never posted that Shape's flow numbers were the standard. That's just what one Evo III has done. Don't get too hot and bothered. Everyone go out and buy a 50 trim. How's that?

 

[14.5 drift]

that trap speed is not really on par with the other times posted. The guys that were trapping 118-120 were running 11's. What gives? http://www.dsmtimes.org/

 

[Copper GsX]

ok so for the 2g guys which turbo would you prefer: the evo III 16g and have to buy that installation kit with it or a t28 that would bolt right up to the 2g? for the 1g's there is no question that the evo III is the way to go but what about the 2g guys that need this friggin kit to put the evo turbo on their car. which one do yous think would be better?

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

T28

 

[Groomz]

Originally posted by Copper GsX
ok so for the 2g guys which turbo would you prefer: the evo III 16g and have to buy that installation kit with it or a t28 that would bolt right up to the 2g? for the 1g's there is no question that the evo III is the way to go but what about the 2g guys that need this friggin kit to put the evo turbo on their car. which one do yous think would be better?

Evo III 16G ported - 620$ from SBR
Install kit - 200$ from Turbochargers.com

T28 - 800$

With the Evo setup you get a new oil feed and return line, which you don't get with the T28. You can install the Evo on a 2G for even cheaper if you are creative. If you are really uncreative you could go out and slap a 50 trim on a stock vehicle because bigger is always better. Get the Evo, it will be easier to make more power. Here is another exception, this one being for the FP B28:

http://www.wincom.net/trog/wastegate_actuator.html

Remember, its an exception.

 

[14.5 drift]

Originally posted by ItsStockOfficer
T28

wich one flows more, t28, fpbig 28, or that other 28 built by that one shop wich competes with fp. Also are there ano other direct bolt on turbo's out there that out flow either of these?


sorry groomz you got to it before I did.

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by Groomz


Remember, its an exception.

How is that an exception? It's called PROPER TUNING.

Christ. I swear 90% of turbo DSM owners couldn't tune their way out of a paper bag with all the tools in the world.

 

[14.5 drift]

Originally posted by cait sith
How is that an exception? It's called PROPER TUNING.

Christ. I swear 90% of turbo DSM owners couldn't tune their way out of a paper bag with all the tools in the world.

Wtf is tuning so hard? Correct your fuel, adjust your timing and badabing, your all done. You are only limited to your equipment I mean for crying out loud your dsmlink comes with directions. Your super afc comes with directions and has like 2 bottons on the hole freakin unit. With every thing working perfectly (no leaks, no squeaks etc.) You can tune like 30 hp give or take, unless your car is running like 19367 timing what the hell else can you do?

 

[leet]

Tuning is more intricate that just pushing buttons, 14.5 Drift.

 

[nanokpsi]

Originally posted by Groomz
Evo III 16G ported - 620$ from SBR
Install kit - 200$ from Turbochargers.com

T28 - 800$

With the Evo setup you get a new oil feed and return line, which you don't get with the T28. You can install the Evo on a 2G for even cheaper if you are creative. If you are really uncreative you could go out and slap a 50 trim on a stock vehicle because bigger is always better. Get the Evo, it will be easier to make more power. Here is another exception, this one being for the FP B28:

http://www.wincom.net/trog/wastegate_actuator.html

Remember, its an exception.

Don't forget to add the 34mm flapper mod to the evo III, along with a clip if you want to get the most out of it. IMO you won't be able to tell a difference between any of the 16gs or a big t28 untill you are appraoching the max for any of these turbos.