ETS Race, Dejon Short Route, or VRSF FMIC?

[kimcheefists]

I've been looking at FMIC's and wanted to know what modifications had to be done and how well each of these kits fit. Pictures would be nice. Thanks.

 

[burkgonzo]

I hear vr speed fmic kits bolt right up.

 

[jeff24680]

I hear vr speed fmic kits bolt right up.

+1

Couldnt be happier.

 

[MaNGiNa24]

Let me know if I can help with any questions

 

[2gawdtsi]

+1 vrsf.
got mine, very happy with it, no problems during installation,
short route, and one of the cheapest out there.

 

[velocitysport31]

If you want high quaility go with ETS Bought my race kit and never looked back

 

[kimcheefists]

Do you need to relocate the overflow tank for the coolant when installing the VRSF kit?

 

[MaNGiNa24]

Do you need to relocate the overflow tank for the coolant when installing the VRSF kit?

Yes sir, you'll have to with any short route kit due to the piping's routing.

 

[kimcheefists]

Last question. Can you keep the fogs with this kit?

 

[MaNGiNa24]

Last question. Can you keep the fogs with this kit?

You can if you mount the kit about .5" to 1" lower and make a custom bracket for the fogs. I've seen folks mount the kit the normal height and use fogs but I prefer to mount it a bit lower to give myself a little more room for the driver side fog light.

To be honest I don't think you can keep your fogs with any FMIC this large that's short route without some modification.

 

[kimcheefists]

Got it thanks. I'll probably be getting this kit within the next couple months.

 

[ceedawg]

ETS, AMS,and Buscher have big followings!

 

[BoostFrenzy]

If you want high quality go with ETS Bought my race kit and never looked back

What this guy said. Got my ETS ultra race and could not be happier. I've beaten on my car repeatedly and the whole turbo assembly will be glowing, but the cold side of the intercooler is still cold to the touch. Especially if you try touching the hotside . Plus, if you REALLY need it and ask nicely, they can do a Garrett core which will cool down much better with less pressure drop. But it severely restricts air to the radiator so it's a track car only kinda deal.

 

[spartan69x]

i like my dejon kit, but you need to get slim fans and relocate the coolant and emissions canister, well i had to unbolt one bolt and angle it and tighten down one bolt and leave one out so all is good. check my profile for pics.
or this post for the install, and you DO have to trim the radiator support to fit the pipe through.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/365456-pics-newbies-cars.html
i also cheated and just cut the power steering loop and attached a rubber line underneath the core, and used extra brackets to hold it up with double clamps on the end of the hose.

 

[BoostFrenzy]

i like my dejon kit, but you need to get slim fans and relocate the coolant and emissions canister, well i had to unbolt one bolt and angle it and tighten down one bolt and leave one out so all is good. check my profile for pics.
or this post for the install, and you DO have to trim the radiator support to fit the pipe through.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/365456-pics-newbies-cars.html
i also cheated and just cut the power steering loop and attached a rubber line underneath the core, and used extra brackets to hold it up with double clamps on the end of the hose.

I didn't need a slim fan ? Coolant bottle goes into the passenger side wheel well. I did the same thing with the charcoal canister. Undo one bolt and loosen another. Then as you tighten it, it bends itself out of the way.

The power steering is much more simple then most believe. I did as Greddy says to do and just unbolt the piece on the chassis and bend the loop under and behind. Then to keep it from rattling, split open a vac hose and place it over the part of the loop that contacts the chassis. Put the bolt back, and it's all ready for the FMIC.

 

[proteusx301]

I have the ETS 7 inch core FMIC kit and couldn't be happier with it. Easy install, kept the fogs, ability to order and change pipes separately. Very little trimming required.

 

[spartan69x]

I didn't need a slim fan ? Coolant bottle goes into the passenger side wheel well. I did the same thing with the charcoal canister. Undo one bolt and loosen another. Then as you tighten it, it bends itself out of the way.

The power steering is much more simple then most believe. I did as Greddy says to do and just unbolt the piece on the chassis and bend the loop under and behind. Then to keep it from rattling, split open a vac hose and place it over the part of the loop that contacts the chassis. Put the bolt back, and it's all ready for the FMIC.

well i had to angle my canister, and there was no way around it, but yeah with mine i have to get a slim fan ### the core is sitting sideways and it looks kinda bad, but the stock fan won't let the C pipe rotate up enough to make it fit right . going to fix it soon enough.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

okay i gotta bring this back from the dead. will the VRSF piping work with the ETS short route core? curious because i wanna get rid of this VRSF core for the ultra short route race fmic. i know they mount differently but the piping should end up in the same spot? i would guess i would just need a U coupler? id make my own piping but having a Tig is nothing without a pipe bender

 

[MaNGiNa24]

What are your power goals? ET goals? We have cars running sub 9 second ET's with our core on the DSM platform. Do you plan on going for a lower ET or are you just assuming it's going to be a better option because it's ETS?

 

[ChunkyLover53]

Do the demands for intercooler performance change at all for someone with road race goals? I have seen many companies talk about how much horsepower and 1/4 mile times people have achieved with their cores but do the requirements change if someone were to drive the car hard for an extended period of time?

 

[damnslowtsi]

The main thing you should be concerned IMO is keeping the coolant temps at bay on a roadcourse. This may be a reason for you to omit a Garrett core (or kits using it) from your selection as it is known to restrict airflow to the radiator more than other brands of cores out there. The rest is pretty much the same: The less heat soak a core has and the lower the IAT the better the result.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

Im going to jump in here because I would like to see this become more technical. I understand there needs to be competition in the parts world but here is my take. I have zero experience with VRSF or Buschur so I will not slander them in any way. I have had ETS setups on both my VR4 build and my current 1g build. The quality of both cores and piping is second to none. They CONSTANTLY strive to improve upon there products which is refreshing to see. I have been in this industry/scene for a little while now and havent seen too many companies put forth the R&D that ETS does.
I also had an AMS intercooler on my VR4 but due to its poor endtank design it was quickly swapped out for the ETS unit.

Link to awesome info about intercooler setups and core design:
ECMTuning User Support Forums

Also, lets not forget that when ETS redesigned their 10" race core for the 1g they managed to net an additional 50whp from swapping coolers.
They work closely with Lucas and the rest of the crew at English Racing putting their product to the test.

Regards,
Cullen