DSM or EVO motor

[mobius0034]

ok guys I am looking to build a car that can utilize a few different motors. I want to use a 4g63. question is which... only looking for 400-500 rwhp. is there that much more aftermarket support for the EVO platform that it would be worth the extra money of the evo motor and tranny to go that route? or should i just stick to the dsm stuff?
what do you guys think?

 

[e85_4g63]

What car is this going in. How do you plan on doing a RWD setup with an EVO motor/trans that is only available in an AWD configuration. This project sounds like a fail already. (no offense).

 

[mobius0034]

its going in a super light car called the razor. I already talked to Bushur about modding tranny to FWD, he said no prob.
it goes in the back of the car so it is essentially RWD when done.

 

[ShadyGST]

Stick with the DSM version of the 4g63. It will be easier and cheaper to get parts for and mod.

If you do end up doing this, it sounds

 

[e85_4g63]

Ahh, well in that case, I apologize. I was under the impression you where doing a Mustang or something that came with a front engine/RWD setup from the factory. The EVO motor is more expensive, but honestly your better off with it.

 

[evileclipse909]

I disagree. Dsm motors have been pushed and prooven and are way cheaper than evo motors. And it would also be way cheaper to get a fwd dsm trans vs. Buying an evo tranny and having it modded. Just my $.02

 

[e85_4g63]

I disagree. Dsm motors have been pushed and prooven and are way cheaper than evo motors. And it would also be way cheaper to get a fwd dsm trans vs. Buying an evo tranny and having it modded. Just my $.02

Then you've obviously never owned a 500fwhp DSM. The FWD transmissions are like glass. Something as stupid as popping out of gear under a full boost pull will destroy the gearbox. Using an AWD trans, like OP mentioned, is the only way to have a powerful FWD (or RWD in this case) setup that has any kind of longevity. I'm not saying a FWD trans won't work, what I am saying is your dealing with a ticking time bomb using the FWD trans with over 450hp.

 

[constant_proj21]

Then you've obviously never owned a 500fwhp DSM. The FWD transmissions are like glass. Something as stupid as popping out of gear under a full boost pull will destroy the gearbox. Using an AWD trans, like OP mentioned, is the only way to have a powerful FWD (or RWD in this case) setup that has any kind of longevity. I'm not saying a FWD trans won't work, what I am saying is your dealing with a ticking time bomb using the FWD trans with over 450hp.

Have you ever owned an evo? Being in the business of car parts, I can assure you, that you can prob buy 5 FWD dsm transmissions, for one stock evo trans. Engine parts would be considerably cheaper as well. A built FWD trans can be just as strong, possibly stronger, and most likely cheaper than a modified Evo trans. If the car is light enough, I wouldn't worry about needing to make 500. 400 will be a handful as it is. I'm sure Mr.Peepers and company will chime in, he did a mid/rear 4G63 car last year.

 

[mobius0034]

Yea i think he did the same car. weight will be just under 1500lbs so yeah 400 rwhp will be a handful. probably wont need anymore but....
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[yhype]

Dont those have a longitudinal engine setup or do they have enough room between the chasis rail to fit a transverse engine trans setup.

 

[thomcasey]

Get Shep or Jacks to rebuild that FWD tranny with their goodies, and it will hold up fine.

 

[mobius0034]

Get Shep or Jacks to rebuild that FWD tranny with their goodies, and it will hold up fine.

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Already talked to shep about converting a and Evo tranny. Think I am going evo

 

[BigKnick]

I've been wanting to build something like this/ariel atom for a little while but from the ground up, a bad ass boosted go-kart pretty much. I wish you the best of luck and let us know how it works out for you!

 

[H@xtGSX]

If you build up a 500hp 4g63t motor that you can get to spool up quickly, that is Ariel Atom 500 SE territory... 3lbs per horse. Geared right, it could possibly hit that fabled 2.8 second 0-60 time the Atom did. That is blindingly fast. I had a 1200cc stripped down Suzuki Bandit (without that stupid faring) that was 398lbs with a tank of gas, plus my weight, that had 134 hp at the wheel, and it couldn't get to 60mph that fast... And it was scary quick off the line. That has to be one hell of a rush to launch a car like that.

 

[richard33]

Then you've obviously never owned a 500fwhp DSM. The FWD transmissions are like glass. Something as stupid as popping out of gear under a full boost pull will destroy the gearbox. Using an AWD trans, like OP mentioned, is the only way to have a powerful FWD (or RWD in this case) setup that has any kind of longevity. I'm not saying a FWD trans won't work, what I am saying is your dealing with a ticking time bomb using the FWD trans with over 450hp.

You must of had a bad experience with a FWD tranny but I was making near 700fwhp through a bone stock one with no problems. Ive made probably 50+ passes at the track and countless pulls on the street with the stock tranny with 550-650whp and never broke anything in the tranny or stock axles for that matter. When I had it checked out it was still in pretty good shape for having over 200,000 miles on it.

As for the OP question, the dsm motor will be just fine for your project. There's no need to spend more money on the evo block when so many people are making 400-500whp with the dsm without problems. You can but together an eagle/wiesco motor for a few thousand and have a short block ready to handle whatever you're planning on throwing at it without having to worry.

 

[ed1380]

I would just get a gsx transmission and run a viscous coupler eliminator. No need to send it to a shop

 

[jtmcinder]

A 4B11 only weighs 27# less than a 4G63. Is it the fancier MIVEK that you're after?

Warning: if you do go with a 4B11, make sure that it has the brand-new version of the timing chain. The older timing chain stretches.

 

[WES_393]

From my findings, the 4g63 engine block from the Evo is nearly identical to that from a DSM. The only ignificant differences iare the head, stronger factory rods/pistons, and a different bell housing bolt pattern. If you built an Evo engine with aftermarket internals and put a DSM head on it, it would basically be a DSM engine. Sure, there are Evo specific parts, but nothing you couldn't find for a DSM as well.

What I'm trying to say is the Evo engine has no significant benefits over the DSM engine. Especially if your custom building one for a RWD drag car.