Door Locks [Merged 9-6]

[94greentsi]

I have found a few answers on the forums, but my problem seems a little different, so here it is.

My alarm has been in valet mode for the last 2 months, because I didn't not understand the whole valet mode thing. I have it back to normal operating mode now, but I had a new problem arise with my door locks even before I fixed my alarm issue. I am just stating this so you know that I don't think that the alarm is the cause of my problems. A couple days ago I noticed that when I pressed the two buttons on my alarm/door unlock remote to lock the car after I finished driving it, a second or two later, the doors would unlock by themselves WTF

It seems that sometimes the doors unlock by themselves after I lock them (either by pressing the lock over manually but still with the door lock fuse in, or by using my remote door lock buttons) and sometimes the door locks work perfectly fine, and they stay locked.
...I have even tried locking the doors when the car is off, and holding the door lock in the lock position, but the solenoid or some actuator just sits there and clicks away as it tries to unlock the doors. I don't want to wreck anything, so I just let my car sit unlocked

I don't mind spending the money on a new part(s) to fix this, but i just don't know what it is. Is it some relay or actuator or solenoid. It has to be something electrical that causes both door locks to act weird simultaneously. Could someone give their input, so I can get my doors fixed.

At present I have taken my fuse out, but now my alarm has gone all weird and wont work now, so I want to fix the real problem, so I can get the fuse back in, and have my alarm working.

Thanks guys and girls

forever

 

[Arod]

I have the same problem with my 92 eclipse, I have found that when just locking the drivers side also locks the passenger side, I would assume your is the same right? Well what I have found is that the passenger side when it tries to lock doesn't move fully into the lock position so its half way in between so then a few seconds later both sides will unlock. So for you before you get out of the car lock your drivers side and look at the passenger side I bet it will be half way between locked and unlock, then just reach over and lock it completely and it won't try to unlock.

So basically when I get out I just have to remember to reach over and lock the passenger side, which causes the drivers side to lock. I haven't looked into fixing this, its kind of a pain, so I can't tell you what parts are needed to fix the problem. I would assume it would need a new door lock solenoid/mechanism in the passenger side.

If you think about it it kindof makes sense that the passenger side would wear out like that.

 

[Dream On]

My car does the same thing. Its pretty annoying. I just lock the passenger side, then they stay locked, then put on my alarm. I'd like to know how to fix this as well.

 

[snyper1982]

Havent tried this in my eclipse, but I know in my taurus, if the car is off, and the key is in the ignition, if you oush the lock button it will automatically unlock itself to prevent people from locking their keys in the car. I't doesnt sound like that is your problem though. Maybe you just need to lubricate the locking mechanisms so they will both fully lock. I know in my car when I push the lock button I have to hold it for a second or my drivers side will not fully lock.

 

[DarkSeraph]

I have the same sort of problem. I'll turn the car off, lock the car, the driver's side locks, but the passenger side locks&unlocks. I haven't had a chance to pull apart the passenger side door to see if it's a mechanical problem yet. Anyone have any good advice for any of us?

 

[94greentsi]

I have the same problem with my 92 eclipse, I have found that when just locking the drivers side also locks the passenger side, I would assume your is the same right? Well what I have found is that the passenger side when it tries to lock doesn't move fully into the lock position so its half way in between so then a few seconds later both sides will unlock. So for you before you get out of the car lock your drivers side and look at the passenger side I bet it will be half way between locked and unlock, then just reach over and lock it completely and it won't try to unlock.

So basically when I get out I just have to remember to reach over and lock the passenger side, which causes the drivers side to lock. I haven't looked into fixing this, its kind of a pain, so I can't tell you what parts are needed to fix the problem. I would assume it would need a new door lock solenoid/mechanism in the passenger side.

If you think about it it kindof makes sense that the passenger side would wear out like that.

Well I agree with you in that these cars lock the passenger door when you lock the drivers side lock...but thats the way its designed. I am not worried about that. Yes, my passenger side lock is halfway just like yours, but its been like that since I bought the car, and I never had problems with my door locks before. If you read my first post more closely, you would see that I want to be able to lock and set my alarm with my remote, so locking the car manually and then trying to hold the passenger lock just doesnt seem advantages or the right solution to the problem at hand, although I will try your suggestion. I am still looking for an answer as to why my car unlocks itself. I think its the relay, and not just one component in one of the doors. The reason is, is that it makes sense it would be a component that controlled both the doors at the same time. Anyone else have some suggestions. You guys are my life line on this one. Theres not too many people around here that work on these cars, and my mechanic charges too much for a fix like this. I am going to go there on Monday and see what he has to say though, to get his opinion.

Any of you wisemen out there have any great ideas?

forever

 

[Dream On]

When I lock the passenger door, it stays locked. Then I can set my alarm and they stay locked. Does your do that as well?

 

[Defiant]

My alarm has been in valet mode for the last 2 months, because I didn't not understand the whole valet mode thing. I have it back to normal operating mode now, but I had a new problem arise with my door locks even before I fixed my alarm issue.

So you have some kind of aftermarket alarm system. Sorry, but all bets are off. No idea what brand, who installed it, or how they rigged the setup. Really nothing we can do about it from here.

 

[94greentsi]

So you have some kind of aftermarket alarm system. Sorry, but all bets are off. No idea what brand, who installed it, or how they rigged the setup. Really nothing we can do about it from here.

Ok hold on a minute. The alarm is working fine now. I have been able to take it off valet mode awhile back and its fine. This issue is has really nothing to do with the alarm though. I was just stating the fact that I had an issue with it, its fixed, and that the door locks were the big issue at hand. BTW if you really would like to know, and think that it will help with some diagnosis of the problem, my alarm is made by Clifford. Remember what I said here though:

It seems that sometimes the doors unlock by themselves after I lock them (either by pressing the lock over manually but still with the door lock fuse in, or by using my remote door lock buttons) and sometimes the door locks work perfectly fine, and they stay locked.

So if the issue with door locks still arises regardless of anything to do with the alarm system, then I assume that it has something to do with the locking mechanism itself.

Last night, while looking at my car and trying to deduce the situation with the locks, I put my door lock fuse back in the fuse box, to see if for some reason the problem would go away, but it hadnt. If I am in my car and I press my door lock on the drivers side and then reach over and push the passenger side lock completely over in the lock position (because it sits at halfway when you lock the doors for some reason), then it doesnt try to unlock itself anyomore. So with that being said I narrowed it down to the problem not being an electrical issue, but probably something to do with the selendoid in the passenger side not moving the lock over far enough. The fact that it doesnt mover over far enough tricks the selenoid or door lock mechanism inside the passenger door into thinking that it wants to unlock again. My friend thinks that I need to take apart the passenger door, and lubricate the locking mechanism, or check for any parts that are sticking which would probably cause the lock to not go completely in the lock position.

Arod stated it well here:

I have the same problem with my 92 eclipse, I have found that when just locking the drivers side also locks the passenger side, I would assume your is the same right? Well what I have found is that the passenger side when it tries to lock doesn't move fully into the lock position so its half way in between so then a few seconds later both sides will unlock. So for you before you get out of the car lock your drivers side and look at the passenger side I bet it will be half way between locked and unlock, then just reach over and lock it completely and it won't try to unlock.

So basically when I get out I just have to remember to reach over and lock the passenger side, which causes the drivers side to lock. I haven't looked into fixing this, its kind of a pain, so I can't tell you what parts are needed to fix the problem. I would assume it would need a new door lock solenoid/mechanism in the passenger side.

If you think about it it kindof makes sense that the passenger side would wear out like that.

What I dont understand about your reasoning Arod, is when you reach over and lock the passenger side, you get locked in your car...I tried it. So for now I have just left my door lock fuse out, and manually lock the doors.

I hope this description of my door locks problem can help someone to figure out my problem here. I am almost sure it is some sort of mechanism in the passenger door, but some guidance would be nice before I rip the door apart.

forever

 

[Ender]

I have noticed that my Talon does this when it is cold outside. Any other time and they seemed fine. Could it just be the weather, or do you guys have it happen all the time?

 

[Arod]

What I dont understand about your reasoning Arod, is when you reach over and lock the passenger side, you get locked in your car...I tried it.

forever

I don't get locked in my car!! I open the drivers side door so I can get out but before I actually get out I reach over and lock the passenger side

 

[Defiant]

Ok hold on a minute. The alarm is working fine now. I have been able to take it off valet mode awhile back and its fine. This issue is has really nothing to do with the alarm though.

So, the alarm has no remote-lock feature?

(because it sits at halfway when you lock the doors for some reason)

And still more clues leak out. Yes, your solenoid or its actuator rod is loose or mis-adjusted.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

"And still more clues leak out. Yes, your solenoid or its actuator rod is loose or mis-adjusted."

Defiant; can you elaborate on how to fix this? Mine acts the exact same way.

 

[94greentsi]

So, the alarm has no remote-lock feature?And still more clues leak out. Yes, your solenoid or its actuator rod is loose or mis-adjusted.

When I explained the issue with my door locks, and the alarm, I went over it many times to make sure that it was understandable. Why is it that it is so difficult to undersand what I am trying to say?

Anyways...it seams as if there are others with the problem of the door lock on the passenger side sticking at half way, and the solution is somewhere in the solenoid or actuator rod. I guess its just a matter of determining how to fix that and if anyone has before.

As far as the alarm goes (Defiant)...When my fuse for the door locks is removed, my alarm still works. I just have to manually lock the doors, get out of the car and press the two buttons simultaneously on my remote, then my alarm is set. When I put my fuse in my alarm works just the same, but I just have to do this now...

Quoted by Arod: I don't get locked in my car!! I open the drivers side door so I can get out but before I actually get out I reach over and lock the passenger side.

...thanks buddy, I should have thought of that

Does that clear things up for everyone?...Good. Now we are all on the same page

So how to fix the solenoid or actuator rod...

forever

 

[Arrow_Runner]

I had the same problem when I first got my Talon. How I fixed it was luck, good and bad.

ALL THREE of the lock cylinders on my car were eternally frozen when I bought it, and I didn't find out until the next when I was unable to unlock my car....

Long story short, after disconnecting and reconnecting the rods inside the door panels, the problem went away. I had actually forgotten about my car doing that until I read this post.

I would give that a try, there's about 3-5 screws holding the door panel in place, and then you have to lift it STRAIGHT up. They can be kind of a pain to get back on, just frustrating.

With the panels off you can see everything that moves when you lock the door, try to look for something that isn't moving all the way as it does on the other door.

I hope that helps. I know what it's like not to be able to lock your car.

 

[Lucky1]

Hey Guys
I bought a 95 TSI about 4 months ago. The power door locks have never worked. I can only lock and unlock the doors with the key. The power lock button does not work. I can see some movement with the locks, they seem like they don't have enough power to unlock or unlock. Has anybody had this problem, and what can I do to get the locks to work properly.
Thanks in advance
Lucky 1

 

[ddavisaf]

Your problem may be the lock motors being on the way out. Or a weak battery charge.

 

[Defiant]

Misalignment of the solenoids and/or their actuator rods. Remove the door trim panels and have at it.

 

[Scrubulum]

First try the search button . There are a lot of threads for this already.

The little motor in the actuators die. You can try to take them apart and clean them but it is hard to do without ruining something (in my opinion).

Some people have had luck with the linear actuator kits from ebay and what not but I tried them and they didn't have enough power.

They are relatively simple to replace. I replaced my driver side one with one I got from a junked newer car and it works great now. I just haven't pulled off my passenger side door panel yet (too lazy).

http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155437 - is one thread I found by searching real quick.

 

[Glliw]

Hey guys...I have a problem with my door locks. I went to lock my doors today but instead they wouldnt lock. They would flip to the locked position and then at the same moment flip back off. Anyone have a clue on the cause?

 

[fltblkteg]

no but my gsx does the same

 

[twack]

my 92 talon tsi does that to. but if i lcok it from the inside passenger side it will always stay. i think there is a mod to pull a fuse or kill the power and set it to only be manual but i never did it. i just lean over and lock the passenger side

 

[Glliw]

Hmmm it decided to fix itself. Eh if its not broken for long dont fix it

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Were you getting a cell phone call at the time? The two devices run on similar frequencies and the cell phone (which has the stronger of the two signals) often interferes with the locks.

I've seen it personally happen with a friend's car - it was actually pretty funny to witness.

 

[twack]

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sorry bud these dont have keyless entry just electric locks