Do all dsm's feel as though the shifter clicks before fully in gear?

[SRT This]

just out of curiousity, because i drove my friends 1g n/t talon and it didnt click at all...and it seems like it slowing my shifts down badly??any input?

 

[fhudsonjr]

I don't know what you mean by "clicks", but I have a 1g N/T and mine grinds between 1 & 2 upshifting or downshifting unless I hold the clutch in for a second or 2.

It also grinds if at a stop w/clutch out I put it in 1st right after I push in the clutch. If I wait a second after pushing in the clutch to shift into 1st it won't grind.

I believe I have some bad synchros.

 

[SRT This]

no..has nothing to do with grinding..it just feels like once i get 3/4 ways thru the shift it feels like i get a little tension...and i only does 1-2 and 3-4?

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

no..has nothing to do with grinding..it just feels like once i get 3/4 ways thru the shift it feels like i get a little tension...and i only does 1-2 and 3-4?

Does it feel like if you try to shift too fast, it'll grind?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Kind of notchy? How many hard miles are on that tranny?

 

[talon210]

If you are grinding while shifting into gears that can really only mean syncros are starting to go bad, typical problem with our transmissions after a lot of of miles or a lot of hard driving.

 

[SRT This]

There is NO grinding what so ever...

Ok im goin to explain this the best i could..This is my gear box(mind the shitty drawing skills), lets imagine the red things are like rubber bumpers, and the shifter is just a slight bit wider the the inner diameter of the bumpers. When I shift it feels like the shifter has to squeeze its way through the bumpers..The shift isnt catching, it doesnt actually stop in any point...and no there arent really red little bumpers under my shift boot...

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And there 64k original miles on the tranny

 

[TooFast]

I have a 98 Talon ES-i and feels the same way. Like there is a notch right before it gets fully engaged into gear. It has fooled me on more than one occasion. My talon has 95K on the clock.

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

There is NO grinding what so ever...

Ok im goin to explain this the best i could..This is my gear box(mind the shitty drawing skills), lets imagine the red things are like rubber bumpers, and the shifter is just a slight bit wider the the inner diameter of the bumpers. When I shift it feels like the shifter has to squeeze its way through the bumpers..The shift isnt catching, it doesnt actually stop in any point...and no there arent really red little bumpers under my shift boot...

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And there 64k original miles on the tranny

Does this happen when you shift slowly, or quickly? If you're shifting slowly and you feel that, does it feel like if you were gonna shift faster, it would grind? I'm not asking if it grinds, i'm asking if it feels like it might grind if you shift a bit quicker. I think what you're referring to is the fact that you can't just jam it into the gear cause it feels like there's something "catching" down there that lets the gear go in all the way. If that's the case, it's the synchros.

 

[93EclipseGSX]

you still arent making it clear to me what the problem is or what is exactly happening. can you try to word it better or be more clear? maybe im just dumb and cant understand the question.

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

you still arent making it clear to me what the problem is or what is exactly happening. can you try to word it better or be more clear? maybe im just dumb and cant understand the question.

I'm sure he's talking about the synchro's. It's that feeling you get when you go into a gear but you have to wait just a quick second before it completely goes in. SRT This, try shifting into the gear really quickly. I guarantee that you will more than likely grind.

 

[SRT This]

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Yes! Exactly, its like i have to wait just that extra second bofore it actually engages...Now being it only does it when im shifting in the bottoms gears (2&4)...should i replace the syncros for just those 2 gears?, or just have them all done at once....and ### am i looking at parts wise...Installation is free for me on anything

and yes it ha grind on me quit a few times, when i quick shift only though,and sorry about when i said there were NO grinds i thought every1 was saying in a normal shift....

But any ways THANKS!!

 

[Wells]

My 3rd gear syncro went out on my mustang. That was somewhere in the neighborhood of $1200, but that warrenty paided for itself on that one.

When it went out, it would grind everytime I shifted into third. It didn't matter if I shifted easy or hard ..

 

[theycallmedalgo]

Your synchros might be fine, before replacing anything I would follow the vfaq on shifter adjustement. It has made a world of difference on my laser and could probably help you out too. Also, adding the metal shifter bushings for the plate and cables along with some new tranny fluid could solve your problem.

Just my .02

 

[SRT This]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I had already planned on doing the Vfaq only because i can feel the jerking in my third gear, but only now im gonna do it asap..!

Thanks guys.

Do you think you guys can look at my other post i have up, and see if you have any word on that? Its the one that say"Clutch Grinds at Startup w/ 2 other Problems." I would really appreciate it.

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I had already planned on doing the Vfaq only because i can feel the jerking in my third gear, but only now im gonna do it asap..!

Thanks guys.

Do you think you guys can look at my other post i have up, and see if you have any word on that? Its the one that say"Clutch Grinds at Startup w/ 2 other Problems." I would really appreciate it.

Before you start fixing anything, a fluid change may let you go into gear a little faster. Also, make sure that when you shift, always let that synchro catch. If you keep trying to shift past the synchro, you will damage the gear itself. If you decide to replace the synchros, do all of them. It's not an easy job, so you'll wanna just do all of them and get it over with before the others get worse (and trust me, they will).

 

[SRT This]

Okay. Ill try the fluid change first. but s far as letting it catch..it always does catch, it never really serves as a problem. Its just more like an annoyance, besides i shift like a granny when i daily drive anyway...

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

Okay. Ill try the fluid change first. but s far as letting it catch..it always does catch, it never really serves as a problem. Its just more like an annoyance, besides i shift like a granny when i daily drive anyway...

As long as you're letting it catch and it doesn't grind at all when doing so, you should be fine. Every DSM i've driven was the same. Unless you plan on taking your car to the track, there's really no need to spend time changing synchros.

 

[SRT This]

Ok this may seem alittle wierd but, i just changed my shifter bushings with some ABEC 7's and for some reason it seems just a slight bit smoother...im not sure if it has anything to do with it but maybe im just feeling things...

 

[jongreene]

You're not feeling things, it really does make a difference. Nice and crisp eh?.....they are a key part to better shifting.

 

[SRT This]

Definatley, and its only gonna get crisper....i was only able to do 1 of the cables because it started to pour on my head..So tomarrow i will finish the other...

 

[TooFast]

I found this on another forum and was wondering if anybody had ever heard of doing this.


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Originally posted by green92gsx
I found for the shifter linkege underhood bushings you can use regular skate board bearings. Press them in the brass "eye" at the end of the cable and on to the lever. It fits perfectly!
You can also use the spacer in side of the skateboard wheel to shim the rest of the slack on the lever.
It makes for soild direct shifting. I feel it works better than the soild pieces because the bearing makes a smoother shift.
It's a free mod if you have a few old skateboards lying around.



Thanks for this tip!! I just finished installing the bearings. I ended up buying a pack of 8 for $10 because I couldn't find anyone selling packs of 4 (damn you Toys r Us and Kmart ).

Anyway, on to the install (Sorry, no pics I hope this install walkthrough/review makes up for that). Pretty straightforward. Removed the MAS, intake pipe, and associated vacuum lines. Pull the cotter pins on the shift cables and pop them off of the pegs, making sure to get the metal washers that will fall off (I reused these since I didn't have the spacers from the skateboard wheel).

I found using a pair of pliers with the tip bent 90 degrees removed the old rubber bushings easily (don't know what theyr'e called, just a random set I found in my grandfather's tools). The metal sleeve inside one of the bushings was bent out of shape, explaining why my 2-3 and 4-5 shifts were mushy. I was able to press one of the bearings in by hand, the other went in with a strong pair of pliers.

Put the cables back on the their respective pegs. I reused the original washer along with a pretty thick split washer to shim up any slack (not sure if completely necessary), and replaced the cotter pins. Reinstall everything else.

My test drive: I already had the Symborski kit, but doing this completely removed the rubbery feeling of a hard 2-3 shift. Gives it more of a slot like feeling. Two thumbs up!!

Once again, thanks for this tip, and sorry for the length, but I felt it was needed without pics.

 

[TooFast]

Where can I purchase some ABEC 7's? Also does anyone have experiance with Symborski Shifter Kit from http://www.machv.com/symshifkit1.html

 

[SRT This]

Where can I purchase some ABEC 7's? Also does anyone have experiance with Symborski Shifter Kit from http://www.machv.com/symshifkit1.html

ABEC 7's are skateboard bearings...you can get them at any skate shop..you can sometimes find them at your local Walmart or K-Mart. They come in all different brands, you will also see that the ABEC's are in different stages meaning ABEC 1, ABEC 2, I believe 7 is the top stage, the higher the number the faster the bearing will spin or "glide" thus giving a smoother shift...Give them a little shot of WD-40 B4 throwing them in and have fun shifting!...

 

[93EclipseGSX]

i think abec bearing are more expensive than the kit. and those parts arent supposed to spin or glide. they hold the shifter in place thus giving a tighter feel less movement = more percise shift.