buschur head build

[91'AWDFUN]

I am getting ready to get my head built. I was wondering if anyone had good or bad luck with buschur heads. I am looking into the stage 3 head. likes, dislikes just wondering?

 

[1cleanreddsm]

Wow, it'll be nice to get their stage three head build, it'll be a fully built head, but what kind of hp are you looking at that you need that head built?? Looks like your profile is still stock??

https://secure.buschurracing.com/ca...d=153&osCsid=3b0c1eb9395b8746c0988a4b5e41492f

 

[FastTSiAWD]

I agree, what's your HP goal?! I just received my Stage 3 at the beginning of the year from them. I'm in Afghanistan, but my builder says the head looks great And that's a lot of head if you're not going to have the supporting mods for it. IE: Everything else pretty much already upgraded

 

[91'AWDFUN]

i am wanting 400 to 500 hp. I am running a fp green turbo with all the goodies. just geting all the parts and putting it together. Is that stage over kill for that kind of power, I will have hks 272 cams as well. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

[FastTSiAWD]

Definitely overkill for your goals. I only went with their Stage 3 because I'm looking for 850+ at the wheels

For only 4-500whp, you'd be good with a stock head, with upgraded springs and cams

Now, if you're just wanting to go ahead and get it now, just in case you want more power down the road (we all do, you never have enough hp ) Then yeah, go ahead and pick it up.

But, if it'll be awhile, I'd say that $1,800 will be better spent on a lot of other things

 

[91'AWDFUN]

my goal is 600hp but right now With the turbo i dont think i can do that. I would love to have a gt35r but that wont be for awhile. I figured that If i got a good head then I wont have to worrie about taking it back off again when the bigger turbo comes. The way i figure is i might as well go big now so then later i dont have to redo it. If the head is off might as well go big. It is a work in progress. Are you happy with your head?

 

[FastTSiAWD]

We haven't gotten it installed yet. We're still waiting on my custom pistons to get back then have to start fab. work on a lot of things. My builder says it looks top notch though, and, it's from Buschur, so, you know it's good

Now, so you know, with that head, you'll have to get your blocked O-ringed also. (Machine work)

 

[standard235]

Do it. Buy now, regret later. Until you make that first pull. Regret, GONE.

 

[ExpresS]

Cam your stock head and buy the GT35R?

 

[crazyquik22023]

Buschur's head's are amazing.. I don't think the stage 3 is overkill.. If you have the money then I say go for. It's probably not necessary if your only going for the 400 whp range but I think it will be worth it either way.

 

[91'AWDFUN]

what do you mean by blocked o ringd?

 

[FastTSiAWD]

what do you mean by blocked o ringd?

The Stage 3 head from Buschur is O-ringed. So, you need to have your block machined for the o-ring. They'll machine a receiver groove around your combustion chamber. It makes a better seal when you're seeing high boost, and just a better seal all in all.

It's one of the reasons I say the Stage 3 is overkill for your goals. You can make good numbers on the stock head with upgraded springs/cams. IMO you only need an upgraded head when you've done all other supporting mods and you're looking to squeeze every last amount of hp you can out.

I still say it's overkill for you... unless you plan on making/building for HUGE numbers now, I would spend the money elsewhere on the car. Or, put it in savings for your "my DSM broke fund"

 

[daren_p]

For our cars there are much better places to spend money then a built head. For the amount it costs for some of the high end head builds you will see alot more hp gains vs $ spent with other upgrades. Unless your looking for huge power (which it doesn't sound like you are), the gains you see from head work will be minimal. Getting the head fully built is basically what I would do last if everything else has been done & you need to find a place to burn some money.

Stock head with good cams & springs will be more then enough for your goal. For example a good SMIM will cost a good deal less then a head build & give you alot more power.

IMO, unless your looking for 700+hp, the head would be the last thing I would be considering to build up.

 

[91'AWDFUN]

I am getting the head built cause mine is bad. I bent a valve or something, I figured since i have to have it replaced then I might as well get some work done to it. I might go stage 2 then save some money and put it else where. I just dont want this it happen again.

 

[daren_p]

I am getting the head built cause mine is bad. I bent a valve or something, I figured since i have to have it replaced then I might as well get some work done to it. I might go stage 2 then save some money and put it else where. I just dont want this it happen again.

I just looked up what they call a "stage 2" & according to their site, it really looks like you don't get much for $1200, that money could defently be better spent. Unless there's more to it then mentioned on their site, looks like you get some porting & polishing & SS valves. The gains you probably actually see from that work will be slim (ie if you drive the car before, swap the head & drive again, soubt you'll be able to actually feel a difference). Ontop of that they still use stock springs, which is defently an area you want to upgrade if your looking to run a decent cam.

Either just get a stock rebuild to fix your damaged head (porting & oversized valves, etc really won't see alot of performance gains on our cars). Or if you must get your head built, send it to Curt Brown (if you don't know who Curt is, goole or youtube him).

Cylinder Heads

As you can see for $150 more, you get a ton more stuff. It gives you some nice SS valves, bronze guides, porting plus the Kiggly Beehives (will work with basically any DSM cam & worth about $400 alone)

If you want to go the cheeper route, get the valves fixed, get a nice 3 angle valve job, deck the head, throw in some Kiggly beehives & call it a day.

 

[91'AWDFUN]

I want to get hks 264 cams is what I want. can stock head handle that?

 

[OneBad2L]

Stock head is easily fine with that. Listen to Darren if you get it rebuilt, Bucshur builds some great blocks but his head work is not that amazing.

 

[crazyquik22023]

Stock head is easily fine with that. Listen to Darren if you get it rebuilt, Bucshur builds some great blocks but his head work is not that amazing.

I beg to differ. Tell me what shop you think builds a better head than Buschur? I do agree a stock head will be just fine for the OP's setup.

 

[daren_p]

I want to get hks 264 cams is what I want. can stock head handle that?

HKS was a great cam & has been proven to go fast plenty of times in the past. But cam technology has changed alot in the past few years & you can get better cams then HKS for less money. I would not go HKS 264's for a 400-500 goal. I would atleast go with their 272's if you want to stick to HKS.

Personally I'd recommend FP or Kelford cams. As I mentioned a build head is not needed, but if you stick to the HKS 264's a built head is basically a complete waste of money as you won't be taking advantage of it at all.

 

[91'AWDFUN]

which fp cam would be good for that set up?

I always thought that hks was the top choice of cam selection?

 

[crazyquik22023]

which fp cam would be good for that set up?

I always thought that hks was the top choice of cam selection?

HKS was the top choice a few years ago before better cam designs came out.. I personally still run HKS 272's in my car and they are still a good cam but there are better ones that you can get for cheaper.

 

[FlossinTSi AWD]

Do it. Buy now, regret later. Until you make that first pull. Regret, GONE.

+1

 

[awddarrell]

FP Cams
Forced Performance Turbochargers: Engine

HKS Cams
HKS USA Camshafts

If you look the HKS cams are around a 100 dollars more and the FP cams are just as good if not better!
I personally will be running the stock cams and cam gears, with a HP goal of around 400 HP only thing i am up grading on my head is I am having a 3angle valve job done, I am going to upgrade to Manley springs.
Like said before you could save a little money and use it where it is really needed like in your fuel and management system, but if you have the $ to be throwing around DO IT!

Just some food for thought

 

[91'AWDFUN]

im thinking about just doing a mild head job now. not all out, saving money is good if I can.

 

[TSimage]

Curt Browns head build is the best deal PERIOD... If I didn't have $1200 into an intake manifold and another couple grand into a built 1g head already that is the exact route Id go with one of his 2G race heads..