Boost Controller

[Turbizmo]

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Ok CAN ANY ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHICH ONE IS THESE IS THE CORECT ONE "1" "2" "3" "4" or the one above me please =-(

 

[VelocitàPaola]

2...

Why was this so complicated? WTF

 

[Turbizmo]

2...

Why was this so complicated? WTF

Thanks it was complicated because i am kinda dumb but thanks

 

[Shadow98]

Thanks it was complicated because i am kinda dumb but thanks

I wouldn't say dumb, just not experianced with your set-up. But thats what we're here for, to ask, live, and learn.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Is that a joke?

 

[BigRand]

word up boi One question does it matter if the actuator flapper is open or closed ?

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[XMasta19]

This thread is quite hilarious...along with every other one he posts every other day z. Did you hook it up finally? Are we gonna get an update on what's wrong next?

...hopefully nothing

 

[Turbizmo]

One question does it matter if the actuator flapper is open or closed ? because i have mine all the way closed and since i setup the MBC the way it should be and i have it all the way to - negative and i am boosting more 10 that what i am assuming because when i am on 2 gear and i step on it a little it boostes 7 on the quickness when i am on 5 thousand rpms and i stop steping on it because of course i dont want to blow my engine so any ideas

 

[BigRand]

One question does it matter if the actuator flapper is open or closed ? because i have mine all the way closed and since i setup the MBC the way it should be and i have it all the way to - negative,

YOUR POST STOPPED MAKING SENSE RIGHT HERE

and i am boosting more 10 that what i am assuming because when i am on 2 gear and i step on it a little it boostes 7 on the quickness when i am on 5 thousand rpms and i stop steping on it because of course i dont want to blow my engine so any ideas

Just follow the diagram number 2 that you posted, then re read he instructions for your boost controller, if its still to high, then turn it down.

 

[XMasta19]

75% of the posts he makes are completely rediculous and confusing...I think he gets himself mixed up just trying to ask us stuff z. As stated, this is not a hard concept at all...if so, you need to do much more research or else your car deserves to be blown up.

 

[4UH8ERS]

I'm starting to think another member on this forum made up a new screen name and is doing this to try and be funny, because this is getting rediculous.

 

[Turbizmo]

I'm starting to think another member on this forum made up a new screen name and is doing this to try and be funny, because this is getting rediculous.

Ok you guys misunderstood me. Ok The "SWING Valve ACTUATOR" is all the way closed. which means without a MBC I will boost to its max potential. There for I bought the MBC so I can be able to to control my psi. I have the MBC setup the way everyone had told me but, Like I said the MBC its level is set to is minimum potential "-" there for I don't know whats wrong because I am boosting way to much and I really dont get why its doing that. My question was if it matters if the Swing Valve Actuator is open or closed so the MbC will function right .

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I sense a shred of sincerity, so I'll humor you...

You don't need an MBC to lower or control maximum boost levels. The wastegate will open at a certain minimum boost level... that is unadjustable for the purposes of your setup. An MBC is only used to raise the maximum boost level past that minimum set level.

As for the wastegate and actuator -- think of it as a NC (normally closed) switch. The fact that it's closed is a good thing. It should stay closed until it reaches the requires pressure for actuation.

One way to test whether or not it's working is by pressurizing the upper chamber with a bicycle bump and checking the actuator arm -- it should open.

I think you're over-complicating things. Try driving around with a single boost line from the compressor housing to the upper chamber of the wastegate. Leave the lower chamber open, and set the MBC aside for now. See what happens...

 

[Turbizmo]

I sense a shred of sincerity, so I'll humor you...

You don't need an MBC to lower or control maximum boost levels. The wastegate will open at a certain minimum boost level... that is unadjustable for the purposes of your setup. An MBC is only used to raise the maximum boost level past that minimum set level.

As for the wastegate and actuator -- think of it as a NC (normally closed) switch. The fact that it's closed is a good thing. It should stay closed until it reaches the requires pressure for actuation.

One way to test whether or not it's working is by pressurizing the upper chamber with a bicycle bump and checking the actuator arm -- it should open.

I think you're over-complicating things. Try driving around with a single boost line from the compressor housing to the upper chamber of the wastegate. Leave the lower chamber open, and set the MBC aside for now. See what happens...

So what you are telling me is to unplug the MBC and leave the Reference port open and just plug up the pressure port to the turbo housing. Ok I will do that today and see what happen

 

[XMasta19]

You're trying to do too much at once apparentely...what Paul has said is basically gonna have you run off of the wastegate preset boost level. You can add the mbc later on once you grasp this first concept, then realize hey I need to boost pressure to increase a little.

EDIT: Why are we still waiting for actual pics of your setup? I'm tired of A, B, C, or D microsoft paint exhibits.

 

[Turbizmo]

You're trying to do too much at once apparentely...what Paul has said is basically gonna have you run off of the wastegate preset boost level. You can add the mbc later on once you grasp this first concept, then realize hey I need to boost pressure to increase a little.

EDIT: Why are we still waiting for actual pics of your setup? I'm tired of A, B, C, or D microsoft paint exhibits.

I already know what setup i have to use for the MBC look and top and see what i am talking about WTF Well i did what Paul said I disconnected the MBC and I am boosting the same amount I was before the reference port is open and i only have the pressure port running to the turbo housing so what do i do since i am boosting way to much do i loosen the actuator flapper ? or what ?

 

[XMasta19]

Well what are you boosting at? By running off just the wastegate itself, you should only run what the wastegate is set to. Your actuator arm may be adjustable so that you can attempt to lower the boost a bit, or you may not have it hooked up correctly and it's never even opening and limiting at said boost amount.

What I was trying to say and in no way was being rude is that, you need to leave the boost controller out of the equation period. You first need to run just the wastegate and find out what exactly it's set to run at. Then and only then can you install the mbc, if and only if the boost pressure needs to be increased....because as previously stated, any boost controller is meant to raise the allowable pressure past the wastegate setting, but can NEVER lower the amount below what the wastegate is set to open at. This option can only be achieved by modifying your internal wastegate "if necessary".

Two examples of said wastegate modification:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211040
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181134

 

[Turbizmo]

Well what are you boosting at? By running off just the wastegate itself, you should only run what the wastegate is set to. Your actuator arm may be adjustable so that you can attempt to lower the boost a bit, or you may not have it hooked up correctly and it's never even opening and limiting at said boost amount.

What I was trying to say and in no way was being rude is that, you need to leave the boost controller out of the equation period. You first need to run just the wastegate and find out what exactly it's set to run at. Then and only then can you install the mbc, if and only if the boost pressure needs to be increased....because as previously stated, any boost controller is meant to raise the allowable pressure past the wastegate setting, but can NEVER lower the amount below what the wastegate is set to open at. This option can only be achieved by modifying your internal wastegate "if necessary".

Two examples of said wastegate modification:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211040
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181134

well before I had bought the boost controller i was boosting around 5 to 6 psi thats what the wastegate was set to do. But the actuator harm was half way open but know is all the way closed and i am boosting alot thats why i thought i should buy a boost controller so that it can be easy to adjust the psi but since i saw it does not work so in my own common sense i am going to open actuator arm so it just a little bit more open so i wont boost that much or what? any one knows how much it should be open or closed so i will get at least 7-8psi

 

[XMasta19]

You need to post pictures of your setup because I am still confused as to your reference of actuator arm being open. There is a bracket, and on that bracket is mounted a wastegate actuator. From that actuator, a rod coming from inside the diaphram. That rod goes to the turbine side where it is usually e-clipped to the flapper mechanism.

Flapper should always be closed at any time besides a boost level past wastegate setting. When boost reaches this setting, the diaphram in the wastegate actuator in turn pushes down against that rod aka actuator arm. This arm that is indeed connected to the flapper in the exhaust housing, thus pushes the flapper open and diverting exhaust gases and limiting boost buildup. The end hahaha.


I'm not sure how your wastegate used to limit boost to 6psi and now magically doesn't unless you broke something, modified somehow, or just have it hooked up incorrectly. Thus why a picture tells a thousand words. We'll help you get back to your original wastegate setting and you should just leave it at that until your engine is ready to handle the use of a mbc increasing boost pressures

 

[Turbizmo]

You need to post pictures of your setup because I am still confused as to your reference of actuator arm being open. There is a bracket, and on that bracket is mounted a wastegate actuator. From that actuator, a rod coming from inside the diaphram. That rod goes to the turbine side where it is usually e-clipped to the flapper mechanism.

Flapper should always be closed at any time besides a boost level past wastegate setting. When boost reaches this setting, the diaphram in the wastegate actuator in turn pushes down against that rod aka actuator arm. This arm that is indeed connected to the flapper in the exhaust housing, thus pushes the flapper open and diverting exhaust gases and limiting boost buildup. The end hahaha.


I'm not sure how your wastegate used to limit boost to 6psi and now magically doesn't unless you broke something, modified somehow, or just have it hooked up incorrectly. Thus why a picture tells a thousand words. We'll help you get back to your original wastegate setting and you should just leave it at that until your engine is ready to handle the use of a mbc increasing boost pressures

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[totaleclipse_05]

Oh gawd, he means an actual camera picture of your turbo, engine bay, etc. Not a MSPaint picture.

 

[XMasta19]

I'm gonna go crazy I think!

Honestly dude, how the heck do you expect an answer with all this nonsense you're posting? I can't take a stupid paint layout of your setup, and just magically pull a number outta my ass...ohhh, you need to have it adjusted 2.369" from the left to make perfect boost. I mean seriously, is that what you're really trying to get?


Post REAL pictures of your setup! Otherwise there's basically no more help we can give, since we've pretty much exhausted every option and you're apparentely still in la la land.

 

[4UH8ERS]

I'm gonna go crazy I think!

Honestly dude, how the heck do you expect an answer with all this nonsense you're posting? I can't take a stupid paint layout of your setup, and just magically pull a number outta my ass...ohhh, you need to have it adjusted 2.369" from the left to make perfect boost. I mean seriously, is that what you're really trying to get?


Post REAL pictures of your setup! Otherwise there's basically no more help we can give, since we've pretty much exhausted every option and you're apparentely still in la la land.

+1 real picture please.

p.s. please no paint diagram of your camera asking us what button you need to push to take the picture.

 

[Turbizmo]

+1 real picture please.

p.s. please no paint diagram of your camera asking us what button you need to push to take the picture.

ok ill take pictures today i just need to go get a camera