AWD to RWD thread, official [Merged 10-7]

[purplehazetsi]

please us the damn search from now on, i have been a member for about 3 months and i saw at leat 300 of these damn threads, if you want RWD get a musce car or a starion! these cars were made to work only to what they were made by the factory! im not saying they cant accept these transplants, but you should stick to what you got! why RWD sux in the snow! waist of money seriously buy a mustang or camaro or starion/conquest! good luck

 

[chris92]

I must say i am quite saddend that i have just read all of this. I am retaking my act's soon and feel i have lost quite a few points all ready from pondering why anyone would atempt such a crazy idea. I must say that a rwd would be cool but so would bill gates giving me the keys to his house, some things arnt just ment to be. All I ask is that some one puts a warning on the front of this thread stating that any fool who reads this will not only need tylenol to cure thier mind boggoling head ache but will permantly lose quite a few brain cells as well. Thanx. And good luck little laser. May your hard work and thousands of well spent dollers make those back little wheels spin.

 

[TsiTalon90]

My friends drive there cars very hard, one had a turbo coupe and the other has an automatic 96 dsm anyway, ive heard alot about you cant rev it high and dump the clutch, has anyone converted it to rear? how is it? is it worth it? my friends said it wouldnt be hard. Please give me some info.

thanks.

 

[DSMraver]

Originally posted by TsiTalon90
I've heard alot about you cant rev it high and dump the clutch, has anyone converted it to rear? how is it? is it worth it? my friends said it wouldnt be hard. Please give me some info.

You can rev the car to redline and launch the car, if you have the right combination of driveline parts. The stock 3-bolt axles will snap if you launch too hard. You can upgrade to a 4-bolt rear-end from the 92-94, upgrade your clutch, get a 4-spyder or welded center diff, and perform normal maintenance, and you shouldn't have too many problems.

However, I wouldn't go launching your car at redline from every light, or you'll get very familiar with the transmissino r&r procedure, VERY quickly.

Converting to RWD would be a complete waste of time. AWD is the best driveline layout for this car, and you'd need to do a lot of work to make it RWD. Not to mention that it would break the 3-bolt rear-end a LOT faster, since it would be handling 2x the power (50hp x 4 wheels, vs 100hp x 2 wheels) even if you are 100% stock.

 

[FastRthenU]

Not this subject again

 

[adidas_coin]

Ok guys once my 8th grade teacher told me there are no stupid questions! Well I might just prove her wrong this time!!! I was wondering if it was possible to turn my GSX into Rear-wheel-drive. The basic principle is there! But would you have to rotate the engine, use a Mitsu truck tranny or simply beaf up the rear end and drive shaft and eliminate the front CV's? Well if you know someone who has make it work or have any ideas let me know!!! Maybe my imagination is just to big for my own good! then again "MAYBE NOT"

 

[AWDGSXownsU]

awww screw that... that is too easy not using your imagination good enough. get a GSX, get a GST tranny and swap that engine in the rear. Mid Engine RWD Eclipse now that is using your head. should be just as easy as switching the motor sideways etc etc. Custom motor mounts, custom firewall, custom water cooled intercooler and coolant system, custom body work to cool the engine, custom hatch, etc etc.

NOW THATS USING YOUR NOGGIN !!!

Manny
92 GSX

 

[cait sith]

Your teacher was wrong.

 

[adidas_coin]

Originally posted by cait sith
Your teacher was wrong.

LMFAO!!!

Hey I get some crazy $hit in my head all the time, you guys just so happened to be around this time!

 

[nutshot]

I have put some serious thought into the mid-engined shyte, I have a 1979 Honduh Civic CVCC, and the thing came with a broken motor with a spare in the hatch. That go me thinking that you could cut the floor out of the rear, weld in the front subframe from an identical car, and run the rear with an auto. Of course, the rear seat becomes the fuel tank, and you would need a functional rear scoop for the radiator and intake, but those are more pure man-hours than labor intensive. This way, when driving the 5-speed front motor, the rear auto will match the vehicle speed but keep accelerating when you shift, and the motor/tranny weighs as much as 2 passengers. In the case of converting the AWD to RWD, it would be simple, but many of the benefits of RWD would be lost to the absence of traction with the 68/32 weight distribution. It is a good thought, but I think the MR layout is better in concept. Oh, you could technically convert the system to RWD by running the transfer case 50/50 and removing the front half-shafts.

 

[Dieselboy]

Contact Buschur, Im sure they'll tell ya how to make a 7.8 sec RWD DSM

 

[dawgedeclipse]

Originally posted by Dieselboy
Contact Buschur, Im sure they'll tell ya how to make a 7.8 sec RWD DSM

its possible to leave the motor the way it is and make it rwd, ive got the old rwd gsx vid on my computer, its quite interesting, but nothing i would play with IMO

 

[transdude]

Two words- "tube chassis" Those words reek of testosterone don't they?

 

[transdude]

Two words- "tube chassis" Those words reek of testosterone don't they?

 

[NOSNUSE]

just wondering are you also looking for piston return springs for an rx-7?

 

[umiami80]

I had a RWD talon for a Month, I snapped my Spyder gears and ALL of my power was going to the rear wheels, I could do burnouts and #### like that, had it fixed since.

 

[crazeinc]

Yea, I don't see why it wouldn't work if you had an AWD, disabled the front wheel drive part, and put a beefy rear end in it to handle the power.

 

[Nomad666]

Originally posted by crazeinc
Yea, I don't see why it wouldn't work if you had an AWD, disabled the front wheel drive part, and put a beefy rear end in it to handle the power.

Could this guys idea work? If it can what kinda parts would u need to beef up the rear?

 

[JayHass]

Why on God's green earth would you want to take the AWD system, disable the front transaxle and make it RWD.

There is absolutely no advantages and only disadvantages such as putting the entire load from the engine now on the rear diff, axles and driveshaft.

 

[GreenNuggs]

Originally posted by adidas_coin
Ok guys once my 8th grade teacher told me there are no stupid questions! Well I might just prove her wrong this time!!! I was wondering if it was possible to turn my GSX into Rear-wheel-drive. The basic principle is there! But would you have to rotate the engine, use a Mitsu truck tranny or simply beaf up the rear end and drive shaft and eliminate the front CV's? Well if you know someone who has make it work or have any ideas let me know!!! Maybe my imagination is just to big for my own good! then again "MAYBE NOT"

I don't know. The only stupid questions are those that have been asked (and answered) before.

 

[95OrangeRS]

Originally posted by JayHass
Why on God's green earth would you want to take the AWD system, disable the front transaxle and make it RWD.

There is absolutely no advantages and only disadvantages such as putting the entire load from the engine now on the rear diff, axles and driveshaft.

The advantage is reduced parasitic drag, esp at higher speeds (already enjoyed by GSTs), while making the vehicle entirely more fun to drive.

If there is a way to remove more than the half shafts (to reduce weight), the front biased weight distribution issue can be helped, though that may be impossible given the integrated nature of the AWD system. I also belive that in the late 90s dodge made a concept car using the rear half of the awd system from the talon, so it may be able to handle the power. If not, you may have to get imaginative with beefing everything up, especially if you are going to be putting non-stock hp through it.

Remeber, if there is a will there is a way!!!

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by 95OrangeRS


The advantage is reduced parasitic drag, esp at higher speeds (already enjoyed by GSTs), while making the vehicle entirely more fun to drive.

Dan Cokic from Pruven Performance lost 10whp going from FWD to AWD and that was making over 500whp. I watched it with my own eyes when he got his AWD dyno up and running.

The AWD loss is not as much as people make it out to be. My STOCK GSX in as it sat for several years without being driven, on a 103K mile tune put down 169whp to all four. That's pretty strong, and an indicator that the drivetrain loses are minimal.

Personally I think a RWD DSM is stupid with no advantages at all. But that's just me I guess.

 

[1_bar_goes_far]

I think it would be fun to be doing burnouts for a change since I can hardly break all four lose but for a few feet. But you could have some fun doing dounts in fields. But for the trouble I would just leave it awd.

 

[GRNDSM]

Dan certainly would have earned more points in the "gross display of power" portion of USC competition if he would disconnect two of his drive wheels .

Aside from doing burnouts and dyno testing on 2WD dyno, this is a pretty useless feature. Still, I am surprised that Dan did not have switchable JDM transfer case. That and a welded VC, would have done the trick

>The advantage is reduced parasitic drag,

No-where near as much drag as you think it is…

>esp at higher speeds (already enjoyed by GSTs), while making
>the vehicle entirely more fun to drive.

Clearly, you haven’t driven a powerful FWD vehicle… They are not much fun unless they have HUGE slicks.

Leon
RR

 

[95OrangeRS]

Originally posted by GRNDSM
>The advantage is reduced parasitic drag,

No-where near as much drag as you think it is…

>esp at higher speeds (already enjoyed by GSTs), while making
>the vehicle entirely more fun to drive.

Clearly, you haven’t driven a powerful FWD vehicle… They are not much fun unless they have HUGE slicks.

Leon
RR [/B]

Well, I guess I stand corrected, I've always been lead to believe that driving 4 wheels produced more friction than driving 2. I thought that all the extra rotating bits, additional friction from everything not nesseccary for RWD operation would rob horsepower. I guess that the 4x4s with hub disconnects, (for 4x2 operation on the street) don't know what they were talking about after all.

I meant the rwd would be much more fun. The most powerfull FWD cars I have been able to drive are the 255hp Infinity I35s. After driving those, I am well versed in the art of being able to change lanes with the throttle, and the inablilty of all season tires to keep their hold on the road at WOT, or even 2/3s.